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I'm trying to deal with this tragedy today, as we all are.
As Gov Malloy addresses the citizens of Connecticut and the rest of our nation I grieve knowing that this deranged scumbag who murdered these kids had 3 guns. How did he get them ? It's as easy to buy these things as to buy a flat screen TV.
NRA. You are dead. You no longer have a political base.
Fuck you and die
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association
NRA. You are done
Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker today.
Newtown and the Madness of Guns
Posted by Adam Gopnik
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After the mass gun murders at Virginia Tech, I wrote about the unfathomable image of cell phones ringing in the pockets of the dead kids, and of the parents trying desperately to reach them. And I said (as did many others), This will go on, if no one stops it, in this manner and to this degree in this country alone—alone among all the industrialized, wealthy, and so-called civilized countries in the world. There would be another, for certain.
Then there were—many more, in fact—and when the latest and worst one happened, in Aurora, I (and many others) said, this time in a tone of despair, that nothing had changed. And I (and many others) predicted that it would happen again, soon. And that once again, the same twisted voices would say, Oh, this had nothing to do with gun laws or the misuse of the Second Amendment or anything except some singular madman, of whom America for some reason seems to have a particularly dense sample.
And now it has happened again, bang, like clockwork, one might say: Twenty dead children—babies, really—in a kindergarten in a prosperous town in Connecticut. And a mother screaming. And twenty families told that their grade-schooler had died. After the Aurora killings, I did a few debates with advocates for the child-killing lobby—sorry, the gun lobby—and, without exception and with a mad vehemence, they told the same old lies: it doesn’t happen here more often than elsewhere (yes, it does); more people are protected by guns than killed by them (no, they aren’t—that’s a flat-out fabrication); guns don’t kill people, people do; and all the other perverted lies that people who can only be called knowing accessories to murder continue to repeat, people who are in their own way every bit as twisted and crazy as the killers whom they defend. (That they are often the same people who pretend outrage at the loss of a single embryo only makes the craziness still crazier.)
So let’s state the plain facts one more time, so that they can’t be mistaken: Gun massacres have happened many times in many countries, and in every other country, gun laws have been tightened to reflect the tragedy and the tragic knowledge of its citizens afterward. In every other country, gun massacres have subsequently become rare. In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity, and they happen with hideous regularity because guns are hideously and regularly available.
The people who fight and lobby and legislate to make guns regularly available are complicit in the murder of those children. They have made a clear moral choice: that the comfort and emotional reassurance they take from the possession of guns, placed in the balance even against the routine murder of innocent children, is of supreme value. Whatever satisfaction gun owners take from their guns—we know for certain that there is no prudential value in them—is more important than children’s lives. Give them credit: life is making moral choices, and that’s a moral choice, clearly made.
All of that is a truth, plain and simple, and recognized throughout the world. At some point, this truth may become so bloody obvious that we will know it, too. Meanwhile, congratulate yourself on living in the child-gun-massacre capital of the known universe.
when this shit is gonna stop, 20 kids...I have 3 on my own, it is so fucked up
I actually was fired from my job a while ago because I speak loud about some asshole coworker, the motherfucker own guns and even my stupid ex boss is affraid of him When we are going to take the matter seriously, this is the only country in the world that has shit like this '
We are so fucked up
God bless those kids and their families
"when this shit is gonna stop,"?
As soon as the legal drug pushers stop drugging the kids. Not a moment sooner.
It's not the truth. There are many more countries where many more children are killed by firearms than in the US.Quote:
All of that is a truth, plain and simple, and recognized throughout the world. At some point, this truth may become so bloody obvious that we will know it, too. Meanwhile, congratulate yourself on living in the child-gun-massacre capital of the known universe.
Its sad but truth is this is an everyday thing in many countrys. Hati, somalia, burma, take ur pic, and taking our right to arms will not help. If evil wants to be seen it will be seen .
How did he get them? His mother, the school teacher purchased them legally. Can't you read?
..Brazil, Guatamala, El Salvador, Viet Nam....most of Africa....
Looky here....
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...n-north-denver
Time to ban Black people....er......lighter fluid.....or....ummmmm, matches.
Sheeeeeesh. Can't government do anything ? (asks the statist assholes).
Time to make them illegal then.Quote:
Originally Posted by beandip
A mad man on a suicide mission kills innocent children and adults. How did this happen? It was illegal to take guns in the school.
Mexico Proves Strict Gun Laws Won’t Prevent Massacres:
http://www.theblaze.com/contribution...ent-massacres/
Gun Regulation: U.S Gun Homicides vs. Japan:
Gun Regulation: U.S Gun Homicides vs. Japan - YouTube
It's also illegal to take knives into school, yet in China a man injured 23 school children with a knife. Fortunately no one was killed. If it had been easier for the perp to acquire semi-automatic weapons, there may have been 23 children dead today in China as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 95racer
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/...ack/index.html
Meanwhile, in Las Vegas...
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/...OtdfUWidg.cspx
Beandip - clearly a libertarian gun fan - is brave to raise his head above the parapet today in the wake of the massacre of the innocents. I'll applaud him for that. But not for his inhumane and stupid views. I am sure he does speak for a silent majority both here and in the wider public.
The chances of real changes on guns in the US? Virtually nil I'd say.
How many babies gotta die before these imbeciles relinquish their absurd claim on the right to bear arms. A hundred? A thousand?
A well armed militia with toddlers in their sights. Happy Christmas.
