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Is there any point in joining the Kimber James website when most of her material is freely available on various torrent sites?
I've seen 100s of her videos now totally free of charge. So I wonder....how many "NEW" ways can she get screwed that I havn't seen?
Have paysites had their day I wonder?
lol my dude!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe join her site its not like 30dollars is expensive..for a month and to help fund newshoots etc ...models with solo sites . myself as examnple the money i make from my site goes back into booking models/. locations. outfits etc camera kit etc, hosting ..
personallyi am all up for streaming only now bandwidths are getting more quicker and more stable /lower costs for people .. and there is some very secure methods of streaming that are costly to the owner but lock out piracy much more ..i cant even remember the last time i downloaded a movie , i jsut stream movies on the sites if they have it.. much easier for me i find..
if somone cant afford 30bucks these days , how can thy even afford the internet lol and lets be honest 30bucks is what a few beers less a few packet of fags less a month ..
if everyone didnt pay for porn then it would be dead yes ..as there is no ROI for the studio/models etc ..
I don't think people consider that Liberty.
Every kid I know downloads free music like crazy yet Gaga and Katy Perry keep making the mega hits. The labels moan about how it's cutting into their margins but no one seems to care. If the songs stopped coming maybe that would make people stop stealing content.
say no to piracy mmmmmmmmmmmmk?
My god dude. Even I wouldnt just blurt something like that out. lol.
Thats a err really good erm point yea.. get back to you on that one. :)
Thing is though about the streaming, bandwidths are getting cheaper yes(just not in america) but the download limits are lowering as well. Comca$t has 250gb, but some people have like 100gb or even 30gb. It's too random and would only limit people's viewings.
Come to holland, unlimited downloading yo! :dancing:
Just say no to paying for porn! I haven't paid for porn since I discovered the internet in 1997.
As to the argument "If everyone stops paying for it, the actors will stop making it," well, cry me a river. I guarantee there will be tons of amateurs uploading their stuff, so who needs professionals? Also, why should they get paid to fuck when the rest of us have to get a job we hate?
It's not that 30 quid is a lot, I think it's the fact it's a subscription.
If there was an iTunes for porn where you pay for what you download - all quick and easy with a sleek interface, I think it would do very well!
Or how the Kaiser Chiefs are allowing fans to choose their own artwork and tracks for the new album, maybe allow porn fans to pick their favourite stars to act out the scenes in adult movies.. ?
That's a good point Loveboof and that IS the future of how porn will be, an Itunes type system. You can see the VOD models at http://www.groobyvod.com which works well for DVD's and then we set up http://www.buddywood.com/vod/ and http://pkvegasvod.com but their is need for a better system.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveboof
amazing how many retards on this site indeed ..
Streaming wont stop the pirates. Its not that hard to capture the stream and if by any chance it will be difficult/impossible you can always just do a digital recording of what goes to your monitor. Might be a bit of a hassle, but then the pirates can upload it to their own illegal sites and make money.
The ones that pay and want to download are the stupid ones then...
Good point Liberty - no money no more new content to download off torrents.
I'm not sure who you're referring to here, but dgs925 has a point. If the whole porn industry collapsed because of free internet porn (which it won't), then there will still be naked pictures and sex videos and whatever else people want to see online.Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
It is in the hands of the industry to become more innovative, not the issue of the consumers. If porn websites can no longer compete, then they deserve to go under imo...
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Originally Posted by loveboof
Porn a la carte what an excellent idea.
but its not amatur we are talking about .. we are talking about professional shot material being ripped off ... that costs lots of money to produce ..if people want to see gilrs like kiumber james etc if they cant earn money they wont shoot its that simple ..then their fans will not be able to see them anymore ..that is what we are talking about .
Hell any cunt can shoot webcam videos and stick it on xhamster its not hard is it ..but how long till people get pissed off that everything is shot crap, poor lit, crappy angles etc ... as that is what amatuer porn is about ... home made porn ... no lighting, no cameraperson moving around to open the scene for a viewer ... dont be naive ..
ITs also in the hands of people to not be thieving cunts ...as a member of public you dont just walk into a car show room and steal a fucking porsche do you ... you dont just walk into a supermarket and help yourself to food without paying do you .... sp dpmt try and make out its not a problem when it fucking well is ..
Piracy will never be stopped its impossible thats a certainity but it does need to be reduced and if people are bitching that tehy cant see xyz scenes on free sites anymore easily as companies are working hard on getting scenes taken off etc, then boo fucking hoo..
shave your armpits :)
bleach your skin :)
Exactly people complain about the quality and productions of porn now..if people paid more the productions and quality would go up.
Models would be paid better and production companies could afford more!
i am european we like hairy armpits ... actually i dont mind hairy armpits as it goes
to be honest though kelly its pointless even taking on this forum about serious things like piracy etc ... as most of the pople will never pay for porn anyway lol
Well when people are stealing and profiting from it, then it is somewhat in the hands of the consumer. You have a choice whether to buy that $500 TV from the guy in the pub for $100, knowing full well it's been stolen from your neighbour or a store and that you are perpetuating crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveboof
The tube model isn't really the issue and some sharing content among fans has always gone on and it's acceptable, it's the file lockers where a handful of people, download the content from your site the day it goes online and then uploads it to a filelocker (like rapidshare) and then they make money from people who sign up to the rapidshare premium options. Those uploaders are clearly breaking the law - and so is anyone downloading it.
