Why does this still feel "Unnatural"?

I've known about Transwomen since I was 13, and I'm 21 now and still this whole thing feels "unnatural". That's the best way for me to put it, if i watch Tranny porn I feel like complete garbage after I'm done. I had my first experience with a T-girl a few months ago and I shared it here. I told you guys The sex was amazing and it was, but I didn't say how I felt when I was on my way home...I felt like I just crossed a line that should never be crossed. I felt repulsed, ashamed, angry at myself for letting things go that far. Somedays I wake up and I'm so excited to have discovered transwomen, other days I wake up thinking "Why did I have to discover these people, what exactly is my problem that I can't just stick to genetic women?"

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, I truly don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just tired of feeling this way. A few years ago I used to think I would feel more comfortable with transwomen eventually, and I do feel a bit more comfortable compared to back then. But there are sometimes I just feel so guilty I can barely look at myself in the mirror. I need help.

Lmaooooooooo

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

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Thanks for the input, Amber.

If you think you need help - get a therapist and start sessions. Really! Otherwise accept who you are... you can on here talking about wanting to get topped. So why are you surprised that you're excited about your 'fantasy' coming true. You were already dreaming about t-girls and now you've gotten the opportunity to suck and fuck one (and she sucked you) so why the guilt afterwards? Think you're gay ... get a therapist. Think you're confused ... get a therapist. Think you've made a mistake ... yup - get a therapist. If you can understand that at your age* you're experiments ... then its all good. Experiment and find yourself 1st and then what you like (and perhaps love) 2nd. If you're not living a home, what are you worried about. A man who can support himself honestly... should be respected.

Soooo ... enough with the hand holding. Get the fuck up from the screen, look in the mirror and decide if you like who you see. Thereafter, work on loving that person and you'll be on the right road. Otherwise, be prepared for stupid decisions, hidden desires, guilt sessions and general paranoia.



*If you're really 21.

You need help.

Maybe because... *drumroll* it isn't. Natural, that is. Not that I care.

This is the wrong place to ask for advice, talk to a pro(fessional not stitute).

Yeah lil buddy, you'll get that the first few times. You start dry heaving yet? Don't sweat it, you will feel ashamed but you are stuck now... you'll come back, feel this feeling again then it will turn to guilty pleasure or at least that is how it is for me. That feeling of "this isn't normal" that sickening you will turn to "this isn't normal and i love it".

You got to get started while you are single at 21? Stop fucking complaining and get back in there.

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Originally Posted by Flaco

I've known about Transwomen since I was 13, and I'm 21 now and still this whole thing feels "unnatural". That's the best way for me to put it, if i watch Tranny porn I feel like complete garbage after I'm done. I had my first experience with a T-girl a few months ago and I shared it here. I told you guys The sex was amazing and it was, but I didn't say how I felt when I was on my way home...I felt like I just crossed a line that should never be crossed. I felt repulsed, ashamed, angry at myself for letting things go that far. Somedays I wake up and I'm so excited to have discovered transwomen, other days I wake up thinking "Why did I have to discover these people, what exactly is my problem that I can't just stick to genetic women?"

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, I truly don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just tired of feeling this way. A few years ago I used to think I would feel more comfortable with transwomen eventually, and I do feel a bit more comfortable compared to back then. But there are sometimes I just feel so guilty I can barely look at myself in the mirror. I need help.

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Youre young so youre just finding yourself sexually, it gets easier as you get older. As for right now? good luck.

The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.

You have hangups if you feel guilty for being sexually intimate with a TG. A therapist IMO isn't going to make it feel more 'natural' for you. Either it's something you can accept and feel comfortable about or it's not.

Your hangups IMO are really about what OTHERS have told you is 'right' or 'wrong' to do sexually. You've got too many people in the bedroom.
TGs are most of all PEOPLE. Forget focusing on just the sex. The more comfortable you are with the person in your bed, the less you'll be caught up by what others on the outside think.

Yes someone is going to call you a faggot in denial. Goes with the territory.
Time to grow up.

