TRUVADA: Why are we ALL not taking this???!!!!

So, I had heard about PEP (post exposure prophylactic) to combat transmission of HIV, but I had always assumed it was a fail safe akin to the morning after pill for pregnancy that had serious side effects, wasn't nearly 100% effective, and was not covered by insurance. Low and behold, the FDA has approved a drug commonly used to treat HIV infected patients for HIV PREVENTION. The fact that every LGBT forum, newspaper, etc. is not broadcasting this from the hill tops is truly insane to me. The fact that the mainstream media has not reported this at all sickens me as it is just another example of everyone turning a blind eye to the AIDS genocide of the last 30 yrs. Read the posted article. Some of the statements in it are utterly ridiculous.

http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2013...prep?page=full

Genocide?!!!!!!

it has potentially really bad long term effects on the liver if used by healthy people ... also its not 100% efective its in medical reports has been stated potentially 90% effective ...

There has been talk of this on some industry forums for the adult sector... again its such a new drug and the possible side effects to liver damage are pretty significant ..

I had a chat with the medical clinic i get tested at and they have a huge wing that deals with HIV specifically. and they advised the risk to liver damage for someone say like an adult model to use this for say 7- 10 years is fairly significiant ..

Myself fuck that ... I would rather just keep on testing and wrap up ..

Nothing has made me consider getting Obamacare until this. This is a human rights issue. No more, no less. Every gay man, transsexual, and trans lover should be told to go on this drug immediately.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Nothing has made me consider getting Obamacare until this. This is a human rights issue. No more, no less. Every gay man, transsexual, and trans lover should be told to go on this drug immediately.

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Or we could employ a little bit of commonsense and take some personal responsibility for our lives! :shrug

^ How is this NOT doing that??? Half of all men who have sex with men will become HIV positive by the time they are fifty if current rates continue. We have plateaued in our efforts to combat this endemic disease through condoms. Let's live in reality. I'm not saying that we should go back to the utter hedonism of the 70's (yet), but the reality is that people WILL be careless and not use a condom every time. So, why not have this extra safety net?

Do you run into the problem of using a prophylatic where the virus (also an evolutionary creature after all) develops a super strain to combat the med

Akin to the lessening effect of antibiotics for staph infection, etc

I was laid up in the hospital two years ago with staph infection. One of the reason my doctor said the antibiotics worked so well for me was because I hadn't had a scrip since I was in grade school.

I know people who take antibiotics for seasonal allergy. Doctors give them out like candy.

Or is this comparison (truvada v. antibiotic tolerance) apples and oranges.

Just guessing with my comment

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Originally Posted by Torris

Do you run into the problem of using a prophylatic where the virus (also an evolutionary creature after all) develops a super strain to combat the med

Akin to the lessening effect of antibiotics for staph infection, etc

I was laid up in the hospital two years ago with staph infection. One of the reason my doctor said the antibiotics worked so well for me was because I hadn't had a scrip since I was in grade school.

I know people who take antibiotics for seasonal allergy. Doctors give them out like candy.

Or is this comparison (truvada v. antibiotic tolerance) apples and oranges.

Just guessing with my comment

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All of the articles I've read breach this issue. Basically, if you use this like a party drug (i..e you only take it after a night of vigorous barebacking and drugs) then a resistant strain is possible. Used correctly, this isn't going to happen.

All of the articles I've read breach this issue. Basically, if you use this like a party drug (i..e you only take it after a night of vigorous barebacking and drugs) then a resistant strain is possible. Used correctly, this isn't going to happen.
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Absolutely right. In my case after they put me on two oral antibiotics as opposed to the IV I had in ICU every single doctor and pharmacist was adamant I take every pill for both scrips no matter how well I was feeling.

So to your point: can sex workers be prescribed truvada in perpetuity by their doctors? What are the limits of such a program?

^ That is EXACTLY what some doctors are doing. Sex workers, men who have sex with men, IV drug users, transsexuals......ALL are groups disproportionately infected with HIV year after year. All should go on Truvada. Think of it as a birth control pill for the anally inclined.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Half of all men who have sex with men will become HIV positive by the time they are fifty if current rates continue.

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Great statistic.
Got any others you can pull out of your arse?

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Let's live in reality. I'm not saying that we should go back to the utter hedonism of the 70's (yet), but the reality is that people WILL be careless and not use a condom every time.

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But, we should trust them to take a pill everyday?
Yeah, good luck with that.

^ That stat was pulled from the CDC. Not my ass. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/epi...tes-continue-w


You present a circular argument. You're saying we shouldn't trust gay men to take a pill every day. Gay men DON'T always use condoms and NEVER will. So, what would you have them do exactly? And are we also to believe that hundreds of millions of women are capable of taking a pill every day to prevent pregnancy (pills that often have harsher side effects than truvada), but a man is incapable of taking a pill every day to prevent something that will KILL him????