Businesses don't deserve to "go under" when crimes are being committed against them, they deserve to fail when they are offering poor customer service, poor products and fail to compete.
True anything you talk about serious on here is never talked about...Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
I brought up the Cal Osha meeting and barely anyone commented.
How condoms are going to become mandatory etc.
You think the viewers would care me..
I'd actually say that many of the people on this forum pay for porn which is why I continue to promote here, to allow photos to be shown and to engage people directly on these issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
We even have a "report piracy" link which people use:
http://www.grooby.com/piracy/
they dont understand nor care kelly that is why ... i am done on this thread xx
i been reading about that meeting abit online as well ...
well the ones saying they dont pay for porn and will never certainly wont sign up ... i think HA is split into members .. i think there is a silent core that signup to sites, and enjoy pics etc posted under fhgs ..
then there is the usual crowd that maybe a few joinsites here and there, your franklins etc ... then i think yoiu have the crowd that just like bantering / trolling etc ...
Keep in mind Liberty there a thousands of people that view this board daily who just don't post.Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
They don't post because of the drama or find it too mean.
Or just register to look at the pics and what is going on.
Is it not possible to have a conversation on here without someone becoming aggressive?Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
If you can't see the difference between someone stealing a car, and a person watching a few clips on a tube site then there really is no point talking to you.
I understand the concept perfectly well - I work in the music industry. But tbh, I can see more innovation and ingenuity on behalf of these 'mainstream' industries than on the samey porn sites that spring up everywhere.
Those vod sites seanchai posted are a good idea, and as soon as they become better designed they probably do represent the future...
but its not just someone watching a few clips is it .. we are talking about the blatant ripping off and mass uploading of stolen/pirated content ..dont be so stupid to think its not. if that was the case then no one would be bothered if it was just a few clips here and there ...
So if it just a few clips from each town in each county, in each country, kinda racks up eh :) Theft is theft, if some asshole joins your site to deliberately rip all the content to upload file sites then yeah thats Theft and yeh that is just as serious as stealing a car.. least cars are insured and you get your money back ...
But most of the people you are so vehemently attacking are in fact the people who just watch the clips.Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
I am not denying that theft is involved, and that there should be a solution - but we're not talking about a commodity in the same sense as a car or food at a supermarket. What about a friend of that person who knowingly purchased a stolen tv coming round to watch something, are they guilty even if they too know it is stolen?
I understand that you're a porn star so want this to be cut and dry, but it is a difficult issue. Millionaire rockstars suing kids is not a solution...
kimber needs to learn how to cum
The main problem is signing up.... i don't think anyone mentioned it but if you pay 30$ per site for only one model how much content will you get?
Yet if you want variety, and its obvious no one wants to be married to a specific porn material, then you will want to sing up for other sites. So how many sites can the common consumer afford at $30/month?
There needs to be more sites like bang bros which mesh together many different sites for a reasonable price. As far as i know the only one that has this and with trans porn is reality kings, but its only one site in their network (not sure if yum bundles their sites)....
If there was more sites with gg porn and more trans porn material of high quality like BB and RK then i think more people would sign up.
The problem is that now a days every model wants to make their own member site. I remember about 15 years ago this was not prevalent, so it was mostly member sites. Now girls want to make their own profit because its perceived as being more profitable than shooting for a member site like say bobs. The problem is that now so many girls do it that the consumer is left with few options, and the TOTAL profit of the industry will start getting divided into all the member sites and these new entrepreneurs. This forces everyone to try to maximize their bottom line by cutting their losses (as piracy) and the consumer to look out for his bottom line which is free porn if they want variety ....
If you obsess over one model then yes you will want to sign up, but if you get bored of the same girls always what option do you have? Girls want independent model member sites that are profitable and get pissed at the consumer who would not pay for their site so goes and gets the content in an illicit manner.
Most consumers will not dish out ~$100 monthly in member sites. So this business model is not very profitable if we consider that the consumer has a finite amount of disposable income that he can direct towards porn.
This is why sites like RK, BB, and other 'networks' are fine despite much piracy because their model is like comparing Walmart to a mom & pops shop.
The entrepreneurs need to come up with different ways of making money instead of every single girl making a member site. Member sites need to be more like BB and RK, to get their the costumer base they want; that is people who won't pay. If for 30$ to 50$ a month you can get high quality material with gg, and ts perhaps even gay, and constant updates then the free porn consumer base will choose if they want crappy streaming over HD quality porn for a reasonable monthly price. More consumers sign up, and now you are making money from a base which you would not be able to tap before.
Given there will always be those who will not pay, but minimizing the gap should increase profit..
Now thats a damn lie and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
:iagree::Bowdown::iagree:Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiser1one
This sums it up pretty well.
That argument doesn't stand up whatsoever. It is exactly the same, the same processes of manufacture and investment have went into that commodity and X amount need to sell, to recoup that investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveboof
If that's the basis of your argument for piracy, then it's failed. Yes there are many gray areas as in your example of somebody watching a stolen TV at a friends house but the simple fact is, if it's been taken from the owner, without their consent it's stolen and anybody viewing this on tubes or filelockers IS aware of this.
I thought on the SMC network you could signup to all the girls sites for $30-$35??Quote:
Originally Posted by bartholomeus
Pathetic argument - you are worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgs925