Black Transphobia and Homophobia...MCDONALDS beating

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

Going simply on your use of the word "negroes", you deserve to be harrassed by a black person more so than you currently are. Aside from that, you mention when it's not black people, you're harrassed by Latinos trying to act like them... I'm interested in how "they" act, as I didn't get the latest memo on how I, as a black person, should act when coming in contact with random white people?

As to your not seeing "white people having as much problems" with minding their own fucking business, may I direct you to our current military foray in Afghanistan? May I direct you to similar expeditions in Iraq? Do you need more examples? Shall I break out a history book and go into how Hawaii became a state? Should I mention the colonial period in Africa or perhaps go into US involvement in the Phillipines? Or do you just want me to focus on examples within the last twenty-five years? Maybe you just meant with regard to an individual's sexuality, and aren't aware that sodomy laws specifically meant to target gays were created by people just as white as the ones who killed Matthew Shepard? Let me know; it's a lazy Saturday for me, and I've got plenty of time, newb.

It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

Please don't remind me about that thread... That said, I can see one very good reason why a girl wouldn't deal with black men now that I couldn't then, and it has nothing to with not having the agreed upon "donation". As to people on HA, many are just hateful period, even hating the fact they're on the site to begin with. You may recall the thread where one guy went on about how he was "addicted" to transsexuals and was trying to break the habit or whatever... That's the type of bullshit I'm talking about. Something is wrong with me for being attracted to transsexuals. Self-hate at its finest right there.

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Originally Posted by LittleGuy

It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

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When did you last run a survey?!

Daft to tar anyone and everyone with the same brush on a global level - sheesh.

giggles..

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Originally Posted by sweet485

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

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While it is clear that transphobia and homophobia is a problem within some black communities, it’s also clear that generalizations from people like you contribute more to problems than solutions.

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Originally Posted by TJ347

Please don't remind me about that thread... That said, I can see one very good reason why a girl wouldn't deal with black men now that I couldn't then, and it has nothing to with not having the agreed upon "donation". As to people on HA, many are just hateful period, even hating the fact they're on the site to begin with. You may recall the thread where one guy went on about how he was "addicted" to transsexuals and was trying to break the habit or whatever... That's the type of bullshit I'm talking about. Something is wrong with me for being attracted to transsexuals. Self-hate at its finest right there.

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What is the reason you see why women"DONT DEAL WITH BLACK MEN"?

I thought a lot of the guys who were standing around the cameraman seemed more Hispanic than Black, you can catch a quick glimpse about half-way through.

You can be a bad knobhead regardless of race or colour. trust me having grown up in a 99% white area ...

Lol sammi

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Originally Posted by LittleGuy

What is the reason you see why women"DONT DEAL WITH BLACK MEN"?

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I'm imagining, based on member reports of various escort experiences, that a bullshit experience would lead to a problem with said escorts walking away with hundreds of dollars if the trick was black. Look at the guy who did a review of Nikita Coxxx recently... I know if that was me, she wouldn't have walked away leaving me with nothing to do but give her a shit review.

I think that the chances of conflict in such a situation are far lower with a white guy, which is not to say that all white guys are pushovers or anything like that, just that I think the percent chance that a client will accept a girl being super half-assed and still pay for it would be higher with a white guy. Maybe not though...

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Originally Posted by SammiValentine

You can be a bad knobhead regardless of race or colour. trust me having grown up in a 99% white area ...

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:iagree::iagree:

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Originally Posted by sweet485

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

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I agree

Is the OP fucking serious? The problem isn't race, it's class, and plenty of white people are in the same boat. :?

Eww! I smell troll. :geek:

~BB~

When you have control of the media, and the way your race is portrayed in said media, of course opinions like this happen. See the attached picture as an example...same actions, different way of reporting it.

