Michael Hastings, Journalist and American Hero Dies at 33:
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Michael Hastings, Journalist and American Hero Dies at 33:
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Michael Hastings and The War on Journalism:
Michael Hastings and The War on Journalism - YouTube
A good journalist. Hardly a hero.
He was a good journalist, but how was he hardly a hero? He challenged the government, he did investigative journalism, when you do that the government does not like you, most of the "main stream" media doesn't like him because he hurt their friends(the government). He was talking about the spying on US citizens before Snowden leaked the info, he got a top US General removed from command because he was incompetent, that to me is the definition of a journalist hero. He actually did his job and when you are a journalist if the people you are reporting on like you you are not doing it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
So that makes him a good or even excellent journalist. But it is for me still a curious definition of hero. Plenty of journalists I know are brave souls who report regularly from war zones at great risk to their lives. Some I have known have been killed. That is closer to the heroic in my book
And for that matter Snowden is a greater hero. He risked everything - and must now hide or face prison. This journalist, good as he was, risked little.
Yes Snowden is a bigger hero and Michael Hastings sent most of his career as far as I know in Afghanistan and Iraq. He was a hero for the fact that he died in the line of duty, doing his job. He was doing it so good that the FBI was investigating him although they deny that. Any other journalist that dies ie: Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, or any one else would be considered heroes if they die in another country or in a storm. Although they did not come close to what Hastings reported, and how much the press and the establishment hated him for it. He never gave up he was always on the attack not one step back that in my view and many others is a hero.
Sorry if that doesn't make scents it is time for bed and am starting to really dry eyes, been on the computer for far too long.
Well, except how crazy fishy the journalists death is.... like, crazy crazy fishy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
He sends out emails about working on something big and warning his friends to be aware of government looking into them.... then he ends up dead a couple hours later in a freak "accident" at 4:30am in hollywood (where his car "accidentally" accelerated to crazy speeds and blew up... happens all the time right?).
Like, really, it is sooo fishy you would think it was taken out of a movie ~_~
Alex Jones has noted this.... I don't know. I mean, it could've just been speeding:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbiteyes
Breaking! Michael Hastings Was Running From Feds - YouTube
Snowden's no hero.Quote:
Originally Posted by volkov2006
He sounds more and more like someone who wanted his moment of fame from the get go..only to escape through countries whose track records of personal privacy (and human rights) are more dismal than the country he's trying to expose.
He's a criminal.
Snowden did break the law yes, but he did it in order to let the American people that the government was spying on us. They have 4 programs 2 that look at phones and 2 that look at the internet. Two only look at metadata that tells what number called what number and what sites are being visited. The other 2 are collecting the details, what is said, what is typed(even if you never send it, it tracks keystrokes), and who is doing it. That is warrantless wiretapping, and is stating that we are all guilty of something unless proven innocent. Which if I am not mistaken goes against the US Justice code. This also infringes on the 1st and 4th amendment. So who is the bigger criminal here Snowden for letting us know or the government for spying on us?Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
You can not sacrifice freedoms for security. How many terrorist plots has this stopped, Boston, the Times Square car bomb attempt, the underwear bomber? The Times Square one was stopped because someone reported his activities and we got a warrant for taping his things.
Also Snowden probably went to those places because he knew the US could not bully them into giving him back. Also would you have liked him to have stayed and received the Bradley Manning treatment, 3 years in prison, 9 months of solitary confinement, and just now going to trial, for releasing only classified(NOT TOP SECRET) information to let the American people know what was being done in there name. Yet Geraldo can say on his program US troop positions in Afghanistan, and Bob Woodward can write a book that Osama Bin Laden said on many occasions that anyone who is against the US should read because of the info was good for attacks.
And at the same time Director of National Intelligence James Clapper can lie to a committee saying that the US government does not spy on the US people in March I think and is not charged with purgry.
going off on a tangent here..Snowden...not Geraldo or WoodwardQuote:
Originally Posted by volkov2006
Do you also think that Daniel Ellsberg should not have been considered a hero? He and with Anthony Russo, leaked the Pentagon Papers, a secret account of the Vietnam War and its pretexts to The New York Times, which revealed endemic practices of deception by previous administrations, and contributed to the erosion of public support for the war. They are both whistleblowers. What they want to charge Snowden with is treason which is punishable by death, that goes against the first amendment. Whistleblower laws state that is you release information that helps the general public without causing harm to the US as a whole you can not be charged with a crime. Snowden regardless if you consider him a hero or not a patriot or a traitor he is a whisleblower and should receive the same as every other citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
Yes he ran if he did not he may not have even gotten a trial with the NDAA, which give the government the authority to indefinably detain anyone with out even being charged with anything. He put everything on the line to help the American people how does that not make him a hero, regardless of whether he is cleared or convicted his life is destroyed and the American people now know what their government is up to.
