Why are so many STR8 men attracted to preop TS??

I know for some guys their sexuality was fluid to begin with and TS women just fit into the mix.

But before tgirls I was just a random straight Black man; 100% firm believer in vagina, never touched another dick besides my own. Never had a desire to do so. Borderline homophobic.

Until my head got opened up by TS women.:salad

Now I'm a full blown chaser/admirer/lover of ts chicks, and if I had more opportunity to date casually trans-women IRL I could see myself in a LTR with one.

It's hard for me to believe it's a latent repressed attraction because what man knew about TS....until he KNEW??

I've done everything sexually with a TS except get fucked, and always crave to do everything over again, but if you'd told be 8 years ago I'd ever 69 with a preop TS or beg her to cum while she's stroking off in the missionary, I would've laughed in your face because I knew you were crazy.

Just like to hear some theories about how a normal straight dude gets from there to here.

Or is all this just a minor quirk of bi/heterosexual attraction???

Not confused, just curious.

This isn't an 'am I gay' question twist, because I don't know of any gay men who in their 30s discover they have a wild lust for preop TS men or GG pussy.

Or is it some as of yet unknown rule of attraction that TS women and hetero men are made for each other??

Worth a read if you haven't already:
I am a trans woman. My sisters are trans women. We are not secrets. We are not shameful. We are worthy of respect, desire, and love. As there are many kinds of women, there are many kinds of men, and many men desire many kinds of women, trans women are amongst these women. And let’s be clear: Trans women are women.
http://janetmock.com/2013/09/12/men-...-women-stigma/

Men are visually stimulated. That's why photographic porn is as big as it is. It's why women wear revealing clothing and high heels - they want to attract men. Transwomen seem to know this better than natal women; I believe they have a better sense of how to be alluring to men. And even the straightest man will fall for long eyelashes and a full decolletage, despite the extra part.

There are many things that can answer this question ... but for me one of the main things that attracts me is that many of the Pre Op TS's are actually more Beautiful that GG's ... they take more pride in their appearence and their behavior too.
They Dress well, make themselves up and are so much more appealing etc etc .... well thats just my viewpoint :)

In my 20's I had a girlfriend that loved to pay "extra" attention to my butt. Later in life I had another who did the same. With the second one I started to like it.
Progress to GG with Strap On-----
Progress to TS with the REAL thing
Simple-
Natural progression?
Works for me-

Who say they str8 lol

If you include TS ladies it increases the pool of broads for you to put your wiener inside of.

Its simple straight men are attracted to women. TS are women, I just never got when people think if you like TS then you must be gay. Many assume its just the penis to why you are attracted. Sad shame. Its the whole package, unless your are bi or gay (and you may have different reasons for the attraction), the main reason you are attracted is because they are sexy women.

^^ what my brother from another mother said!

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

...Just like to hear some theories about how a normal straight dude gets from there to here.

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I sometimes wonder about that same thing as well. Like you, I don't consider myself gay or even bi curious. In fact, the idea of sex w/ a man is so repulsive to me I don't even see how women can do it.
Yet here I am, fantasizing about Vicki Richter and drooling over Joanna Jet.
I think for me, not to get all Freudian about it, it may have something to do w/ my preference for strong women. As a client in the pay for play situations, I found myself being drawn to the Dominant Mistress types, figuring if I'm paying for it I may as well go for something more exotic and less vanilla. And there's nothing more exotic and powerful than a woman wielding a nice big dick. I've also had a coupla girlfriends who've enjoyed utilizing the strapon in their amorous activities so in the interest of doing my best to please my partner I got over any initial trepidation I may have had about it. The way I look at it, dicks are okay, Hell, I've got one and I like it a lot and I like using it, so why shouldn't they?
So I guess the logical extension of a woman w/ a strapon would be a woman w/ an actual flesh and bone cock. I spose that's what my own fascination w/ pre-op TS stems from.
A great many are pretty much dudes w/ store bought boobs and a wig, but then there's the Barbie Woods and the Khloe Harts and hoo boy, they just melt me.
Bottom line I just sorta stopped wondering why and just go with it because what's a po boy to do? If it feels good, do it.