This all just focused on HIV what about:

"There is also validity to fears about “barebacking.” Even if PrEP protects against HIV, condomless sex still invites other STDs. Some, like syphilis, gonorrhea, and herpes, are fairly easily treatable. But in recent years, there have been outbreaks among HIV-positive men of sexually transmitted hepatitis C, for which treatment is improving but still difficult, expensive, and imperfect. In certain parts of the world, such as Japan and India, a new antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea has rung alarm bells of a new STD epidemic. Simply put, nobody knows what new infections lie in wait down the road."

Also Truvada does not stop you being infected with HIV, you still get infected, Truvada only stops it spreading but as soon as you miss a tablet or stop taking them the virus which is their in your system will spread.

"that’s an approach called pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP. PrEP means taking a daily pill (brand name, Truvada) for months or years. This keeps medication in your body to keep HIV from making copies of itself and spreading infection through your body anytime you are exposed"

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Nothing has made me consider getting Obamacare until this. This is a human rights issue. No more, no less. Every gay man, transsexual, and trans lover should be told to go on this drug immediately.

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What kind of idiot are you? TOLD to take something? You say human rights and then say that? Shut the fuck up. Let people MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS. I'm not about to destroy my liver just so I can not wear a condom..FUCK THAT.

I can make up statistics too : 100% of people reading your posts think you're a moron. SEE? Though mine is probably a bit closer to realistic...

And it is FAR easier to forget a pill than it is to forget to wear a condom.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^ That stat was pulled from the CDC. Not my ass. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/epi...tes-continue-w


You present a circular argument. You're saying we shouldn't trust gay men to take a pill every day. Gay men DON'T always use condoms and NEVER will. So, what would you have them do exactly? And are we also to believe that hundreds of millions of women are capable of taking a pill every day to prevent pregnancy (pills that often have harsher side effects than truvada), but a man is incapable of taking a pill every day to prevent something that will KILL him????

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NO ONE ALWAYS uses condoms,it's not a gay issue,it's a people issue.Not every woman takes their pill everyday either, I have plenty of exes to prove that,and plenty of stories from others to prove it too. Just the fact that you WANT to go back to absolute hedonism,with everything going around,everything happening to people,is disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Jericho

Great statistic.
Got any others you can pull out of your arse?



But, we should trust them to take a pill everyday?
Yeah, good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by RobynBlakeTS

This all just focused on HIV what about:

"There is also validity to fears about “barebacking.” Even if PrEP protects against HIV, condomless sex still invites other STDs. Some, like syphilis, gonorrhea, and herpes, are fairly easily treatable. But in recent years, there have been outbreaks among HIV-positive men of sexually transmitted hepatitis C, for which treatment is improving but still difficult, expensive, and imperfect. In certain parts of the world, such as Japan and India, a new antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea has rung alarm bells of a new STD epidemic. Simply put, nobody knows what new infections lie in wait down the road."

Also Truvada does not stop you being infected with HIV, you still get infected, Truvada only stops it spreading but as soon as you miss a tablet or stop taking them the virus which is their in your system will spread.

"that’s an approach called pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP. PrEP means taking a daily pill (brand name, Truvada) for months or years. This keeps medication in your body to keep HIV from making copies of itself and spreading infection through your body anytime you are exposed"

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Wrong wrong wrong wrong. TRUVADA PREVENTS INFECTION. PERIOD. The virus doesn't lurk inside your body waiting for you to miss a pill.

As for making up statistics, any stat I have mentioned has come from the CDC or some other reputable agency or study. Google Truvada and you will see article after article about. It's a miracle drug. Plain and simple. It also has no effect on your liver, sir. Not sure where you dug that one up.

As for being TOLD to do something, would you object to people being TOLD to be vaccinated if we had an HIV vaccine? You just said, wear a condom. The only reason you are doing that is because you have been TOLD to do that for 30 years now, because it was the only way to prevent HIV infection. Guess what? It's not anymore!