I did a search for other attacks on transgendered individuals. When a black person is the attacker, it's widely reported that the attackers were black. When it's another race who is the attacker, the race of the person is swept under the rug. Really. I've yet to see a headline state Whites beat [insert race here] or Latinos, or Asians, etc. I know it's happened numerous times, but you have to search really hard to find it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/10/lapd...ng_of_tran.php

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...guilty-beatin/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515623,00.html

But hey, what can I do? I know I act with dignity...as do many other blacks I know. But that's not going to change anyone's minds about a full race. They'll just say we're "well spoken" and are "a credit to our race". Once a bigot, always a bigot. I just try to avoid assholes like that. :fu:

^^^ That's just wrong.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

When you have control of the media, and the way your race is portrayed in said media, of course opinions like this happen. See the attached picture as an example...same actions, different way of reporting it.

I did a search for other attacks on transgendered individuals. When a black person is the attacker, it's widely reported that the attackers were black. When it's another race who is the attacker, the race of the person is swept under the rug. Really. I've yet to see a headline state Whites beat [insert race here] or Latinos, or Asians, etc. I know it's happened numerous times, but you have to search really hard to find it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/10/lapd...ng_of_tran.php

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...guilty-beatin/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515623,00.html

But hey, what can I do? I know I act with dignity...as do many other blacks I know. But that's not going to change anyone's minds about a full race. They'll just say we're "well spoken" and are "a credit to our race". Once a bigot, always a bigot. I just try to avoid assholes like that. :fu:

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THE BATHROOM BILL
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55799


YouTube - Lawmakers To Debate 'Bathroom Bill'

YouTube - 'Bathroom Bill' Bullshit!

YouTube - [006] re: bathroom bill (lgbt rights)

YouTube - Pastor Dave Welch Hatred for Transgender


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/...or-gay-rights/


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Local woman fights for gay rights

Written by Allison Wingate | | news@toledofreepress.com

Toledo resident Brandi Fasnaugh said the fight for equality goes beyond this month.
June marks national Gay and Lesbian Pride month, a celebration of the impact gay lesbian and transgender persons have had on the world.
http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-co...nitybrandi.jpg Brandi Fasnaugh

Fasnaugh said she tries not to let ignorant people faze her, but it’s hard to stay positive when she’s openly ridiculed.
One recent encounter with discrimination was in a bathroom in Columbus.
She was lobbying on behalf of Equality Ohio, an advocate group for gay and lesbian rights when a trip to the restroom led to a disheartening conversation.
“When I walked into the restroom, I could hear two women talking to each other between the stalls about someone who had been in the bathroom when they walked in earlier,” Fasnaugh said.
They commented on that woman’s “masculine appearance” and how it made them uncomfortable. One of the women looked right at Fasnaugh as they continued the conversation and stated that women like her should use the men’s restroom.
Feeling ashamed and embarrassed, Fasnaugh initially decided to internalize her pain. But when a colleague noticed something was wrong, she was encouraged to speak out.
“My shock and upset then turned into frustration, as well as a renewed sense of why the Equal Housing and Employment Act (EHE) is such a fundamental component for the everyday life of all citizens regardless of sexual orientation,” Fasnaugh said.
“One can be denied access to housing, employment and even public accommodations based simply on who they love and what they look like,” Fasnaugh said.
Kim Welter, program manager for Education & Outreach for Equality Ohio, said what happened to Fasnaugh is a prime example of how some people think it is acceptable to behave that way.
“Most of us figure what’s right and wrong, for the most part, by what’s legal and illegal,” Welter said. “By passing the EHE Act, that would add sexual orientation and gender identity to that list of conditions upon which you cannot discriminate.” That’s kind of the start, and if people knew that these things were illegal, I think they’d think twice before they behaved that way,” Welter said.


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/...or-gay-rights/

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Originally Posted by sweet485

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

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We have profound problems in our culture like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, inequality etc. etc. I mean, the list is seemingly endless.
Remember that hate is taught. And we, as a society, can unteach it.
I think we need to reeducate people to rid the world of the blind intolerance that exists between races and religions....
But it'll take a lot of effort.