Also Benjamin Franklin said "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." was he full of crap? Also the more freedoms we sacrifice the more we resemble these countries we claim to hate. And before anyone yells at me I am going to say something that no one wants to hear the terrorist have already won, the government is now starting to harm its own people.
Also Snowden has yet to harm the US where as Geraldo revealed troop positions in a combat zone live that is broadcast to the world how does that not hurt us? Bin Laden also said the Woodward's book helped him so how did that not hurt the US? Name one thins Snowden has done that has harmed the US?
Also if you don't know anything about Bradly Manning you should find out.
http://iam.bradleymanning.org/
hummm orQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Cars Can Be Hacked Easily, Says Top Counter-Terrorism Officer - YouTube
NO Snowden is NOT a criminal. He is a patriotic guy who has exposed the snooping carried on against the American people (and their allies) by your intelligence agencies. The fact that Russia, Venezuela et are offering him sanctuary is really a shame - but where else can he go?
I don't want to belabor the point, that's not what this thread is for- so this will be the last I say in this thread (there is a thread for this already in the political section)....but, at the very least, Snowden stole property. Last time I checked - stealing is a crime. Committing a crime makes one a criminal. It's kind of one of the definitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
So.., in your heart he may be a hero, or a patriot, or a freedom fighter or a masked avenger.
but he's also a criminal.
Snowden isn't a patriotic guy. He only became a contractor to snoop around and steal documents from the NSA. He then runs to countries that would benefit from any disclosures about operations against them. He additionally shows classified documents to one country's newspapers showing NSA operations against the newspaper's country even though everybody knows that country is doing the same thing against the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Some people including you are forgetting (or, dont' care?) he didn't just leak information about domestic spying.
He said nothing they already knew, unless you think that these countries are to stupid to think that we are not spying or hacking them.Quote:
Originally Posted by notdrunk
How is he not a patriot, he released info to us that helped the people of the US that the government is taking our freedoms in the form of the First and Fourth amendments. He also showed that the government was lying for years to the public and under oath. Yes he is a criminal and should face justice but he should not be considered a political prisoner that the government is calling him now. Also there is NO evidence that he told them anything, and who has been hurt, I have not seen any terrorist attacks, we have not been hacked since this came out, no one has declared war on us, and no one has attacked us.
Also Russia is our ALLY, even if we disagree about things we are allies. China does not need to actually attack us to cause damage whether it is cyber or physical, they can just stop our imports and in one week we would collapse. So I think we should worry more about other things rather than what he may or may not have told ONE of our enemies and ONE of our ALLIES.
Actually, he has other documents that he hasn't released. He released some documents to the newspapers but they wouldn't publish them due to national security. He showed documents that laid out specifics about NSA ops against China. No Chinese documents have been released that are similar. The Chinese economy would be hit badly if they stopped imports to the US. Russia isn't our ally. No reason to explain it because it is commonly known.Quote:
Originally Posted by volkov2006
He may or may not have these documents, but the question is has he released them yet, he probably has not released them because they are a bargaining chip for him. And if they were for China specifically he probably did it to show us the hypocrisy of the US government for condemning other countries for cyber attacks when we do the exact same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by notdrunk
Our economy would be destroyed if China stopped imports to the US how much do we get from China, and how much do we get from other countries. Could we replace the 50% or so total imports we get from China within the span of a week probably not. China on the other hand ships to many other countries than the US so yes their economy will suffer but not as much as ours. Also they would just set a due date for the loans we have gotten for them, how will that affect our economy?
How is Russia not our ally, are we at war? No. Are we currently at each others necks? No. And Syria does not count that is Russia's ally they are defending them, and we are trying to defend our ally Israel. If we are not enemies, and are not at war then at least we are friends, even if we are on other sides of an issue. Britain, France, Germany, and Japan are our allies and our friends but we don't always see eye to eye. Pakistan is our ally and how do we treat them buy using drones to kill their civilian populace. So even if we are not allies with Russia we are their friend and whatever anyone else says they should be considered a form of ally. And if any one wants to not be their friend or ally, and would rather be their enemy they are touched in the head, they are still a super power and their army is still a force to be weary about.
