Gay man has a cruch on you,publically tells you & you kill him

Jonathan Schmitz
When/where: 1996, Lake Orion, Mich.

The charges: Schmitz was charged with first-degree murder and assault with a firearm after killing Scott Amedure. Amedure revealed his crush for Schmitz on a taping for this The Jenny Jones Show.

His insanity defense: Schmitz had a history of mental illness, and defense attorneys tried to use gay panic defense considering the nature of the case.

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The gay panic defense[1] is a legal defense against charges of Assault - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or Murder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. A defendant using the gay panic defense claims that he or she acted in a state of violent Insanity defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia because of a little-known psychiatric condition called Homosexual panic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.[2] Trans panic is a similar defense applied towards cases where the victim is a Transgender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or Intersex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia person. This defense often fails, and has been ruled inadmissible in many jurisdictions [3] because of a complete lack of scientific research to support it.


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Gay dudes don't bother me. My godfather is gay.

I'm flattered if they think I'm hot, but sexually it won't happen.

I'm not gonna kill someone over it.

Defense attorneys are the biggest bullshit artists walking the planet.

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Originally Posted by FreddieGomez

Gay dudes don't bother me.

I'm flattered if they think I'm hot, but sexually it won't happen.

I'm not gonna kill someone over it.

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Ditto.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Defense attorneys are the biggest bullshit artists walking the planet.

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Juries only fall for bullshit when they want to.

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Originally Posted by FreddieGomez

Gay dudes don't bother me. My godfather is gay.

I'm flattered if they think I'm hot, but sexually it won't happen.

I'm not gonna kill someone over it.

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same here, if you dig me, so what.. Join the club lol j/k, but really, it's just half a chromosome for Gods sake.. If girls killed every guy that showed them unwanted attention there would be no guys left on earth..

Btw willie escalade, love your sig:)

Maybe people use the term "tranny" cause ts women are so very intricate,and few guys are intelligent and self confident enough to get to understand them;)

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Originally Posted by FreddieGomez

Gay dudes don't bother me. My godfather is gay.

I'm flattered if they think I'm hot, but sexually it won't happen.

I'm not gonna kill someone over it.

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Homo

Gay cats come on to me, even at the gym, which I thought was a non no, until i really, really, really, listen to the the words of YMCA. And not that I judge men, but it always the cute chubby guys that come on to me, or the old guys. Younger, I might have reacted differently, but now I just say ok and move on.

If a Gay Man came on to me I'd simply tell him I'm not interested. No big deal. Hasn't happened.

what if he touch you and like squeezed your buttocks,pulled your hand towards his penis forcibly or grabbed your crotch?

how would you react?

Resist, tell him to f*** off.... and in the final resolve, if all else failed, punch him.

so an aggressive gay man would get a violent reaction!

What if he invited you to a Miami Heat game and picked up the tab at McCormick & Schmicks?

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Originally Posted by Merkurie

What if he invited you to a Miami Heat game and picked up the tab at McCormick & Schmicks?

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I wouldn't have the slightest clue what he was talking about....

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Originally Posted by natina

what if he touch you and like squeezed your buttocks,pulled your hand towards his penis forcibly or grabbed your crotch?

how would you react?

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I know of someone who actually did something like that. They later transitioned into one of the most gorgeous girls out there.

if we click so be it!

I'm game

you befriend the guy, go out and have a good time, whats the big fucking deal. People are so hung up on what others think, just ewwwww. If someone irks someone that bad, maybe they should go kill themselves, obviously they have way too many hang ups and no community coping skills.

What's the point? Gay man likes you - unless you into him or that its going nowhere. I woman could like you - but if you're not into them its going nowhere. What's the difference?

them dudes aint that ballsy to come at me like that

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Originally Posted by FreddieGomez

them dudes aint that ballsy to come at me like that

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"I likes ya an I wants ya. So we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The choice is yours"
-Fleece Johnson
Lock-Up_ RAW Booty Warrior FLEECE JOHNSON - YouTube

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Originally Posted by natina

so an aggressive gay man would get a violent reaction!

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So what are you asking? Is it the sexuality of the aggressor that has you so inquisitive....or the fact that they are an aggressor ? The point is would an aggressive guy groping a women on the street get a different reaction? He shouldn't . You cross that line, and you'd better expect a reaction.

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Originally Posted by Merkurie

"I likes ya an I wants ya. So we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The choice is yours"
-Fleece Johnson
Lock-Up_ RAW Booty Warrior FLEECE JOHNSON - YouTube

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LMFAO!!