"What would you do"? Anybody know that show? And let's just say the person in question wasn't transgendered but black. Would people be sayin this is an outrage,,etc,or would it just be another publicized beat down?

as he says: would it just be another publicized beat down?
I agree completely. It's getting media attention because it's a little, white girl and because it's lgbt related. If you think they report every shooting/assault on the news, you're crazy. If this happened locally, I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

With a crime rate of 68 per one thousand residents, Jacksonville has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 15. Within Florida, more than 70% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Jacksonville.
According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime in Jacksonville is one in 113.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

When you have control of the media, and the way your race is portrayed in said media, of course opinions like this happen. See the attached picture as an example...same actions, different way of reporting it.

I did a search for other attacks on transgendered individuals. When a black person is the attacker, it's widely reported that the attackers were black. When it's another race who is the attacker, the race of the person is swept under the rug. Really. I've yet to see a headline state Whites beat [insert race here] or Latinos, or Asians, etc. I know it's happened numerous times, but you have to search really hard to find it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/10/lapd...ng_of_tran.php

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...guilty-beatin/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515623,00.html

But hey, what can I do? I know I act with dignity...as do many other blacks I know. But that's not going to change anyone's minds about a full race. They'll just say we're "well spoken" and are "a credit to our race". Once a bigot, always a bigot. I just try to avoid assholes like that. :fu:

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Its all about the numbers.
What do they say?
The numbers say it all and there is no getting around that.
Its not about "portrayal" its about actions and attitudes.
Blacks have a BIG problem gays and trans people....
Im so sick of these fake and phony ass negros on HA ALWAYS coming up with excuses.
Blacks will NEVER denounce violence because we are violent.
Im saying it and its 1000 percent true and I dont care who doesnt like it.

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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

Its all about the numbers.
What do they say?
The numbers say it all and there is no getting around that.
Its not about "portrayal" its about actions and attitudes.
Blacks have a BIG problem gays and trans people....
Im so sick of these fake and phony ass negros on HA ALWAYS coming up with excuses.
Blacks will NEVER denounce violence because we are violent.
Im saying it and its 1000 percent true and I dont care who doesnt like it.

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Dunno what little box you live in but try looking around the globe sometime and i think you will see that people of all colours are violent, don't get it twisted get it right, the human race as a whole can be very violent

As for the op here is some of my nut juice for you lol :jerkoff

interpretation yeah right

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/att...1&d=1303591155


THE BATHROOM BILL
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55799


YouTube - Lawmakers To Debate 'Bathroom Bill'

YouTube - 'Bathroom Bill' Bullshit!

YouTube - [006] re: bathroom bill (lgbt rights)

YouTube - Pastor Dave Welch Hatred for Transgender

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Originally Posted by natina

THE BATHROOM BILL
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55799


YouTube - Lawmakers To Debate 'Bathroom Bill'

YouTube - 'Bathroom Bill' Bullshit!

YouTube - [006] re: bathroom bill (lgbt rights)

YouTube - Pastor Dave Welch Hatred for Transgender


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/...or-gay-rights/


http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-co...nitybrandi.jpg


Local woman fights for gay rights

Written by Allison Wingate | | news@toledofreepress.com

Toledo resident Brandi Fasnaugh said the fight for equality goes beyond this month.
June marks national Gay and Lesbian Pride month, a celebration of the impact gay lesbian and transgender persons have had on the world.
http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-co...nitybrandi.jpg Brandi Fasnaugh

Fasnaugh said she tries not to let ignorant people faze her, but it’s hard to stay positive when she’s openly ridiculed.
One recent encounter with discrimination was in a bathroom in Columbus.
She was lobbying on behalf of Equality Ohio, an advocate group for gay and lesbian rights when a trip to the restroom led to a disheartening conversation.
“When I walked into the restroom, I could hear two women talking to each other between the stalls about someone who had been in the bathroom when they walked in earlier,” Fasnaugh said.
They commented on that woman’s “masculine appearance” and how it made them uncomfortable. One of the women looked right at Fasnaugh as they continued the conversation and stated that women like her should use the men’s restroom.
Feeling ashamed and embarrassed, Fasnaugh initially decided to internalize her pain. But when a colleague noticed something was wrong, she was encouraged to speak out.
“My shock and upset then turned into frustration, as well as a renewed sense of why the Equal Housing and Employment Act (EHE) is such a fundamental component for the everyday life of all citizens regardless of sexual orientation,” Fasnaugh said.
“One can be denied access to housing, employment and even public accommodations based simply on who they love and what they look like,” Fasnaugh said.
Kim Welter, program manager for Education & Outreach for Equality Ohio, said what happened to Fasnaugh is a prime example of how some people think it is acceptable to behave that way.
“Most of us figure what’s right and wrong, for the most part, by what’s legal and illegal,” Welter said. “By passing the EHE Act, that would add sexual orientation and gender identity to that list of conditions upon which you cannot discriminate.” That’s kind of the start, and if people knew that these things were illegal, I think they’d think twice before they behaved that way,” Welter said.


