Political Correctness Has Missed Transgender?

As someone who really dislikes political correctness yet is very keen on transsexuals I find society seems to pander, include and promote every kind of minority. The media seems to be a driving force for highlighting and attempting to tackle every 'ism' it can possibly think of. Yet trans people seem to get completely ignored!

Every soap seems to have over its quota of ethnic minorities. And gays are being forced down every straight guys throats kissing on tv. Yet the only attempt they seem to make on putting a transsexual on tv is Hayley in Coronation street. This, a character who in their wisdom they decided to have played by a very ugly genetic woman. Am I the only one who finds this offensive? To me the equivalent would be to decide you want a black guy portrayed but the picking a white guy because he's got huge lips and just 'blacking' him up. The ignorant public's image of a transsexual is of a trucker in drag and in this character they have just played into the stereotype.

Will we ever actually see a attractive transsexual on our tv screens portraying a decent character? Or is society just not ready for this yet?

Candis Cayne

I think you are wrong on Hayley as she is probably closer in looks to most transexuals, particularly post-ops, and in that aspect I think it is hugely important precisely because she bucks the assumed role that transexuals are given with its associations of porn, prostitution and drugs. If there were to be an attractive transexual in a soap it would raise all sorts of problems about desire, and not just among the men. It would possibly be a distraction at first until, if the character is in for a good spell, the character falls victim to the usual routine in soap opera of affairs, lying, scheming, alcohol abuse etc. I don't think its about not being ready, it marks out the problem society has with a sexuality that it is both vivacious and threatening, and anyway who wants another version of the 'am i Gay?' theme which is what it would probably end up as. There was a transexual who won Big Brother in the UK, but ultimately it is about talent, and that may be another area where transexuals are lacking.

Ahh so transsexuals shouldn't be just as attractive a gg woman to protect the precious fragile straight male loll
The only way ts woman will be fully accepted in society as woman is to show that they are no different than woman and that there's nothing wrong with treating/viewing them accordingly

Sayng that about Hayley from Corrie ,no wonder why they chossed an lets say not ugly thats rude .lets say untractive woman for the transgender role its because if they choose a good looking one it will gonna end up in so many controversy and not only the guys might be tempted to be more intrested in Ts girl and thats not good for sopposed straight world..All they do its put alot of gays in the soaps not that affects me but the only thing they promote on soaps its gay relanthionships and nothing related to transexualism.

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

Ahh so transsexuals shouldn't be just as attractive a gg woman to protect the precious fragile straight male loll
The only way ts woman will be fully accepted in society as woman is to show that they are no different than woman and that there's nothing wrong with treating/viewing them accordingly

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Well said.

I think if we are going to use media like tv as more than just entertainment, but also as a way of challenging societies discrimination, it needs to actually challenge stereotypes, and also educate. There's no doubt there are now a lot of very attractive transsexuals out there, but if you were an alien sat on another planet, who, to get a reflection on our society was going to study television and film, you would not know they exist.

I know that thats a ridiculous notion, but I can't think of many other life style choices which are so ignored by television.

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Originally Posted by fire.starterman

I think if we are going to use media like tv as more than just entertainment, but also as a way of challenging societies discrimination, it needs to actually challenge stereotypes, and also educate. There's no doubt there are now a lot of very attractive transsexuals out there, but if you were an alien sat on another planet, who, to get a reflection on our society was going to study television and film, you would not know they exist.

I know that thats a ridiculous notion, but I can't think of many other life style choices which are so ignored by television.

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Yes they ignore so many things,that people become so confused and so wrong informed by Media ,that then they dont really know ,what to belleve,learn or see.

Let me put it another way. Name me transsexuals who are well known in popular culture other than being porn stars. In the whole of television why haven't we got just one attractive young transsexual news reader, or weather girl, presenter, fashion expert, celeb chef etc etc?

If your a young gorgeous transsexual the only opinions are porn star.

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Originally Posted by Stavros

ultimately it is about talent, and that may be another area where transexuals are lacking.

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Yahoo. There is one simple reason why so few trans actresses (or actors) break through into mainstream, and that reason is prejudice. Kinda like the above.

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

Yahoo. There is one simple reason why so few trans actresses (or actors) break through into mainstream, and that reason is prejudice. Kinda like the above.

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Exactly! But why does it seem to be ignored?

