An honest statement by the best looking tranny on the planet
Get a life "girls" and fact up to the fact of what she says makes a whole lotta sense!
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An honest statement by the best looking tranny on the planet
Get a life "girls" and fact up to the fact of what she says makes a whole lotta sense!
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so because ONE girls says it than it must be true!!!! ok well in that same vain..men arent nothing but walking atm'sQuote:
Originally Posted by terminator2011
That's one very young and very confused girl. I would not mind betting that most, if not all transsexual women have had the same doubts at some time. Her self analysis reveals that she thinks "she was born a man and that ls what she is" but at the same time that she "feels like a woman, acts like a woman" is " a woman inside" and "could never live as a masculine being." This is not exactly unusual; she is trying to feel her way forward, to discover whom she actually is.
Transsexuals present some of the most compex psychological questions that we have to consider, and it is completely normal for transitioning women to question themselves. Furthermore, Ellie, the girl in the clip, lives in a very remote part of Scotland where her support network is extremely limited, she has no peers and her family has thrown her out. These factors all contribute to her mental state.
I'm sorry, but the OP will have to do some research on this matter. To come on the board with what, a whole ten posts behind him, and use the statement of one very young girl who is clearly, because of this and other recent statements she has made, in deep emotional and psychological crisis to attack transsexual women, is low, prejudiced and hateful. My advice to the OP is to take his preconceptions away with him and go and learn something before he comes back.
As a start, Google "Harry Benjamin."
We're not all walking wallets, but some of us are idiots!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
She is entitled to her opnion like we all are :)
My opinion is termintor 2011 = bitchboy5000 = subwaycity2000 = woodywoodsac = tania harvey = bla bla bla bla and this an attempt to get a response over a sensitive subject.
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I suspect you're right Sammi
If that's all it takes, everyone called Jericho has a 12 inch cock and can go for hours...Line up girls! :hide-1:Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
I really hope Ellie snaps out of it soon. What a waste she will be.
Really don't see anything wrong with what she said. What is there to snap out of? She said she's fine never being a "real" woman. She said that when girls get vaginas they are "fake" vaginas. Don't disagree with anything that she said because she was stating fact.
She said she knows you can be a girl born in a mans body but hormones although they change your outer appearance and make you look more the way that you feel, they don't change the fact that you were "BORN IN A MANS BODY".
Sounds to me that she's just content with being a transsexual and doesn't need to give herself the "illusion" that she's anything other than that.
While you guys are knocking her (totally understand fellas as we've been conditioned to believe that's what we're supposed to do), I think she's one of the unconfused ones.
Kinda hard to take that seriously when i'm trans and have and F on my license. I'm pretty sure they only put the F on a females license. I don't need anyone telling me who I am, I am a woman regardless of others opinions. If many doctors, psychiatrists, and my state see's me as a woman, then who is anyone else to tell me otherwise?
I think she is referring more to the genetic make up of her body...it makes sense but it is her opinion and I am sure others will be against it and others for it...
if you're dumb like me, you can click the photo for the video lol!
I wasn't talking about this video- she's apparently having s tough go, is in a lot of pain (some of it apparently self inflicted) and is often near incoherent.Quote:
Originally Posted by dafame
She's not"fine".
Well the answer that some might give is GOD but being that I'm not a believer I'll say perhaps the doctor that birthed you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiffany Starr
Look this isn't a knock and I say what's most important is how you feel about yourself. But there is a such thing as fact and it really can't be disputed. Like the girl said no matter how many hormones you take you can't change your bone structure for instance. Not without surgically doing so where surgery allows. I could have a surgen give me a big round nose but that doesn't then constitute me "clown" and no longer human.
Point is why do you girls feel the need to insist that you're woman and no different from a genetic female? Why do you guys insist on validating this when none of you would be here if there wasn't anything that separated them from genetic females?
Point is what's wrong with being a "transsexual"? I think that's what the girl in the video was saying.