And that folks is where I'm heading to in a few hours. Triggerhappyland
Just one...one of their own, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
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Last time I bought a gun I had to go through a background check and wait 7 days to pick it up.
Last time a criminal wanted a gun, they went to a guy near their home and bought a fully automatic assault weapon same day.
Outlaw guns and crime will go up, not down, once it is perceived potential victims are unarmed.
"Spontaneous" assaults will be worse because attacks will have to happen with knives or blunt objects killing the person slowly or disabling them for life.
No matter how you cut it, the gun is not at fault and this is an emotional rant.
Supporting such Troll speech solves nothing but to feed the Troll.
http://pedant.artoflivin.sk/wp-conte...-the-troll.jpg
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Oh what a mad world we inhabit with such creatures as the previous poster in it. THIS is the level of problem that anyone trying to limit guns has to face. The sheer stupidity and lies and imperviousness to reality that the gun lobby own. And the heartlessness.
Pleased that your child or wife wasn't blown away in the latest attack. Do you feel any sympathy for the victims?
Killing the person slowly or disabling them for life!!! As opposed to having their heads blown off or guts ripped out by an automatic weapon !!!
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Originally Posted by beandip
They have worse records than the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by 559alphadog
Really...That's the best you can come up with?
A gun, not a person, killed this child.
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3...#axzz2F49vfisJ
Where is it written we have to do things sequentially? This is the twenty first century; we can work on both issues in parallel. Pass significant firearm regulation and address the abuse of legal and illegal drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by beandip
This so sad and fucked up
statistics
Are you serious? What a fucking moronic thing to say!Quote:
Originally Posted by LABiM75&StrF51
And 'stricter regulations' for guns does not equate to them being outlawed.
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Originally Posted by trish
I read the article twice and still don't understand how the gun fired all by itself. Explain please?
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Originally Posted by loveboof
It is a fact, more lawful people able to defend themshelves with firearms crime goes down. Not a moronic thing to say.
[QUOTE=trish;1248590]It's also illegal to take knives into school, yet in China a man injured 23 school children with a knife. Fortunately no one was killed. If it had been easier for the perp to acquire semi-automatic weapons, there may have been 23 children dead today in China as well.
You still haven't explained how this can happen when it was illegal to take a firearm into the school.
Odd, the Pennsylvania State Police are quoted as saying, "This happens all too often where people thing the gun was empty."Quote:
Originally Posted by 95racer
Try this experiment if you dare. Buy a 9mm Taurus handgun and put a live round in the chamber and cock. Pointing directly at yourself, tape it to the dash. Now drive on a pot-hole riven road for as long as you dare. Come back and tell us how many miles you drove. If you refuse to do the experiment you concede the point.
[quote=95racer;1248787]Don't need to. The knife was illegal too, but easier to acquire. The more difficult a particular weapon is to acquire, the less often it will be used in these sorts of crimes. Semi-automatic weapons are designed to kill, yet we sell them like candy on line and at gun shows. Time to stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
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Originally Posted by 95racer
Following that logic...
All those guns keeping people and property safe...Crime should be down to zero, or thereabouts. :shrug
When you find yourself saying, "My ideas aren't moronic," it's time to rethink them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 95racer
White House On Newtown School Shooting: Today Not The Day For Gun Control Debate:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...ef=mostpopular
NoozFlash Flabby Brain, the NRA sold out 15+ years ago.
But as long as dummies like you target them than everything is fantastic for gun owners like myself. Thank you for being stoooopid.
NRA is a non player, but then you've been watching too much of the stupid box to formulate any inkling of critical thinking.
Fake left, go right. It's working!
HHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA
Thanks to suckerz like u.
Pin Head Trish, look what happened in FL. when they "changed" the gun laws making it easier to obtain CCW and then introduced / strengthened the Castle Doctrine.
No matter how much utter bullshit you spew the facts are the facts.
Facts are facts:
Statistics please (although perhaps you should start spelling the countries correctly?) - Burma ... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 559alphadog
It's irrelevant. The US has the highest stats for criminal gun deaths in the West.
It's not a fact. It's not a moronic thing to say, you are a moron!Quote:
Originally Posted by 95racer
Firearms banned in UK - gun crime (and all crime) goes down. The UK has one of the lowest rates of gun deaths in the West.
This is the first time in 10 years I've seen Flabby mad - and I'm with him. Fuck the NRA and fuck the people who support the prolification and easy ability to buy guns and ammunition. I've just dumped a friend because I can't agree with him on it - it's not just a case of simple politics, it's a case of they don't give a fuck about anyone. As long as they have their guns, it's someone elses fault that a 20 yr old can easily get a hold of a number of guns and as much ammo as he wants and kill innocent people.
If I here one more fucking asshat say, arm the school teachers, put armed security in every school. Or "if you're going to ban guns, you need to ban knives" or, "if you blame for deaths because I all for supporting less gun regularion, then you need to blame me for drunk drivers because I drive a car" (!?!?!) then I'm going to kick them in the nuts (after I check they don't have a gun).
FUCK YOU.
This odious creep makes the largely unlamented OMK seem like a beacon of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by beandip
Your argument focuses on the killer's alleged drug use and the possibility of asperger's/autism. Does it not occur to you that if his mother hadn't kept weapons - assault weapons at that - that the horror would never have occurred? Why in God's name allow such open access to weapons that are not designed for sport but instead are specifically designed to kill people easily and in large numbers? That's where the insanity lies. Licensed weapons for hunting, fine, but draw the line somewhere.