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Originally Posted by fire.starterman

Let me put it another way. Name me transsexuals who are well known in popular culture other than being porn stars. In the whole of television why haven't we got just one attractive young transsexual news reader, or weather girl, presenter, fashion expert, celeb chef etc etc?

If your a young gorgeous transsexual the only opinions are porn star.

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Dana International from israel its well Known as a singer and she won Eurovision song contest with the song Diva in 1998.

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Originally Posted by tsadriana

Dana International from israel its well Known as a singer and she won Eurovision song contest with the song Diva in 1998.

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Ok, bit we're clutching at straws aren't we. If I said the same question but switch transsexuals for gay males and you can't switch on a tv program for seeing them on your screen. The ratio of people I know in my life who are gay to that of people I view on tv who are gay is totally unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by fire.starterman

Let me put it another way. Name me transsexuals who are well known in popular culture other than being porn stars. In the whole of television why haven't we got just one attractive young transsexual news reader, or weather girl, presenter, fashion expert, celeb chef etc etc?

If your a young gorgeous transsexual the only opinions are porn star.

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There's quite a number of mainstream fashion models who are trans, (which kinda zaps the lack of talent BS, unless you think any numpty can be a great model, in which case...I have nothing further to say). Maybe photographers, art directors and fashion designers are just less stuck in the mud than BBC producers.

Never. Ya think?

This is all about prejudice. I am no fan of 'Political Correctness' insofar as it is used to obscure and obfuscate, but I am very much in favour of people getting a fair deal, and being able to get as far as their talents and abilities will take them, without favour or prejudice.

And transsexuals don't get treated that way. It's that simple.

The Transsexual Bond Girl who played in the Bond movie For your eyes only ...she was the most stunningly woman from there.
http://magazine.xaxii.net/wp-content...res/447619.png

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Originally Posted by fire.starterman

Ok, bit we're clutching at straws aren't we. If I said the same question but switch transsexuals for gay males and you can't switch on a tv program for seeing them on your screen. The ratio of people I know in my life who are gay to that of people I view on tv who are gay is totally unbalanced.

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You're right and I am not disagreeing with you BTW.

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Originally Posted by tsadriana

The Transsexual Bond Girl who played in the Bond movie For your eyes only ...she was the most stunningly woman from there.
http://magazine.xaxii.net/wp-content...res/447619.png

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Was Tula Cossey. She walked from one side of a swimming pool to another. I have so much time for Tula you wouldn't believe but she hardly bucked the trend--and anyway was in stealth at the time

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

Was Tula Cossey. She walked from one side of a swimming pool to another. I have so much time for Tula you wouldn't believe but she hardly bucked the trend--and anyway was in stealth at the time

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I dont know if you remember ,but no one knew she was a Ts WHEN THE MOVIE bOND WAS MADE,THEY FIND OUT ONLY AFTER AND SHE HAD ALOT OF DIFICULT HARD TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT.

The very talented and sorely missed Robert Palmer used Tula in this 80s vid...and he knew exactly what he was doing


The Power Station - Some Like It Hot - YouTube

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Originally Posted by tsadriana

I dont know if you remember ,but no one knew she was a Ts WHEN THE MOVIE bOND WAS MADE,THEY FIND OUT ONLY AFTER AND SHE HAD ALOT OF DIFICULT HARD TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT.

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PMSL Sorry Adriana, you must be joking, or you weren't there. It must have been the worst-kept secret of all time LOL. Trust me, to say 'no-one knew' Tula was trans...sorry you are so wrong there.

In any case, if 'no-one knew' she was trans, then she wasn't bucking the trend, as I said...The point is that transwomen who are openly trans do not get a fair deal.

And BTW re my previous, I apologise, obviously you weren't there, you're far too young.

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

PMSL Sorry Adriana, you must be joking, or you weren't there. It must have been the worst-kept secret of all time LOL. Trust me, to say 'no-one knew' Tula was trans...sorry you are so wrong there.

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Its what i have read on google darling .....

This is what i took from Wilkypedia now.
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Tula was cast as an extra in the 1981 James Bond film For Your Eyes Only. Shortly after the film’s release, the tabloid News of the World came out with a front page headline that read "James Bond Girl Was a Boy." By her own accounts, Tula was so upset she contemplated suicide. However, she continued her modelling career.[2] Tula responded by releasing I Am a Woman, her first autobiography.[4]

I'm not gonna be happy until I see allanah star presenting my daily football fix in a tight fitted blouse showing off her cleavage on sky sports news! Lol

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Originally Posted by tsadriana

Its what i have read on google darling .....