I blame my attraction to ts on my porn addiction. Once I started watching I couldn't stop.

There are so many reasons why straight guys would be attracted to TS girls. It varies for each situation. For me, I stumbled across Tranny porn when I was merely 13. I think of my lust and attraction to Tgirls as a fire. Through high school that fire and desire for Tgirls was in me, but it was a small, minute fire. My attraction to GG's was much stronger than that fire in those times. I loved genetic women, and I didn't even think of them as "Genetic" those were the only women I knew in those times. I loved pussy and I was attracted to females, I was like your average teen back then. I used to occasionally rub one out to tranny porn every now and then and I would immediately feel horrible afterwards. I had to be extremely horny to even watch Tranny porn. Somehow over time, that fire inside of me that represents my attraction to TS started to grow stronger. And it kept growing stronger, and now im in my early 20s and it still continues to grow. It has completely engulfed me at this point. Most of the time I don't even look at chicks on the street anymore. The little things that used to turn me on about genetic females do nothing for me now. The other day I was thinking in my mind "Damn, Pussy is so disgusting. Thank God I don't have to deal with that nasty shit anymore." Then I thought to myself like "Wow, have I really changed this much?".

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.

I just love women, all kinds.

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Originally Posted by lifeisfiction

Its simple straight men are attracted to women. TS are women

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I don't see how a straight guy could see a photo of Jessica Versace and not think she is damn fine! Now, maybe he might only be interested in vaginal intercourse and uninterested in actual sex but a lot of transwomen are just amazing beauties and it is not surprising a straight guy would find them attractive. No way a straight guy who sees a hot transwoman walking down the street does not check her out.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.

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You nailed it. I'm just trying to understand how a guy goes from all in for the pussy to years later going down on a TS and craving the sensation of stretching her ass out.

It's an odd journey.

Do 60-70% of trans-attracted men want to bottom? I dunno. I've heard escorts say the number's extremely high among clients, but for TS in relationships is it still the same??

I know I went through a period when I realized from a women's climax point of view, most GG porn is fake. The women go through the motions moaning and groaning, then pretend to cum before the male costar busts over her face/ass/boobs.

There's no confusion whether or not a trans-woman has an orgasm, which really intrigued me in the beginning.:geek:

Maybe trans-attracted men have a more inclusive view of femininity and find the androgyny inherent in TS appealing??

I really have no clue how I got to where I am, but I'm glad that I'm here.:fuckin:

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Originally Posted by nysprod

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.

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:Bowdown: Good overview , those numbers sound right to me , just curious as to where you got them.

I'm with nysprod- who said they're straight?

I don't know- I don't even know for myself- frankly, I don't even care.

This isn't an "am I gay" thread. It's a "I'm not gay, you're not gay" thread.

But tits alone don't make it straight. And not all of them (in my experience) are the hyper-feminine juggernauts we're idealizing.

Plenty of girls devoid of feminine charm seem to get a lot of love, as king as their dick is big enough.

Idealizing, objectifying, whatever you want to call it- it comes down to the penis. And when that's gone, most interest fades.


Ooh, idea: A year from now, let's take a look at all the vagina-based Kimber threads.

Well for one I would love to try sucking cock but I am not at all attracted to men. Now a smooth, soft, nice smelling girl with a cock... umm yea I would try.

Second I have been pegged by a GG with a strap on and really liked it. I would love to see what it feels like with a real cock but again I am not at all attracted to men.

To date all of this is fantasy as I have never been with a Transgendered woman.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.

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I think 2 is confusing. What % of "bottoms" don't want to bottom? What was the sample size, and how many bottoms v vers responded?

For 1, it should say "to a man, all claim that they were never attracted to other men." We can't assess the veracity of their statements. C'mon, not a single one of you had any homosexual urges? Highly dubious. Oh, yeah, you're repulsed.

For 3- I'm willing to bet that's true. A lot of guys say they never do it but I bet they just don't want to think of themselves as cocksuckers.

Cock attached to a man? Guilt attached to the attraction.

Cock attached to a TS? The argument can be made....