From http://www.truvada.com/hiv-treatment:

TRUVADA can cause serious side effects:
Too much lactic acid in your blood (lactic acidosis), which is a serious medical emergency. Symptoms of lactic acidosis include weakness or being more tired than usual, unusual muscle pain, being short of breath or fast breathing, nausea, vomiting, stomach-area pain, cold or blue hands and feet, feeling dizzy or lightheaded, and/or fast or abnormal heartbeats.
Serious liver problems. Your liver may become large and tender, and you may develop fat in your liver. Symptoms of liver problems include your skin or the white part of your eyes turns yellow, dark “tea-colored” urine, light-colored stools, loss of appetite for several days or longer, nausea, and/or stomach-area pain.
You may be more likely to get lactic acidosis or serious liver problems if you are female, very overweight (obese), or have been taking TRUVADA for a long time. In some cases, these serious conditions have led to death. Call your healthcare provider right away if you have any symptoms of these conditions.
Worsening of hepatitis B (HBV) infection. If you also have HBV and take TRUVADA, your hepatitis may become worse if you stop taking TRUVADA. Do not stop taking TRUVADA without first talking to your healthcare provider. If your healthcare provider tells you to stop taking TRUVADA, they will need to watch you closely for several months to monitor your health. TRUVADA is not approved for the treatment of HBV


And more:

Serious side effects of TRUVADA may also include:
New or worsening kidney problems, including kidney failure. Your healthcare provider may do blood tests to check your kidneys before and during treatment with TRUVADA. If you develop kidney problems, your healthcare provider may tell you to take TRUVADA less often, or to stop taking TRUVADA.
Bone problems, including bone pain or bones getting soft or thin, which may lead to fractures. Your healthcare provider may do tests to check your bones.
Changes in body fat can happen in people taking HIV-1 medicines.
Changes in your immune system. If you have HIV-1 infection and start taking HIV-1 medicines, your immune system may get stronger and begin to fight infections. This may cause minor symptoms such as fever, but can also lead to serious problems. Tell your healthcare provider if you have any new symptoms after you start taking TRUVADA.

The most common side effects of TRUVADA are:
In people taking TRUVADA with other HIV-1 medicines to treat HIV-1 infection, common side effects include: diarrhea, nausea, tiredness, headache, dizziness, depression, problems sleeping, abnormal dreams, and rash.
In people taking TRUVADA to reduce the risk of getting HIV-1 infection, common side effects include: headache, stomach-area (abdomen) pain, and decreased weight.
Tell your healthcare provider if you have any side effects that bother you or don’t go away.

It does have potential damage to your liver .. go check again, or better still go speak to a certified board professional that has done the research on the clinical trials ... The clinic i visit every 2weeks has a vast array of info on this treatment etc .... it is a heavy drug that can have some serious long term issues on your liver .. increased liver size/. spotting etc .. not saying all people will get that ,but its hardly a Risk Free Drug ... more fool any person that think it is and pumps this shit into their body for 10years etc .. come back in 10 years an see what state your liver maybe in or may not ..

Myself personally I would not stick something else into my system that can affect my liver just like my hormones are doing slowly over time as well .. I would rather use common sense and only have sex with tested people and wear protection ...

Lets see how this drug performs over the next 5 years before we all start branding the miracle cure ..

Should we be aware of this drug, absolutely, but not as an alternative to safe sex and testing. I had a condom break on me whilst abroad about 6 years ago and so the next day went to a local clinic and was prescribed a 30 day course to reduce (not stop) the likelihood of any infection I was told about 90% if taken with 24 hrs of exposure.

Well all I know is my test 3 months later was negative (but probably would have been anyway) but the 30 days I took the drug for I felt sick and nauseous a side effect of the drug and not something i would ever want to take again

Also you keep ignoring all the other risks of barebacking, all the STD's that you would be open to getting such as:

Warts, Herpes, Hepatitis, Chlamydia, Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, etc

All drugs have side effects. Thanks for pointing out the liver concerns, I was unaware.

^The nausea, from what I've read is not common to everyone, and usually goes away after a few weeks. Also, let's stop confusing Truvada with PEP. They are not necessarily interchangeable. Truvada should be taken every day. PEP (which truvada is a part of) is often more harsh and invasive.

If everyone starts taking this now, we can make HIV a rarity within a generation

Condoms are not effective against warts or herpes. All the other STI's are easily transmitted orally as well. If you think anyone but sex workers cover their cocks when being sucked then you are truly delusional

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

All drugs have side effects. Thanks for pointing out the liver concerns, I was unaware.

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But you said you've done lots of research on this? this was on the own drugs website.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Condoms are not effective against warts or herpes. All the other STI's are easily transmitted orally as well. If you think anyone but sex workers cover their cocks when being sucked then you are truly delusional

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Condoms are effective against warts and herpes. Its proved fact that they reduce the risk, as such viruses are passed from skin to skin contact. Yes there is a risk with oral but actual sex the risk can be reduced by use of condoms.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

All drugs have side effects. Thanks for pointing out the liver concerns, I was unaware.

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Oh wait, you were unaware?

You'd think one of those many cdc reports you'd read when you were gathering your statistics would have mentioned that!