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Well, you should know better than to believe everything you read, especially on the internet LOL.

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

Well, you should know better than to believe everything you read, especially on the internet LOL.

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Yes your right there.

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Originally Posted by fire.starterman

I'm not gonna be happy until I see allanah star presenting my daily football fix in a tight fitted blouse showing off her cleavage on sky sports news! Lol

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I'm with you on that.

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Originally Posted by tsadriana

Yes your right there.

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Good I am glad you agree.

Just for info, in 1976-77 TUla was the lead model in a campaign for Life Helmets (long since defunct) in whic she appeared wearing only body paint along with some ordinary girl models. Every single one of the then extant UK motorcycle press ran the Life Helmets Press release, which made a point of stating that Tula was trans. This was not a problem, because everybody knew. She'd made no secret of her life as a formerly male dancer who transitioned.

Candis Cayne? :lol:

Yeah. Because there's nothing like pointing to a woman with a punny drag queen name referring to her former penis as the public face of transsexuality. I'm sure that will force society to accept that we're NOT men in dresses. :rolleyes:

I still love you though, Amber. ;)

~BB~

Here you go. Tula is driving.

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Originally Posted by fire.starterman

Let me put it another way. Name me transsexuals who are well known in popular culture other than being porn stars. In the whole of television why haven't we got just one attractive young transsexual news reader, or weather girl, presenter, fashion expert, celeb chef etc etc?

If your a young gorgeous transsexual the only opinions are porn star.

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Maybe trans women would rather not be well known for being trans? Though Lana Wachowski comes to mind.

Wow, I knew Tula was around pre-Bond, but I never saw that ad before. Playboy also featured her in a pictorial later in the '80s, their only trans pictorial ever afaik. They took a lot of heat for that.

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Originally Posted by Amy Gray

Maybe trans women would rather not be well known for being trans? Though Lana Wachowski comes to mind.

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Gods DAMN, I love her! <3

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Amy Gray

Maybe trans women would rather not be well known for being trans? Though Lana Wachowski comes to mind.

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Or further back, Wendy Carlos, the musician formerly known as Walter.

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Candis Cayne? :lol:

Yeah. Because there's nothing like pointing to a woman with a punny drag queen name referring to her former penis as the public face of transsexuality. I'm sure that will force society to accept that we're NOT men in dresses. :rolleyes:

I still love you though, Amber. ;)

~BB~

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I never said she needed to be the face of the ts community but she has had some mainstream acting roles and is attractive which is the criteria the OP was looking for.

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

I never said she needed to be the face of the ts community but she has had some mainstream acting roles and is attractive which is the criteria the OP was looking for.

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True. But her name bugs the ever-living shit out of me. :lol:

And let's face it, a name is the label of a person's identity. It says a lot more than people realize.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Ecstatic

Wow, I knew Tula was around pre-Bond, but I never saw that ad before. Playboy also featured her in a pictorial later in the '80s, their only trans pictorial ever afaik. They took a lot of heat for that.

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You sure? I thought I'd posted that here before.

Nway. It was 76, you know? Punk--the real stuff--had arrived. The Pistols had just turned the cultural landscape on its ear. Ska had returned. The Queen still mattered and she had a jubilee, but the country was bankrupt. We were all smoking pot, driving motorcycles, screwing like crazy and waiting for the Russkis to blow us all to fuck.

Nobody gave a shit what Tula's background was, it was all cool. Everything was cool.

By 1981, Thatcher had arrived...

Since you like her and you're a nice lad...

I have to say though, I blame Tula for everything. She was the one that did for me. Her and that fucking body paint my god I had dreams about that. Did I have dreams! And you know she's six foot? Holy crap! Heaven on legs!

Yeah...I mean,if a transsexual makes it in mainstream media as a woman...I would guess chances are she not going to come out because it would already be "mission accomplished" for her...unless she was outed by some asshole. There may , in fact already be some more names we can't come up with because no one knows they're transsexual.

Sadly political correctness only really protects the easily offended. Complete waste of time and we won't have any assistance from them for Trans women.

Mainstream acceptance would not be having someone be famous and trans, it'd just be acceptance of her as another woman in whichever field she's in. Kim Petras for example, seems to constantly be rolled out as "youngest ever sex change" yet her music is always a distant afterthought. I'd love nothing more than to see TS women occupying leading lady roles or whatever, instead of being a bad punchline to a joke only misogynists laugh at