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Originally Posted by Flaco

The other day I was thinking in my mind "Damn, Pussy is so disgusting. Thank God I don't have to deal with that nasty shit anymore." Then I thought to myself like "Wow, have I really changed this much?".

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Walk into the light.

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Originally Posted by Tapatio

I'm with nysprod- who said they're straight?

I don't know- I don't even know for myself- frankly, I don't even care.

This isn't an "am I gay" thread. It's a "I'm not gay, you're not gay" thread.

But tits alone don't make it straight. And not all of them (in my experience) are the hyper-feminine juggernauts we're idealizing.

Plenty of girls devoid of feminine charm seem to get a lot of love, as king as their dick is big enough.

Idealizing, objectifying, whatever you want to call it- it comes down to the penis. And when that's gone, most interest fades.


Ooh, idea: A year from now, let's take a look at all the vagina-based Kimber threads.

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Interest in a TS might fade once she becomes postop, but the interest in pussy doesn't for guys like myself. I still fuck GG and enjoy it, but my attraction to TS is greater.

You can call me a fag/gay whatever for liking TS, but that wasn't the discussion.

It was about why is the attraction there in the first place??

I knew someone would step up and say the attraction by so called straight men to TS is more about latent homosexuality and TS' obvious cock, but unless I was in a committed relationship with a TS who had SRS, given a choice I'm choosing GG pussy over TS pussy in most situations(Gia excluded.)

Don't project why you feel the way you do onto others. Just like the guys who were into pegging before they discovered TS, that's their experience and journey and their personal truth about why they find TS attractive.

It's still different from mine.

Using your argument, if all trans-attracted men are latent homos, then all TS are gay men in denial.

Don't bring that nonsense in this thread.

If guys were only attracted to 'wigs on a football' packing the biggest cock, Sean really needs to change his business model.

I think most of us are past looking for the appropriate label for being a trans-attracted man.

I'm just attracted to a beautiful woman. Don't really care what's between the legs. There's plenty of T-Girls out there who can put GG's to shame, and if they gave me the chance I would be all over it.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Interest in a TS might fade once she becomes postop, but the interest in pussy doesn't for guys like myself. I still fuck GG and enjoy it, but my attraction to TS is greater.

You can call me a fag/gay whatever for liking TS, but that wasn't the discussion.

It was about why is the attraction there in the first place??

I knew someone would step up and say the attraction by so called straight men to TS is more about latent homosexuality and TS' obvious cock, but unless I was in a committed relationship with a TS who had SRS, given a choice I'm choosing GG pussy over TS pussy in most situations(Gia excluded.)

Don't project why you feel the way you do onto others. Just like the guys who were into pegging before they discovered TS, that's their experience and journey and their personal truth about why they find TS attractive.

It's still different from mine.

Using your argument, if all trans-attracted men are latent homos, then all TS are gay men in denial.

Don't bring that nonsense in this thread.

If guys were only attracted to 'wigs on a football' packing the biggest cock, Sean really needs to change his business model.

I think most of us are past looking for the appropriate label for being a trans-attracted man.

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Oh goodness, I wasn't talking about everybody. I don't know "all" trans attracted men and wouldn't dream of speaking for them anyway.

I'm certainly not projecting. I'm honest with myself, and don't need to in order to be OK with myself.

And I certainly wasn't putting a label on you.

The nonsense I brought into this thread was an opposing viewpoint, an alternate option.

I won't insult you further.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

You nailed it. I'm just trying to understand how a guy goes from all in for the pussy to years later going down on a TS and craving the sensation of stretching her ass out.

It's an odd journey.

Do 60-70% of trans-attracted men want to bottom? I dunno. I've heard escorts say the number's extremely high among clients, but for TS in relationships is it still the same??

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Yeah, that's a fascinating question to me, and it has nothing to do with any of the "am i gay" bullshit...I'm simply amazed at how that works since it happened to me that way.

60% to 70% is based on several polls I've seen here regarding what guys want to see in TS porn, and guys getting topped is definitely the majority choice. But men who are into TS women who identify as top only are the minority. Curiously, although men are very into lesbian porn, TS on TS remains the least popular category.

TS women in relationships? IMO that remains a very rare phenomenon.