I just don't see what the issue is here. If this drug came out 20 years ago, there would be a line around the block. However, something that can save lives is being pushed into the closet and not talked about because of everyone's moralist garbage.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

I just don't see what the issue is here. If this drug came out 20 years ago, there would be a line around the block. However, something that can save lives is being pushed into the closet and not talked about because of everyone's moralist garbage.

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There wouldn't of been a issue if people had practiced safe sex 20 years ago instead of being hedonistic and selfish and thinking they didn't need condoms due to no threat of pregnancy.

^??? Are you talking about the 70's or the 80's or the 90's?

If you are referring to the gay culture of the 70's, you are ridiculous. Were they supposed to predict a previously unheard of virus???? You sound like Larry Kramer, who even before AIDS was saying the wages of gay sin is death

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Originally Posted by RobynBlakeTS

Also you keep ignoring all the other risks of barebacking, all the STD's that you would be open to getting such as:

Warts, Herpes, Hepatitis, Chlamydia, Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, etc

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A porn industry study claims 25% of actors/actresses have gonorrhea or chlamydia. The numbers are higher, I'd bet, elsewhere in the skin trade.


Why risk it, right?

^To work in porn in Los Angeles, you must get rigorously tested. All performers should go on Truvada immediately

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^??? Are you talking about the 70's or the 80's or the 90's?

If you are referring to the gay culture of the 70's, you are ridiculous. Were they supposed to predict a previously unheard of virus???? You sound like Larry Kramer, who even before AIDS was saying the wages of gay sin is death

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No they weren't but there was plenty of already established diseases about that they should of cared about.

^ All of which were curable with a shot or a pill. I just don't see what the point is of judging people who lived and died 30 years ago. It has no relevance to what is in front of us right now: the best option ever for reducing the continued spread of HIV.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^ All of which were curable with a shot or a pill. I just don't see what the point is of judging people who lived and died 30 years ago. It has no relevance to what is in front of us right now: the best option ever for reducing the continued spread of HIV.

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No herpes and warts are not curable. The point is peoples actions have responsibilities and consequences. The people back then were of the same selfish attitudes of you and that allowed the HIV epidemic of the 80's and 90's as a result of their me me me and my pleasure attitude.

Well, then by all means, let's all stop fucking, stop driving cars, stop eating GMO's, stop eating meat, stop eating sugar, etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Well, then by all means, let's all stop fucking, stop driving cars, stop eating GMO's, stop eating meat, stop eating sugar, etc. etc.

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Well that's a childish reply:

Lets have safe sex
Lets encourage government and business to invest in integrated transport network and clean emission cars
Lets cut are sugar and meat intake for environmental and health reasons

Its called social and civic duty and responsibility. Its about being something more then you are, instead of a selfish irresponsible slave to your base emotions.

^ I agree with all of that. Why can't a pill that is proven to prevent the transmission of a deadly at worst, costly at best disease be part of the discussion too instead of dismissed?

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^ I agree with all of that. Why can't a pill that is proven to prevent the transmission of a deadly at worst, costly at best disease be part of the discussion too instead of dismissed?

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Because it has serious health side effects and doesn't help prevent other STD's as I have mentioned before.

^ So do the following: smoking, eating American sized portions at every meal, driving, etc. But if there was a pill that came along and prevented lung cancer would it not be front page news??? See my point?

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^ So do the following: smoking, eating American sized portions at every meal, driving, etc. But if there was a pill that came along and prevented lung cancer would it not be front page news??? See my point?

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Last time I checked they don't help spread STD's. I understand your point about the news completely and agree about that aspect. The issue, is people such as yourself though see such a pill as a right and endorsement to go bareback left right and centre because it prevents HIV but you don't stop to think and consider all the other STD's you put yourself at risk for and also that you and others like you will help spread it and cause an epidemic of those STD's.

People are skeptical for several reasons. You have on many occasions misstated health risks associated with sexual activity, including when you said that it is impossible to contract HIV as long as you are the insertive partner. Second, it sounds like an excuse to be reckless and engage in riskier sexual behaviors, which again, given the source of this information (someone who advocates bareback sex and routinely downplays the risk associated with it) is a sound assumption. Finally, the long-term risks of fda approved drugs are not known for decades. So it is not without cost even if the exact nature of that cost is not now known.

By all means take the drug, but not everyone is going to get prescription medication so they can have unprotected sex with anonymous partners.

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Originally Posted by RobynBlakeTS

Last time I checked they don't help spread STD's. I understand your point about the news completely and agree about that aspect. The issue, is people such as yourself though see such a pill as a right and endorsement to go bareback left right and centre because it prevents HIV but you don't stop to think and consider all the other STD's you put yourself at risk for and also that you and others like you will help spread it and cause an epidemic of those STD's.

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I think you've fabricated this position for him. I just read all of his posts in this thread and don't see that he's advocating any such thing.