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/...or-gay-rights/

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Originally Posted by LittleGuy

It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

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pmsl is there a reason why you are called little guy, you wouldn't happen to have the syndrome that goes with such an affliction:geek:..............

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Originally Posted by sweet485

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

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Here have some negro nut:jerkoff you slut lmao ha ah ha ah ha

i have always enjoyed abit of black magic as they say :)

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Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

i have always enjoyed abit of black magic as they say :)

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In that case you can have some negro nut toooooo:jerkoff lmao

save some for me !! ;-)

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Originally Posted by SammiValentine

save some for me !! ;-)

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Hmmmm you want some as well......................... hold on here it comes baby aaaarrrrggggghhhhh:jerkoff lol

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Originally Posted by joeninety

pmsl is there a reason why you are called little guy, you wouldn't happen to have the syndrome that goes with such an affliction:geek:..............

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Hi gimmick account

http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...r-transsexuals


Committee votes 5-0 against rights for transsexuals


Backers of legal protections for transgender people mounted an all-out campaign for widening New Hampshire's anti-discrimination laws yesterday, holding a press conference to present personal cases, turning out en masse for a Senate hearing on the bill and excoriating opponents who weeks ago dubbed the measure the "bathroom bill."
But their late push appeared to fall short: The Senate Judiciary Committee voted unanimously, 5-0, to recommend killing the bill, which would forbid landlords, employers and others from discriminating against transgender individuals. The whole Senate will vote on the bill as early as Wednesday, along with a raft of other social issues.
The vote followed hours of emotional testimony, including from several transgender people - people born into one biological sex but who identify with the other - who said they live in fear of losing their jobs or worse when they go public with their struggles over gender.
Toni Maviki of Danbury choked up as she described being "harassed verbally and physically assaulted" by fellow Carroll County corrections officers who found out she was a man becoming a woman.
"I carried a badge, and I protected all you people, and there was no law to protect me from harm," said Maviki, who said she now works in law enforcement in Vermont.
Sarah Blanchette of Somersworth read aloud the letter she received from her company shortly after she told her bosses that she's transgender. "Upon consideration, you are immediately relieved of your duties," she read.
Opponents of the bill said they feared the bill would give carte blanche to predators or mischievous men to enter women's bathrooms or locker rooms. Several weeks ago, House Bill 415 burst on the public stage, with opponents, mostly Republicans, blasting it as the "bathroom bill."
"I am here in 2009 as a woman fighting for my rights," said Ann Marie Banfield of Bedford at the hearing yesterday. "Where are my rights? Where are my daughter's rights? I'm angry."
Others said the concept of gender identity as separate from biological sex violates their core beliefs.
"This bill actually discriminates against those who believe gender neutrality is morally wrong," said Rachel Robinson, a pigtailed ninth-grader from New Boston.
Supporters of the bill fought back hard against the "bathroom" label. Co-sponsor Sen. Martha Fuller Clark, a Portsmouth Democrat, said opponents had brought "the debate literally to the toilet by frivolously nicknaming this bill the bathroom bill."
"These objections are outright lies," Fuller Clark said. Of all the 13 states and dozens of municipalities that passed similar laws over the past three decades, she said, there's been "not one reported instance of bathroom miscontact."
Fuller Clark cited the fact that the New Hampshire Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence had come out for the bill, and she read from a letter co-signed by that group and the New Hampshire Women's Lobby.
The letter read in part: "We are saddened by those individuals and groups that are deliberately misleading legislators and the public by creating an unfounded fear about women's safety in connection with this legislation. Not only does this scare tactic detract from the very real issues of violence facing women in New Hampshire, it also ignores the serious threat to personal safety that many transgender and gender non-conforming people in New Hampshire experience on a daily basis."
Betsy Janeway of Webster told senators that one of her five children may be transgender. "I have enormous fears for her and pray for her," said Janeway, whose husband, Harold Janeway, is a state senator. "It is dangerous that there are no laws protecting her."
She urged people to read up on the matter - "close the bathroom door and open the library door."
All five members of the Senate Judiciary Committee voted against the bill, although Democrats on the committee spoke in favor of protections for transgender individuals