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Originally Posted by sukumvit boy

:Bowdown: Good overview , those numbers sound right to me , just curious as to where you got them.

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See above...also, in reading the various escort review threads the talk is all about bottoming.

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Originally Posted by Tapatio

I'm with nysprod- who said they're straight

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That was a joke I put lol after it.

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I think 2 is confusing. What % of "bottoms" don't want to bottom? What was the sample size, and how many bottoms v vers responded?

For 1, it should say "to a man, all claim that they were never attracted to other men." We can't assess the veracity of their statements. C'mon, not a single one of you had any homosexual urges? Highly dubious. Oh, yeah, you're repulsed.

For 3- I'm willing to bet that's true. A lot of guys say they never do it but I bet they just don't want to think of themselves as cocksuckers.

Cock attached to a man? Guilt attached to the attraction.

Cock attached to a TS? The argument can be made....

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You're confused, I didn't say there's a percentage of bottoms that don't want to bottom, that makes no sense.

No gay men switch from men to TS women, it's all heteros that do...homosexual urges...possible...but again, men who identify as gay finding an attraction to TS women at some point later in life does not happen.

No guys say they don't go down on TS women although some may choose to remain silent...but every guy who is active gives head whether he admits it or not and those who are not active want to.

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Originally Posted by MyersJ85

I'm just attracted to a beautiful woman. Don't really care what's between the legs. There's plenty of T-Girls out there who can put GG's to shame, and if they gave me the chance I would be all over it.

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This is a form of denial...it's absurd to think there's a guy who doesn't care about what's between the legs...guys think about what's between the legs on an extremely frequent basis...we're obsessed about what's between the legs.

What difference does it make?? (Well, that excuse worked for Hillary!)

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Originally Posted by nysprod

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.





You're confused, I didn't say there's a percentage of bottoms that don't want to bottom, that makes no sense.



This is a form of denial...it's absurd to think there's a guy who doesn't care about what's between the legs...guys think about what's between the legs on an extremely frequent basis...we're obsessed about what's between the legs.

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And I quote: 2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only. The statement assumes a poll in which versatile and bottom only guys responded.

Why the fuck would you put bottom only guys in that poll? Their answer is "yes." (My "% of bottoms who don't want to bottom" comment was poking at this.). Self identifying "tops" would be more meaningful. Which brings us to the other corrupting factors- sample size and number of bottom only guys in the group.

I believe that statistic to be confused.

I'm with you on the rest. Cock, denial, etc.

Somewhere between 60% and 70% of guys want to bottom and it could actually be higher, but it will not be lower...within that group there are men who identify either as vers or bottom only...I suspect out of that group a strong majority will identify as vers because men into TS women identify as straight and straight men generally want to put their dick into something at some point.

I consider myself 100% STR8. love women love pussy love tits and love gorgeous faces, and yes i admit i am homophobic but i feel there are many reasons atleast why str8 men/ im attracted to ts women. here they are

1) attraction to something unique. some1 posted here a youtube video on why men are attracted to shemales, and because its out of the norm. kinda like when u mix blue and red to get purple. it "shudnt be" that way yet we /I cant keep my eyes off it. its the architecture of mixing 2 things we know and creating something beautiful unique and out of this world!

2) i realized/ saw gorgeous ts women who were hotter and prettier than the majority of girls i went to school/college with.

3) to all men the sight of a penis isnt that disturbing cuz well we all have one. but to see a penis on a gorgeous girl who never in a million years u wud have guessed she was born a male.... now that attracts us

4) we dont percieve/view ts cock as a male body part but a part of a woman's body, cuz if we did that wud make us gay!

I like the ladies, some of them just happen to have a penis. So what?

My story is like a lot of you guys. First became aware of TG ladies from day time talk shows in my teens and early 20's, later porn, escorts, hook ups, then real relationships.

At first it was only full breasted girls, later I started to appreciate girls in earlier stages of transition. Then I opened up to part time and trap type girls.

A very conservative homophobic upbringing probably contributed to my early navel gazing about what does this make me??? stuff so I am a little more sympathetic to guys with those am I gay? issues than some.