Saying that it is “unnatural” is saying that you can’t find any such behaviour in nature. Well, we know this far that over 1500 different species have homosexual behaviours. And we’re just starting to study animals from this point of view, because of the moral restrictions put before on the subject. Any form of homosexuality is natural.
We share more than 98% of our genetic material with chimpanzees. The one specie that has the greatest bisexual behaviour in nature is a type of chimps, the bonobos, who’s social exchanges are completely bisexuals; females have sex with other females by rubbing vulvas, and males with other males by penetration and rubbing, amongst other “homosexual” practices.
Historically, pre-Christian societies for which we have sufficient information, namely the Ancient Greco-Romans and Persians, were all completely bisexuals. In ancient Greece, it was even a matter of pride for young men, for instance, to make a lot of male conquests. There was also a great number of effeminate men and transvestites, probably a lot of what we know today to be transsexuals. Christianity changed all that from about the IVth or Vth century of our era on, in the Western part of Europe, and probably even later in the Eastern part. Bisexuality still had a large place in the Eastern, Islamic part of the world later on, and namely in the Ottoman empire, all the way up to the XIXth century at least.
Traditions related to people being born male and living as females has been present everywhere around the world for as long as we know. It’s been present forever amongst the aboriginal populations of the Americas as the “Two-Spirits” people; the Hijras in India; the Fa’afine and the Mahu mahu or Rae rae in Polynesia; the kathoeys in Thaïland; the Koçek in Turkey; there is a tradition of transsexuality and transvestism in Japan that was so important at some point in time that laws had to be taken by authorities against it; and it has been ever present in almost every other cultures worldwide for centuries and centuries.
All these facts in themselves should show you that having sex with a transsexual woman certainly doesn’t have anything (but NOT ANYTHING) unnatural at all. But you also have to know that we understand more and more today, with the progress in neurology, that transsexualism is a biological condition, and that therefore it is completely natural.
If you’re not yet convinced, please, be bold! just get on the internet and search for “homosexuality in animals”, search for “transsexuals”, etc.; you will find enough to engage in a reflection that goes way beyond the social repression we suffer to this day in our own society, and goes way beyond the short sited views of traditional judeo-christians attitudes we have been brainwashed with.
Think by yourself, stop letting people think for you…
I’m giving you here a few links you can consult on your own, and a few tube.
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
Homosexuality in the animal kingdom Part 1 [Warning animals engaging in homosexual acts] - YouTube
Homosexuality in Animals - YouTube
Top 10 Gay (Homosexual) Animals! - YouTube
Gay Lions. Homosexuality is a common trait among lions. - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Lovecox

The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.

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:iagree:I couldn't have said it any better.

Wow, all teh aids

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Originally Posted by Lovecox

The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.

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I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Parents, society or religion. If I truly wanted something and I felt it was right to have it, I wouldn't let anything stop me from getting it. I'm just a conflicted individual, there's a part of me that thinks Transwomen are fascinating, beautiful women (They are). And there's another part of me deep inside that feels like it's very wrong for me to partake in that kind of lifestyle. And that's why the whole thing feels like a dilemma to me. Something I find funny is that people say once you discover Transwomen you can't go back? But I wasn't born liking Transwomen though, If I was then it would be a different story. I was born liking Genetic Women and Vagina. Discovering Transwomen led to those feelings reducing but they never went away and never will go away.

I honestly think I will really consider therapy on this issue because I'm just tired of the war that goes on in my mind almost daily because of this. Thanks to everyone though for your opinions and support.

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Originally Posted by Flaco

I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Parents, society or religion. If I truly wanted something and I felt it was right to have it, I wouldn't let anything stop me from getting it. I'm just a conflicted individual, there's a part of me that thinks Transwomen are fascinating, beautiful women (They are). And there's another part of me deep inside that feels like it's very wrong for me to partake in that kind of lifestyle. And that's why the whole thing feels like a dilemma to me. Something I find funny is that people say once you discover Transwomen you can't go back? But I wasn't born liking Transwomen though, If I was then it would be a different story. I was born liking Genetic Women and Vagina. Discovering Transwomen led to those feelings reducing but they never went away and never will go away.

I honestly think I will really consider therapy on this issue because I'm just tired of the war that goes on in my mind almost daily because of this. Thanks to everyone though for your opinions and support.