Sen. Matthew Houde, a Plainfield Democrat, said the bill had been "horrendously mischaracterized as something other than a nondiscrimination bill." He voted against the bill, saying he thinks the New Hampshire Commission for Human Rights - which judges cases of discrimination against factors such as sex, race and religion - already has the tools it needs to help transgender individuals.
Commission Executive Director Joni Esperian disagreed, telling senators that there are no state laws protecting transgender people and that the commission has been able to take only some cases of transgender individuals on the basis of a 1986 court case.
"It is a thread by which only one sector of the transgender population can seek the protection of the commission," Esperian said.
http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...r-transsexuals

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http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/...tional-debate/


Bill on transgendered restroom use draws heated, emotional debate

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Russ Dillingham | AP
Jennifer Levi, transgender rights project director for Gay & Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, addresses the Judiciary Committee Tuesday, in Augusta as they took up a bill to let businesses, schools and other agencies make their own decisions on who should use their restrooms and showers. Two adjacent rooms were filled with people on both sides of the issue patiently waiting to weigh in on the proposed bill

AUGUSTA, Maine — A bill concerning transgendered people’s right to choose which restroom they use generated heated debate at a public hearing Tuesday.
Dozens of people gave impassioned, emotional testimony on LD 1046, which would allow the operator of a restroom or shower facility to decide who can use which gender’s restroom.
The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Kenneth Fredette, R-Newport, served on the Maine Human Rights Commission when it decided that Orono schools and an Auburn Denny’s Restaurant discriminated against transgendered females by not allowing them to use women’s restrooms. Fredette vocalized his dissent against the ruling then and again at Tuesday’s meeting of the Legislature’s Judiciary Committee.
A transgendered person generally is considered someone of one biological sex who identifies himself or herself as belonging to the opposite gender.
According to Fredette, his bill would prevent the Maine Human Rights Commission from being able to find that public and private entities discriminate when they force transgendered people to use restrooms that correspond with their biological sex, but not gender. This then would prevent those transgendered people from suing, as the people in the Orono schools and Denny’s situations did, Fredette argued.
“The concept here is there is not an absolute right for a transgender to go into the bathroom they identify with,” Fredette said in front of the overflowing crowd Tuesday. “We have to draw lines in this society so we balance rights with the rights of everyone else.”
For example, he said, “What situation do we put young children in when they go into a private place and then what they perceive to be the person of the opposite sex comes into that bathroom? That could be quite shocking.”
But Tuesday morning Fredette was by far in the minority. During approximately four hours of public testimony, 30 minutes was taken up by the people supporting Fredette’s bill.
People against the bill argued the rest of the time that the measure would cause discrimination and force people who look and act like women to use the men’s room, which would make most people involved feel unsafe or uncomfortable.
Wayne Maines was one of the first to speak against the bill.
“Like many of you I doubted transgender children could exist,” he said. “However I never doubted my love for my child.”
Maines’ 13-year-old daughter knew she was a girl at age 6, even though she’d been born a boy, he said. She was happy and her friends accepted her. But by fifth grade things got scary and the family had to “go into hiding” to protect the girl.
“‘She came to me crying and asked, ‘Daddy, what did I do wrong? Daddy, please fix this.’ That’s what dads do, we fix things. I had to break her heart and say, ‘You have not done anything wrong sweetie, but Mommy and I do not know how to fix this,’” Maines said Tuesday, crying. “This bill places transgender children in a position of doom and hopelessness.”
Several organizations spoke against the bill, including the Maine Civil Liberties Union.
The bill puts businesses and schools in the position of “trying to figure out what someone’s biological sex is and if they’re wrong they open themselves up to liability,” said MCLU executive director Shenna Bellows. “It places the decision on the business owner and it places them in danger of legal action from all sides.”
While many people discussed the precarious situation of restaurant owners, Dick Grotton of the Maine Restaurant Association stood up for them.
Grotten took neither side of the argument.
“We need guidelines that we can follow that help us to not break any laws or break anybody’s rights,” he said to the judiciary committee. “Please, give us some direction.”
About 10 people spoke in favor of the bill, including Gov. Paul LePage’s legal counsel, Dan Billings.
“The governor’s position is that [the current regulations] really put businesspeople in a bad position with the law,” Billings said. “When they’re presented with one of these situations you have to presume the [transgendered] person is acting in good faith and if you don’t presume that you open yourself up to litigation.”
As Sydney resident Tim Russell said, “[Current law] has created a legal access that predators can use in order to accost women and children in public restrooms.”
“It is impossible for young children and women to safely determine whether or not the man — dressed as a woman — is a peeping tom, a rapist or a pedophile; and to continue to permit such a scenario to legally exist is unconscionable and inviting disaster,” Russell said.