When I saw that caricature of this dude on The Boondocks, I was rollin'. Then to find out this dude is real? Priceless!

Boondocks rules.

Thats some sick jail house shit!

This happened to me back during the 80's. I'm not sure what I did to attract the attention, but when I got in grad school, I lost a lot of weight putting in 16 hr days and got so skinny without really trying. Just lots of moving and not eating. I got heavily into the academic crowd with a full beard, wearing flannel shirts over T's and jeans and smoking a pipe. Nothing in the way of jewelry or anything brand name. Outside of wearing aviator's that were typical of the time for wire frames and getting my old pair tinted, there wasn't anything I wore or did different. Oh, I started to carry a military surplus gas mask canvas green bag that my girlfriend with a web strap over my shoulder more as a camera and note bag b/c I used to bike to the university. It seemed that out of nowhere, guys were either giving me a wink or trying to pick me up. Hell, it didn't bother me, I was actually flattered. I never had a homophobic bone in me anyways. It sure bugged my girlfriend and my mom though. It was more fun to tell them, even make up a story or two just to get the reaction from them. It always amused me that they reacted so strongly to it. My dad would go off on how he'd beat the shit of any guy that did that. They seemed to have a problem with me not reacting the same way. Nobody ever touched me. I don't think that I'd have reacted if it was just a benign pat on the butt or touch. I certainly would have reacted if the overture was physical like a crotch grab or physical accostment, but I'd do that to anyone under any circumstances.

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Originally Posted by FreddieGomez

Gay dudes don't bother me. My godfather is gay.

I'm flattered if they think I'm hot, but sexually it won't happen.

I'm not gonna kill someone over it.

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well said if some one kills another because a guy hit on you then you should be shot whats the big deal gay guys try and hit on me all the time but its never gonna happen

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Originally Posted by Merkurie

"I likes ya an I wants ya. So we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The choice is yours"
-Fleece Johnson
Lock-Up_ RAW Booty Warrior FLEECE JOHNSON - YouTube

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disgusting i would introduce this sum bag to my .45 these animals shot be shot in the head and we shouldnt be paying for them to be kept alive

I think anyone who uses the "gay panic" defense after commiting a homo/transphobic hate crime is a bigoted coward.

so this gay guy brought a straight guy on a national TV show to tell him he had a crush on him? ok while not deserving death, this guy is a nut. what did he expect this person's reaction to be?
it's one thing to go up to someone in public it's another to bark up the wrong tree on a national TV show.

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Originally Posted by Faith_CD

so this gay guy brought a straight guy on a national TV show to tell him he had a crush on him? ok while not deserving death, this guy is a nut. what did he expect this person's reaction to be?
it's one thing to go up to someone in public it's another to bark up the wrong tree on a national TV show.

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Why should anyone have to fear telling another person that they have a crush on them?

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Originally Posted by Merkurie

Why should anyone have to fear telling another person that they have a crush on them?

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they shouldn't. What people should fear is living their life and never hearing it at all.

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Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections

they shouldn't. What people should fear is living their life and never hearing it at all.

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True.

You always think you’ve seen everything. Someone who kills another person because that person has a crush on him? He took a gun and just killed him. That’s so vile and disgusting it’s beyond expression. You make a whole world disappear because you don’t like that person’s attraction for you? That’s just unspeakable.
I’m not gay, but I do feel flattered when someone, anyone, tell me he or she is attracted to me. Why wouldn’t something like that be pleasing to hear? It is twisted to turn that into violence, but certainly not insane in any way, on the contrary: it reveals someone with cold, violent, fucked up values…

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Originally Posted by Merkurie

Why should anyone have to fear telling another person that they have a crush on them?

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i didn't say they should have to fear it but really what was this guys end game? he took a straight man onto the Jenny Jones show, which was broadcast nation wide, to tell him he had a crush on him. what exactly did he think was going to happen?

again what happened was totally unacceptable but i'm just wondering what was up with the gay man who went way out of his way to get what was going to be an almost certain bad reaction.

Did it have to be a bad reaction?

What about that show "There is something about Miriam? That was bound to end badly too. But I got the clear impression that the guy who Miriam chose was truly attracted to her and into her. Her Trans status and the way it was revealed at the climax of the program doomed the whole thing. But did it really have to?

How is someone who is not "straight" supposed to "safely" find a mate? Wear appropriately colored hankies? Stick to queer spaces? or take their lives into their own hands?

To hell with people's precious straightness.