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Originally Posted by nonnonnon
hahaha... i was going to comment if anyone had the link. -___-
hmm... I didn't really see anything wrong or offensive with the video. I mean, she thinks what she wants, just as I think what I want. I do believe that if she stays in that mindset, she probably wont be happy for a long time. That's on her. I accept myself as a woman, people see me as a woman at home, at work, walking down the street, etc.
She is entitled to her own opinion. And while it is blunt I would not say she is "attacking" anyone.
What bothers me is the whole concept of transexuals being men. Or having been born men. Nobody is born a man. People become men or women as you grow through childhood, but you are not born a man or a woman. People are born male or female (XY, XX, XXY, XYY). As they grow they let you know if they are boys or girls, hetero bi or homo sexual etc.
What constitutes a man (or woman) is highly dependent on the culture you live in, how you live your life and how others interact with you, and a bunch of other factors. On most any count you can imagine transwomen are not men. The skin you are in makes you male or female (or intersexed) but that alone does not make a man or a woman.
Putting people into two rigid gender groups is a western thing rooted in the Abrahamic religions and not the case in a number of cultures or eras. It is fundamentally ignorant and it is ultimately enforced by violence.
That's good Qwerty. You see yourself as a woman and people see you as a woman when you walk down the street. I'm pretty sure that people see her as a woman when she walks down the street as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by qwerty94
I just think that you guys are missing the point. I didn't see anything that would make me say "she's unhappy", and I know transsexuals who accept the same reality that she was talking and they don't appear to be unhappy either.
Are you suggesting that's what it takes for a transsexual to be happy? To completely convince themselves that they are absolutely no different then any other woman who has a mentral cycle each month?
If it makes you happy to tell yourself this I don't see anything wrong with it if that's where your happyness comes from. But I think it's entirely different to suggest that this girl will be unhappy unless she starts thinking the same way.
If there is one thing that I dislike about transsexuals its this notion. It's the fact that there are many transsexuals who take this notion and use it to seperate themselves from the rest of the gay community (in there own minds). It's the reason that many transsexuals don't like men who like transsexuals because that very fact reminds them that they are infact transsexuals and not genetic women who bleed once a month.
Again I'll ask, what is so terrible about being a transsexual? What's so terrible about being what you are and were meant to be? I think that if you were meant to be genetic women then you would have been born that way, so why is it so difficult to celebrate the beauty of what you were meant to be?
me i see myself as a transgendered woman ...but i think each person has a different mental approach to it and also a level of acceptance , she has openly admitted manytimes that she struggles with the TS thing .but she is very young and as some have had said no support ..
Myself i was a later transitioner, i have full support of my entire family, no issues etc so i have been lucky and only had to get my head round the intial instance..then its been plain sailing .. so i have never had to deal with being alone, no family help,love etc so that entire concept is alien to me .
Personally i think to many people look to deep into it rather than just accept it is what is ...and not be worried about labels ...
All that matters is your happy at the end of day , and interms of actual gender identity on a personal level sure people can state fact etc .. but in reality its your legal document that entitles you to live in the gender ... So if your passport is female then you will have female privelages, if your male you have male privelages `and are protected by the law accordingly..
The way i see it is this, a body is just a shell, vehicle like lego that can be adapted.ajusted ... your brain cant .... so you have a female brain and cant alter that but you can alter your body to match your brain .
The whole neovagina/fake vagina crap that many people blast about not having babies etc, not having a womb so there for will never make you a real woman is abit moot .. as what about the hundred of thousands of women that cant have babies, have no womb etc , are they men then ?
The only flaw i see with a neovagina is the self lubricatiion aspect that is not quite right ..but otherwise it does the same thing..
But of course everyone is entitled to their views ...its an interesting subject matter and intriguing to see how different girls deal with their transtioning .