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You're the one telling me. Ever since I've educated myself about these subjects my entire philosophy of life has been altered. The only thing that will make you feel comfortable is time. Another way to think of your fancy, and the way I treat my openmindedness is: Theres nothing wrong with liking both, whichever I end up with doesn't matter to me, nor should it matter to anyone else but me. You need to start living free of the morals, ethics, etc. that conflict your desire, and to enjoy life.

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Originally Posted by Lovecox

The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.

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This

I always feel like the most miserable person of the world after jerking off to lb-porn. it just isnt right.. especially cause i get much more excited about ts than ggs...

We are all of us part of nature. We are just one piece of the natural world. There is nothing else. Everything we do is natural. Everything. When people who understand this make the distinction between natural and otherwise they are usually alluding to the distinction between wild and domestic. I suggest that when you say that it feels "unnatural" you mean it feels civilized; something that is only done in domesticated societies. Sure enough without civilization the treatments and surgeries that make transgenders possible would be non-existent (outside the world of amphibians that is :) ). Welcome to modern civilization. Hope you're able to acclimate without too much difficulty.

Get over it!

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Originally Posted by trish

We are all of us part of nature. We are just one piece of the natural world. There is nothing else. Everything we do is natural. Everything. When people who understand this make the distinction between natural and otherwise they are usually alluding to the distinction between wild and domestic. I suggest that when you say that it feels "unnatural" you mean it feels civilized; something that is only done in domesticated societies. Sure enough without civilization the treatments and surgeries that make transgenders possible would be non-existent (outside the world of amphibians that is :) ). Welcome to modern civilization. Hope you're able to acclimate without too much difficulty.

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:Bowdown::Bowdown: Tell the truth!!

I never got people who felt 'guilty' for being turned on TGs. It's about the same as those folks who feel guilty about masturbating.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

You have hangups if you feel guilty for being sexually intimate with a TG. A therapist IMO isn't going to make it feel more 'natural' for you. Either it's something you can accept and feel comfortable about or it's not.

Your hangups IMO are really about what OTHERS have told you is 'right' or 'wrong' to do sexually. You've got too many people in the bedroom.
TGs are most of all PEOPLE. Forget focusing on just the sex. The more comfortable you are with the person in your bed, the less you'll be caught up by what others on the outside think.

Yes someone is going to call you a faggot in denial. Goes with the territory.
Time to grow up.

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Well said! Allowing others to dictate who and what you are leads to self-destruction.

it only feels "unnatural" because you're letting what others think affect you. Live for yourself!

Just because it is not natural, that does not mean it is a bad thing. There's nothing natural about wearing clothing, taking a bath, brushing your teeth, cooking food, wearing glasses, having an annual doctor's checkup, living under a roof, drinking filtered water, typing on a laptop, or watching television. Most of what we live in nowadays is not natural, but not necessarily a bad thing. Probably only some of the most isolated animals live in an all natural way.

You are not alone. I once had similar feelings. I wanted to block the attraction to TS women. I was lying to myself. I deleted all of my TS porn and tried to avoid going back to it. In a matter of days I went back to it and never looked back. It's apart of me. It's who I am. I enjoy TS porn and would like to experience sex with a beautiful TS woman. I've happily accepted it and embraced it.

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Originally Posted by Flaco

I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Parents, society or religion. If I truly wanted something and I felt it was right to have it, I wouldn't let anything stop me from getting it. I'm just a conflicted individual, there's a part of me that thinks Transwomen are fascinating, beautiful women (They are). And there's another part of me deep inside that feels like it's very wrong for me to partake in that kind of lifestyle. And that's why the whole thing feels like a dilemma to me. Something I find funny is that people say once you discover Transwomen you can't go back? But I wasn't born liking Transwomen though, If I was then it would be a different story. I was born liking Genetic Women and Vagina. Discovering Transwomen led to those feelings reducing but they never went away and never will go away.

I honestly think I will really consider therapy on this issue because I'm just tired of the war that goes on in my mind almost daily because of this. Thanks to everyone though for your opinions and support.