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Originally Posted by Faith_CD

i didn't say they should have to fear it but really what was this guys end game? he took a straight man onto the Jenny Jones show, which was broadcast nation wide, to tell him he had a crush on him. what exactly did he think was going to happen?

again what happened was totally unacceptable but i'm just wondering what was up with the gay man who went way out of his way to get what was going to be an almost certain bad reaction.

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So, Faith, what would be the bottom line here? He shouldn’t reveal his crush in front of what? 5 persons? no: 3? then again no: only one, only to the person whom he has a crush on, right? Then what if it was to come to someone else’s ears? should the other guy be then entitled to be so mad in such circumstances?
I don’t understand that logic, but not one bit! What does it do to someone to be attractive to someone gay? Soil him? Does it disgrace him? Does it diminish him? Tell me, because I can’t fathom this one! Why is it an attenuating circumstance to you that this crush was revealed on tv?
That someone would think: “Because you, the gay, told everyone you were attracted to me, I’m going to kill you”? that, to you, is a normal reaction? I just can’t get this!
Come on! Faith, that doesn't make sense... Every one of us should have the right to his desire and his attraction when it is between adults, and no one deserves to be treated like that for such a reason. We all should have the right to express ourselves without risking to be attacked.

ow let talk about aggressive gay men who grab forcibly and or aggressively

forward,whats your take on on response then?

what if a guy does or say for instance a
guy is really religious and has in his belief that he will go to hell for relationship with a TS but the ts tricks him into marriage and its not discovered until some one tells or goes digging.

this has already happen in either te U.K. OR LONDON

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Originally Posted by natina

what if he touch you and like squeezed your buttocks,pulled your hand towards his penis forcibly or grabbed your crotch?

how would you react?

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Originally Posted by natina

so an aggressive gay man would get a violent reaction!

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So what are you asking? Is it the sexuality of the aggressor that has you so inquisitive....or the fact that they are an aggressor ? The point is would an aggressive guy groping a women on the street get a different reaction? He shouldn't . You cross that line, and you'd better expect a reaction.

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Originally Posted by Faith_CD

i didn't say they should have to fear it but really what was this guys end game? he took a straight man onto the Jenny Jones show, which was broadcast nation wide, to tell him he had a crush on him. what exactly did he think was going to happen?

again what happened was totally unacceptable but i'm just wondering what was up with the gay man who went way out of his way to get what was going to be an almost certain bad reaction.

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Natina, we’re talking about someone who reveals a crush on someone; not a prison rape committed by someone who’s in there for life. All the cases you’re talking about are different. Yet I’ll tell you something, ever since I started reading the paper a long, long time ago, what I see is people who are getting beaten up to a pulp and killed for absolutely no other reason than their sexual orientation; what little of the opposite you see (outside prison stories), is so meager it’s practically nonexistent. I think we should remain on the subject…

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So, Faith, what would be the bottom line here? He shouldn’t reveal his crush in front of what? 5 persons? no: 3? then again no: only one, only to the person whom he has a crush on, right? Then what if it was to come to someone else’s ears? should the other guy be then entitled to be so mad in such circumstances?
I don’t understand that logic, but not one bit! What does it do to someone to be attractive to someone gay? Soil him? Does it disgrace him? Does it diminish him? Tell me, because I can’t fathom this one! Why is it an attenuating circumstance to you that this crush was revealed on tv?
That someone would think: “Because you, the gay, told everyone you were attracted to me, I’m going to kill you”? that, to you, is a normal reaction? I just can’t get this!
Come on! Faith, that doesn't make sense... Every one of us should have the right to his desire and his attraction when it is between adults, and no one deserves to be treated like that for such a reason. We all should have the right to express ourselves without risking to be attacked.

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You seem like a reasonable and decent guy, but you're living in a utopian dream world. When are you returning to this one? You seem to be hung up on what "should be " permissable or acceptable. That's nice, but you're presuming everyone has your skill set and disposition. Bad assumption. There are certain things we know instinctively that are just not advisable. You don't walk down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood at 2 AM, and the person that's foolish enough to say " I should be able to walk anywhere in my city" is not wrong...he's just going to get hurt. You don't drive by a group of Hells Angels and flip them the bird because you think their exhaust is to loud to hear your radio. You don't stare at some Navy Seal's dick in the shower at your local gym...newsflash....he's not feeling the love you might have ! You don't confront someone like that on national TV with such a controversial admission. You leave him a voice mail, write him a letter, or tell him privately.
I'm not blaming the victim, but nothing good was bound to happen when one person is so publicly intimidated and embarrassed. I'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more often. It's not about how you'd feel and react in the same situation, it's about how he reacted.