Why do people insist on being so deep in their defense of this shit..lol.. Male vs Female is what we're talking about bruh. No need to be so technical because again you're reinforcing this false belief in these girls which is by far the worse part about them. I wish people would stop doing that but I realize also that just as many of them need that false sense of identity, so do many of us men in dealing with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merkurie
Either end you're on its a complicated situation but it would be a lot simpler if people learned to love themselves for who they are rather than what they've managed to convince themselves they are or convinced themselves that the person they love or find an attraction to is.
:iagree::iagree::iagree: On the money as always, Liberty. Watching the vid and in particular listening to Ellery my main point is concern for her. She's always been fragile and it seems to be getting worse. I come from the same part of the world as she does and any departure from dour presbyterian norms there will always be viewed with suspicion, distrust, fear and hate. It's a hellish place to be different, so I really feel for her. I hope she can get out before it's too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
I dont care what she considers herself shes hot and id fuck the shit out of her!!!!!!!!!
I don't think we need to think too hard to see where you're coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by dafame
Out of interest, how do you regard women with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome?
i just wanna shove my cock in her mouth to shut her up...but wait...i don't want a "mon" sucking my dick...decisions, decisions???
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Originally Posted by dafame
So keep it simple and stupid?
Maybe, but he just sounds like a homosexual man who hates transsexuals.:shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Merkurie
Yeah I think I made it clear as day where I'm coming from but I'll clarify the point that you highlighted incase there are some that don't catch on as quickly as you and I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacShreach
You and I my friend do not consider ourselves gay and thus not a part of the gay community. We are attracted to feminity as apposed to masculinity and this fact excludes us of any mention of the "g-word". We don't participate in any gay community functions "balls or pride festivals" and may or may not have a gay friend but chances are don't particularly hang out with gay men simply because there's not a common bond.
I think that what may seperate us though is the fact that I am well aware of the fact that these girls were born male and in most cases have penises. I am also aware of the fact that I wouldn't be on this board if the fact that they have or had penises wasn't a determining factor in why I'm attracted to them.
In others words I don't play games with myself about what motivates me in order to somehow protect what I deam as my masculinity. I know who I am and love being me and there isn't anything that can make me feel like less of a man. Even dating a girl who has a penis that I know isn't prostetic because SHE WAS BORN WITH IT.
Does that pretty much some up where you thought I was coming from bruh?
As far as how I feel about women with Androgen insensitivity syndrome: "Androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) is caused by various genetic defects on the X chromosome that make the body unable to respond to the hormones responsible for the male appearance. Persons with incomplete AIS may have both male and female physical characteristics. Many have partial closing of the outer vaginal lips, an enlarged clitoris, and a short vagina."
So to answer your question I feel for them the way I would a person with any other genetic disorder. It's extremelly rare however and doesn't really apply to what we're talking about because I highly doubt that there's a transsexual that either of us have met that suffers from this disorder and is even a less likely possibility that anyone on this board was diagnosed with this at birth to elaborate on it.
And you're one fine woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by qwerty94
Again Merkurie I'm not mad at you bruh. I completely understand why you're saying the things you said. It doesn't make them valid points but we all have to choose which side we stand on when it comes to a particular issue. Especially one as devicive as this one. It's just unfortunate that many people just want to earn some to of applause line from the girls instead of standing on fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merkurie
It baffles me why this is something so hard for people to accept when I think that being transgendered is a beautiful thing.
Well, in the first place, I'm not your friend, or your 'bruh.' If you are suggesting that I don't know that an MTF transsexual was born with a penis, then you are similarly mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by dafame
I'm very happy for you, in that you are so proud of being a man. Are you so proud of that that you deny in others the right not to be proud of it, indeed, not to see themselves as men at all? Perhaps you are rather more insecure in your masculinity than you might like us to believe.
I'm also happy that I provoked you to do some internet reading and hoopefully to expand your knowledge a little. However, you have not really answered my question: AIS women have XY chromosomes, no ovaries, no uterus and no chance of ever having children. Frequently they have testicles, often remaining inside the abdominal cavity, and may have a vestigial penis, depending on the severity of the condition. Similarly they develop secondary female characteristics and their bodies do not masculinise, because they synthesise a natural version of a t-blocker. Now, do you consider them to be men or women? Simple enough, I'd have thought.