And apologies to the OP for inadvertently highjacking this thread to a great man, and a great journalist. May he Rest in Peace.
No, he believes in a delusional fantasy that the boogieman aka US Government is going to kill him. It isn't hypocrisy that the NSA is cyber attacking various organizations. They already admitted that they do:Quote:
Originally Posted by volkov2006
http://www.scmagazine.com/china-behi...rticle/219054/
How did they know about Chinese universities engaged in cyber spying? The NSA had to access those computers.Quote:
The National Security Agency (NSA) is claiming a dozen groups connected to China's People's Liberation Army and six nonmilitary groups connected to universities are largely behind cyber spying campaigns
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rwar/?page=all
Even Obama admitted that we are engaged in offensive cyber warfare:Quote:
The electronic spying and code-breaking agency provided a rare public look at its views on cyberwarfare by releasing this month redacted copies of its internal newsletter, which show that NSA has been engaged in cyberwarfare for more than a decade.
http://epic.org/privacy/cybersecurit...-FactSheet.pdf
Difference is that Snowden laid out that specifics of our operations. This possibly allows the Chinese to change their security protocols. While, the Chinese will continue to hack various computers for their gains.
Actually, the United States is the number one destination for Chinese products. No country comes close. So, it would be suicide for them stop sending their imports to the United States. It is MAD but economic instead of nuclear.
Russia is just there. It isn't an exactly an ally or enemy similar to the Soviet Union. Our relationship with Western European and Japan is a lot stronger than with Russia. Russia has its goals and the United States has its goals. The goals tend to clash more so than allies of the United States.
But Snowden has not sold or told anything to anyone, an escort with him says that he has no money, if he sold info why does he not have money?Quote:
Originally Posted by notdrunk
But I think we are getting away from the big picture, not who or what Snowden did or did not do, but the information that the US government is spying on the public. It goes against the 4th amendment, and now people are calling for Glenn Greenwald to be tried as an aider and abetter to Snowden for reporting this story which goes against the 1st amendment. Whether the government says it is legal or not all these people calling gun control is going against the 2nd amendment but are in favor of these unconstitutional things which are much worse than any of the gun control things ever were.
Also as I said before the government is instituting a new justice system that says you are guilty until proven innocent, what is right with that statement? They say that they are not looking at the content of these things but they also said just a month ago that they don't do these programs, why should we believe them now, this is an organization whose main job is to lie. And the argument that if you have nothing to hide so it is okay is completely missing the point, everyone has something to hide. Also they are just storing this info for when someone does something wrong, and if you think they won't just look up what happened during the Occupy protests, and Eliot Spitzer. Eliot Spitzer was the governor of New York he went after the big banks when they were committing fraud that collapsed our economy, what did the friends of the banks do they went into his past an found out that he visited a prostitute and killed his career with that. So they are not going to not miss use this info to attack their political enemies, whether they be in government or just outspoken about the government.
How is this a democracy anymore if the people do not control the government but instead the government control the people?
I don't really care what Snowden did or did not do in his past or in the future, or what these countries may do with it, if Snowden didn't tell them I am pretty sure that they would have figured it out one way or another if they did not already know. We need to look at the big picture not the character assassination of the person that released the info from the people who are in bed with the government rather than checking to make sure that the government is not going out of control.
Well, Daniel Ellsberg broke the law, Rosa Parks broke the law, Nelson Mandela broke the law, Martin King Jr. broke the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
I mean, if you've done any illicit narcotic in your life you've broken the law. How many millions of Americans have broken marijuana laws? How many millions of men have broken prostitution laws?
I don't believe either prostitution or drug use should be criminalized. Drugs are a health issue. Not a criminal issue.
Actually, take, say, zoos. Why are zoos not illegal/banned? I mean, to me, anyway, they're quite disgusting. They're about abducting, forcibly confining animals. They're about putting animals in prisons.
Well, they're legal because money can be made.
The act of JAYWALKING is a crime. How many people have broken that law???? :)
Point is: who makes the laws and why do they look the way they do....
Daniel Ellsberg addressed Snowden fleeing, as it were. He pointed out: it's a different country now. When Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers, well, he was out on bail.
Snowden might've -- and probably would have -- been treated much like Brad Manning. Essentially: tortured.
Snowden could -- and should -- be charged with theft.
I agree with that.
I mean, he broke the law, much like Manning, to expose bigger crimes, state crimes.
But, as Glenn Greenwald pointed out, awhile ago, we've been inculcated or taught to believe that politicians are above the law.