http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/...tional-debate/

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Originally Posted by SammiValentine

You can be a bad knobhead regardless of race or colour. trust me having grown up in a 99% white area ...

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:):):)Classic definition of equal opportunity, Sammi.

Let's get it on the statute book. Will you call Shiny-faced Dave or will I do it?

Texas trans woman arrested for using female toilet



A trans woman in Houston, Texas, has been arrested after using a female toilet in a library.
Tyjanae Moore was arrested by police last Wednesday for “knowingly entering a restroom of the opposite sex” but trans groups say her arrest was unlawful.
Ms Moore said she told police she was in the process of transitioning.
She pleaded guilty to using an opposite gender restroom and was given credit for the two nights she spent in jail.
Speaking to Fox News, Ms Moore said: “I felt so belittled going to a jail over something so simple and stupid.
“When I came out, the female [officer] told me I wasn’t supposed to be and I asked if there was any particular reason why not. She said I’m a transgendered female and I was really shocked that they even stopped me for this.”
Trans groups say her arrest was unlawful because a city ordinance passed by Houston this year allows trans people to use the toilets which correspond to their new sex.
The ordinance says: “It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly and intentionally enter any public restroom designated for the exclusive use of the sex opposite to such person’s sex without the permission of the owner, tenant, manager, lessee or other person in charge of the premises, in a manner calculated to cause a disturbance.
Cristan Williams, executive director of the Transgender Foundation of America, which is based in Houston, said: “The arrest should have never happened.
“The City of Houston has given this victim explicit permission to use a restroom consistent with their gender.
“This means that the library patron was acting in a manner consistent with both state and local law. Since she broke no law, this is a case of unlawful arrest and imprisonment.”

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/11/24/texas-trans-woman-arrested-for-using-female-toilet/


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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

Its all about the numbers.
What do they say?
The numbers say it all and there is no getting around that.
Its not about "portrayal" its about actions and attitudes.
Blacks have a BIG problem gays and trans people....
Im so sick of these fake and phony ass negros on HA ALWAYS coming up with excuses.
Blacks will NEVER denounce violence because we are violent.
Im saying it and its 1000 percent true and I dont care who doesnt like it.

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Bullshit. The media is sure going out of their way to state that the attackers were black...and that's WITHOUT showing the video. On other reports I searched for where the attackers were not black, race was pretty much ignored.

And numbers can be skewed to gain the results you want. EVERYONE knows that. So fuck the numbers.