It has been claimed there’s nothing wrong with being what we were meant to be. But who meant me to be what I am? God? That’s a defunct idea. The Universe? Like the universe designed the things within it to serve a function and have a meaning. Biology? Chance? At conception my mother contributed an X chromosome and my father a Y. Did Chance “want” me to be a male, or was it just chance that I’m genetically male? Did Nature mean me to be a man in addition to being male? Does society? Is there really nothing at all wrong with being what society means you to be? So because I'm genetically male, does society mean[] me to be, want[] me to be a man? To function within the norms and customs as a man? I know there’s a very vocal segment of narrow minded bigots who do? Fuck them. And fuck their self-appointed spokespersons on this board. Can we not be self-determined and take responsibility for ourselves? Can we not be what we mean ourselves to be? Can we not please expect the respect that self-determination requires?
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Originally Posted by trish
That's the pretty typical response MacShreach. But ask yourself why do you feel the need to reach so far in their defense when they don't need defending? I'm sure there are several girls who will take offense to some of the things I've said simply because it goes against the "illusion" and that's just something you don't do. But why would anything I said upset you? Especially when I didn't say anything that should offend or piss of anyone (most notably the parts about how I love transsexuals and I think it's a great thing in itself--incase you missed these parts).Quote:
Originally Posted by MacShreach
Come on people lighten up. If you want to convince yourselves that they are woman no different then your mother then by all means do that if it helps you get through the day.
Me myself I prefer to live in reality and see there transsexuality as a virtue instead of something that is to be frowned upon. Now who sounds more like the person who hates transsexuals? Me, a person who blinds himself totally from the true self of the person he's dealing with. Just something to think about but I'm not expecting anything other than attacks to come from you at this point so fire away.
the same we "these people" are being so deeply defensive is the same way your being so deeply aggressive about your point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by dafame
the SCIENTIFIC answer to this question is while we are not biological woman we arent biological men either.
hormones do alot more than just give us boobs and pretty skin.it actually changes alot of ways very crucial internal organs function and look.over time our bodies and organs strive to function as much as a females as possible.tgirls have different sized brains than men (even before hormones),hearts functions differently,prostate shrinks,bladder shrinks,hips end up rotating forward,change in eyes shape,bone density changes,certain sweat glands become in active, and etc
so yes your right we arent biological women but we arent men either..when was the last time you got a mammogram..something you as a man will never really have to worry about but already my doctor does breast exams on me and the pleasure that is a mammogram lies waiting in my future...
Oh, no, I'd just like to hear your answer to the question I posed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dafame
Well now you're going to cause some people's heads to explode.......can't imagine what category they're going to try and plug you into! Thanks for being lucid.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I wonder if your number one fan will feel the need to rebut anything you wrote.......those 1 percenters are quite the rebels y'know ;)
Thanks for the affirmative nod, runningdownthatdream...and you too MacShreach, long time no see. ;)
Here's looking at you too, Trish.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Happy for me that I'm proud of being a man? That was just too weird to even respond to. On a serious note though yeah I found that facinating. When I typed that in and got the definition of it I was like "ah this is what it must mean to be hermaphordite". Enlightning, and yes I owe you for that but again bruh it doesn't have anything to do with the topic. Plus as we both know I just did some research on it now and don't know enough about the condition to have an opinion on it other than the one I just gave you. But again I'm missing your point??Quote:
Originally Posted by MacShreach
Indeed. Do you consider women with AIS to be men or women?Quote:
Originally Posted by dafame
I worry about Ellery sometimes, just saying.
She self medicates a lot..hasn't really been to a gender identity specialist.
So as beautiful as she is, she hasn't exactly taken time to understand whats going on inside of her.