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Franklin has the right attitude towards this, Flaco. Before paying someone 75 to 125 dollars for listening to you for 45 minutes every week if not twice a week, why don’t you just start by taking a break? Just stop watching ts porn altogether for a while. Take some distance to reflect. Make a pause. You will see much better after, with a little perspective, no matter what the problem is. Don’t even come to this site for a while. Clean your environment from any mention of the subject if you can. Try to completely forget about it.
Start by freeing yourself of the dilemma and things will appear much more clearly eventually.

Life's too short to worry about this stuff!

You like what you like - it's not really anyone else's business...

Hey everyone, I took a short break from the site to get my mind right. I'm doing ok for the most part now, still confused and angry about a few things but I think i'll be ok. Anyway thanks to everyone for the support

i read your threats and you seems like your a quite stupid idiot kid that needs to mature ... XO

why dont ya fuck my ass and get over it ????

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Hey everyone, I took a short break from the site to get my mind right. I'm doing ok for the most part now, still confused and angry about a few things but I think i'll be ok. Anyway thanks to everyone for the support

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Very happy to hear that, Flaco! Welcome back!

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Originally Posted by Flaco

Hey everyone, I took a short break from the site to get my mind right. I'm doing ok for the most part now, still confused and angry about a few things but I think i'll be ok. Anyway thanks to everyone for the support

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ill give you the same advise that i gave a friend recently.it was concerning other matter but i think its still applicable.
the best way to uncomplicated things in life is to do what makes you happy.dont over think it,dont try to rationalize it.just follow your heart and be you.apply this to every aspect of your life and i promise things will work itself out.
at the end of the day this is your life to live,no one elses.you dont want to be at the end of it regretting...

Very well said, lovely Amber!

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Originally Posted by bottomXOslave

i read your threats and you seems like your a quite stupid idiot kid that needs to mature ... XO

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WTF!!!!lol

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Originally Posted by danthepoetman

Historically, pre-Christian societies for which we have sufficient information, namely the Ancient Greco-Romans and Persians, were all completely bisexuals. In ancient Greece, it was even a matter of pride for young men, for instance, to make a lot of male conquests. There was also a great number of effeminate men and transvestites, probably a lot of what we know today to be transsexuals. Christianity changed all that from about the IVth or Vth century of our era on, in the Western part of Europe, and probably even later in the Eastern part. Bisexuality still had a large place in the Eastern, Islamic part of the world later on, and namely in the Ottoman empire, all the way up to the XIXth century at least.

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No one should underestimate the damage done by Christianity. While in the early centuries it was actually very tolerant and inclusive, the move to persecute the Cathars in France, which resulted in tens of thousands of brutal killings, led to the establishment of the Inquisition, which carried this particular role on. Protestant versions were just as bad with many thousands burned as 'witches'. Some of these victims were simply mad, some were unlucky enough to have upset someone influential and some were actually believers in older faiths. Perhaps even worse, during the colonial era, Anglo-Saxon protestant christianity, a grim, dour cult that banned any form of sexual activity that was not directly procreative, exported its viciously repressive ideas across the globe, where they continue to fester and cause harm.

The tolerant attitude of Islam, which is derived from Christianity, was far less general than you may think and was contained mainly to the Persian version; the Persians were converted relatively late and tolerated other religions and even (!) atheists for centuries. Unfortunately, the rise of Wahabiism, a rigidly fundamentalist, literalist version of Islam with an uncanny resemblance to American right-wing Christian fundamentalism, has made Iran (modern Persia) one of the most intolerant states in the world, where homosexuals are routinely executed.

Monotheism in general is a cultural blight that we could well do without, and if people really must persist in believing these groundless superstitions, they should find something a bit less blatantly evil.

Re the ancient world, I have written here before about the cult of Cybele, a Graeco-Roman fertility goddess. Cybele is actually a version of the Sumerian goddess Inana, later Ishtar, Astarte and many others. Inana was the goddess of fertility and not only did her temples contain natal female prostitutes but men who, in a passion of religious fervour, would cut off their own genitals and spend the rest of their lives (if they survived) as women. This practice is still carried on by India's Hijra, and it is likely that this culture is a derivative of Inana's worship.

Inana became Isis in Egypt, where she adopted a maternal role as the mother of the god Horus. That is interesting because Isis is the direct model for the Christian Mary and Horus one of the models for Jesus.

What complicated webs we weave, no?

There you go