But after a while I just decided it doesn't matter. Since I really really enjoy sucking TG cock and being topped and watching a girls cock flop and dribble while I am topping, Pat Robinson would probably say I'm gay. But I like to think I matured to the point that I don't care what Pat or anybody else labels me.

There's a lot involved, but hey, it's whatever turns you on.

I think sometimes too much attention is wasted wondering. If people felt like their decision evoked no real opinion either way, we would all live a much happier world.

Us males are basic, simple and honest! We see a pretty face and we are aroused!!
How we went from there to here is an odd thing...I don't know!
I was on a generic porn site, thought it was MFF scene and it wasn't!! 1 fella and 2 beautiful ts girls with pretty big packages and watched the whole 20 minutes or so!

We see the photos and videos and now that's all we want to see or variations thereof. We search for these beauties and fantasise over them, and our demand of what was a small niche is huge now! thank goodness!!

thought...why is a gorgeous girls cock so much more attractive??

Alfred Lord..ours is not to reason why..

Tennyson...lol....finish the quote "ours is but to do and die." errrrrrr

ahh ok my bad! I googled that one, not that up on my literature :Bowdown:

Good topic. I think it's a process for a lot of guys. The femininity of a TS attracts self identifying straight guys initially. When they find out she has a cock, there's a crisis because they feel they shouldn't be lusting after anyone with a penis. The girl however is so damn hot they make an exception. Then they find out there's a lot of beautiful women with cocks and it's like discovering girls all over again.

For me, I used to try to block out the cock every time I looked at a pre op TS. As time went on I realized I really did like seeing it.

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Then they find out there's a lot of beautiful women with cocks and it's like discovering girls all over again.

For me, I used to try to block out the cock every time I looked at a pre op TS. As time went on I realized I really did like seeing it.

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+1. Agreed.

Men who are into MTF transsexuals are attracted to the feminine form and remain attracted to that...but as far as being attracted to pre-op girls specifically, the majority of guys who are into the TS scene want to bottom and pretty much all guys into the TS scene want to give head...obviously, post-ops can't do that.

"For me, I used to try to block out the cock every time I looked at a pre op TS. As time went on I realized I really did like seeing it."-]boner

Same here I never noticed cocks at all, before I started enjoying TG ladies. I was surprised how are as different as fingerprints.

I went from seeing to touching, something really erotic about caressing a woman's cock. Soon I sucked my first one (just prepping her to enter me I meekly told myself) I was hooked. The textures, aromas and taste, the power of pleasuring someone so intimately, I get as or more turned on by sucking than she does. It is probably not too far off to say its an addition now.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Men who are into MTF transsexuals are attracted to the feminine form and remain attracted to that...but as far as being attracted to pre-op girls specifically, the majority of guys who are into the TS scene want to bottom and pretty much all guys into the TS scene want to give head...obviously, post-ops can't do that.

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What percentage of exclusively gay men do you believe are bottoms by preference??

The 'majority of guys' into TS are bottoms just seems high to me, but I have no clue. By majority do you mean 51% or 75+%??

I have a hard time believing there's a higher percentage of men into TS who prefer to be topped than strictly gay men who are bottoms.

For me it's simple. I like to know when my partner has an orgasm. I have always been attracted to women and I see TG/TS as women, sometimes very aggressive women but hey that's ok. At first it was a matter of pushing my limits but now it's my nature. Started out as a top but now I'm vers. Never thought about giving a blow job when I was young but really enjoy it now.

In my mind it's not the genitalia that make you a man or a women it's the personality, characteristics, and disposition. I can't comment on post ops as I have never been with one but would certainly give it a try if the right situation arose.

I do know that I am not attracted to men or TG Men. Does nothing for me up to this point. However if my feelings where to change I would likely give that a try as well. With age comes wisdom. It's been my observation that people who really enjoy sex tend to dabble in the non-conventional. It's a rare event when I hear my friends who are stuck in the status quo rave about how hot their sex was. On the contrary, I have been in LTR's with TG women and the sex remained exciting throughout the entire time we were together. Can't say the same was true with most of my GG relationships.

Guess it's not that simple of an answer but it's an honest account of my feelings.