Plus, if I had problems with gays and trans people, I wouldn't be on this forum. Why would I? They're humans just like you and me. I can give a fuck about what someone does in their bedroom; as long as it doesn't affect MY well-being I don't care. But I DO care when people still decide to group in ALL people of a race, including those who try to live their lives in a good way. You think I like going out and being watched all the time? If I want something, I'll buy it; I don't have to steal anything. And no, I wasn't in a gang or anything; I know the chances you take and the results of being around that scene.

So don't give me that shit about blacks NOT denouncing violence. Violence isn't the only way to decide things. That's the fucked up thing about America. We just go to war without talking out our problems and trying to come to a solution. That's why this country has such a negative reputation. Not everywhere and everyone share this opinion though; I realize that.

And just as another poster said, ALL races are violent. Other countries have blood on their hands as well.

I signed the position, and I'm doing my part to let everyone else know about that position.

[QUOTE=sweet485;921622]The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.[/QUOTE

Yea...I saw the race of everyone involved, and anyone that protests to the contrary is straight up full of shit. It's an interesting question....not the way you framed it, and not on this forum, and you might have been better advised to ask the question if the African American communities have a history of intolerance against LGBT people, notwithstanding your problem with the harassment. I don't know the answer, but when you state the case as you did...undoubtedly it's going to be met with hostility...espicially with black folks, and frankly I wouldn't blame them for being offended.
Having said that, one must be on guard about sweeping in indictments about any particular race or religion. It takes work no question about it. The easy route is to traffic in those old stereotypes that every one of us is guilty of from time to time, me included.... but in thinking about the incident, I'm left with the impression that it's probably more about socio-economic conditions, education, upbringing, and ignorance than race.
Even college campuses once the headquarters of liberal tolerance are no longer safe. Ever hear about the incident at Seton Hall in NJ and the gay kid that leaped to his death after a You Tube of him surfaced? If I'm not mistaken the people that posted the vids were white and educated, so the issue of hate is as complex as the human brain. I still think it's more about upbringing that any other factor. If you're taught tolerance and respect as a child, it doesn't take Dr. Freud to tell me that chances are you're be more accepting of others sexuality, race and gender than if you were raised in a chaotic, violent, disrespectful, poverty ridden atmosphere.
I can't imagine this happening in Beverly Hills or Scarsdale NY, or the Hamptons or San Francisco...is that because those are largely white communities? I'm guessing not. It's because thier affluent, and education and affluence have a direct correlation. The race aspect of this incident cannot be overlooked to be sure, but all I'm saying is tread lightly. I don't know what the laws are in Maryland, but in many municipalities these slugs would be looking at a hate crime...regardless of the race aspect. And the by standers could have been protected by a statute similar to the Good Smaratian Law had they chose to come to the gurls defense, but they didn't. Shame on them, but I believe in karma...and thier day will come !

If you don't think that same kind of attack could have happened on a Saturday night in a tiny redneck town in Alabama, Whites only, you're crazy.

If anything you should know being on HA, transwomen face more discrimination and public abuse than any other subset of the LGBT community.

The only difference between this attack and countless others that have happened in the past is, an idiot recorded the whole thing on his cell.

No recording and that story wouldn't have even made it into the local B'more news rag.

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It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

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I don't hate Black people in fact I happen to like one or two ,although I must say going by the african americans on this site and other places I do find their attitudes quite amusing. And I have noticed with the black guys on here a real need to prove themselves'straight'. Making sure we all know they don't take it in the ass.In fact one or two do it in every topic.

But no,Gay bashing occurs in white communities as well. And please stop stereotyping just the rednecks, in england we had the case of a man who got beaten to death in london on the square because he dared to defend himself against homophobic language. But anyway, turns out according to the tranny the fight was over her talking to one of the girls boyfriends. That using the ladies bathroom story was told by the idiot who filmed it,obviously to try and show the tranny had bad character. (dirty pervert using the ladies toilet) etc etc. So it might not have been a gay/tranny bashing, or a hate crime at least because of her transexualism. but of course some are bad mouthing the victim now they find out she is a transexual. The police apparently are thinking of charging them with a race hate crime.