you think he's doing a good job or not?
what would you like to see him do next?
nothing rude or dumb please!
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you think he's doing a good job or not?
what would you like to see him do next?
nothing rude or dumb please!
President Obama is doing the best that he can. Because of his race, he has to be careful with what he says.
Imagine if John McCain was our president. He stated that he was prepared to go to war with Iran. Many within the Republican party are filled with hate against anyone that is gay, a person of color, or a woman. Rush Limbaugh and his Republican buddies are opposed to gay marriage, but Rush has no problem having Elton John, who is an avid supporter of gay marriage,at his marriage. Why is it Rush Limbaugh can get married four times but a gay or lesbian couple can't?
Go Democrats and President Obama!
From a Brit's point of view he's a breath of fresh air after Dubyer. Certainly seems to have better diplomatic skills (but then who doesn't?!). I guess we'll know for sure when we see how he handles Iran...
He will never live up to the hype surrounding his election. Not his fault of course. He was left a poisoned chalice by Clinton and Bush.
We are seeing the beginning of the end of the West's global dominance.
All the money is moving East.
Obama is an ass, the sooner he goes away, the better. He in an economic moron. Those of you that voted him in, should be completely embarassed by your choice.
You can't simply keep printing money and spending more. He doesn't keep his promises, only shadows of them (i.e. his self-proclaimed health care reform victory, Guantanamo, Iraq, etc...) Mostly though, I can't support what he is doing to the country economically. It's very, very scary. I think, in the end, he turned out to be just another politician that really doesn't help things out or really have enough persuasion on the congress (who really make the rules).
he blames bush for everything not impressed wont vote for him again. Dont like he is playing class warfare as well.
He's an idiotic moron!
Piece of shit!
Apolegetic Socialist!
Embarassed he's the president of this GREAT COUNTRY.
Yes - I purposely used the small p!
Can I tell you how I REALLY feel?
I can't wait until the country gets Beck and Palin..or McCain and Palin.All of this "dressed up racism" thats taken place since Obama has been in office is pitiful.I've always supported our leader,regardless of whether i voted for him or not.Tea party,rallies on MLK day,guns at town hall meetings,is he christian or not,(although when he was running for office this didn't come up because of his former pastor.Dress it up,but it is what it is.The color of a mans skin has this country divided againQuote:
Originally Posted by CORVETTEDUDE
Can't wait til things get back to "normal".
Blame gameQuote:
Originally Posted by ohioguy13
Blame
So far absolutely no one has said a specific thing he has done that they liked. His supporters either throw out some ill-conceived red herring about race or say something about McCain or Palin, neither of whom are or ever will be President.
I don't think the American electorate is educated enough to be able to vote.
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Originally Posted by hyperspace
I think you nailed it.
and for many here:
Small minds talk about people
Average minds talk about events
Great minds discuss ideas
IMHO the anger we are seeing in America is as the result of economic factors. People are hurting and the media is reporting this which further stirs the anger.
The theoretical economic concepts that are being put into place are coming up against real world economics.
Before people jump all on this, understand we are just in the first quarter of the game.
I don't have a problem with him. Of course I didn't ever have the same lame expectations as the lunatic fringe. I include both the left & the right because, from everything I've seen so far, both sides seem to have had the exact same unpromised expectations whether they liked them or not. Both sides of the lunatic fringe seem to be extremely pissed off because he's not a commie. Neither side has a single viable alternative idea to contribute on any issue. It's all very entertaining.
I think that he came into office facing one the most difficult situations of any president. He at least has addressed healthcare, and is keeping his word on Iraq. And hell yes Bush did leave him with some serious problems, while the erosion of the US manufacturing base has been going on for a while (I say it really started under Reagan).
Also he is face with some of the most negative support. Republicans have shown they dont care about anything but getting back in power. That is the real shame. Fighting against healthcare reform, ignoring the needs to over twenty million people, without coverage. Fighting against financial reform, when the government had to come in with a 700 billion dollar bailout. They say they are for 'responsibility', but dont want to change a financail system that almost led to a world wide collapse. That pure hypocracy. It is now admitted that the anti gay marriage movement was a tool to bring out the Republican base.
I think that Obama is limited in what he can accomplish, by "party of no" which will stop at nothing to get back in power, including being allied with the goals of Al Queda. Claiming to want to "bring back God", but using the tools of Satan, is GOP standard behavior. Promoting anti government sentiment, but only for the purpose getting back in power. They very seldom reduce any government, except to channel money at higher cost to their related friends.
My major disappointment with Obama is that he is still allowing drone attacks in Pakistan. I think they are counter productive.
Lastly the holier than tho Republicans always said, to pray for our leaders. But now that a Democrat is in office the prayers have stopped. The Bible has not changed. But hypocrites only cite the Bible when it justifies their political greed.
The man is an economic moron---runaway unemploynent ---a crashing economy---those of you who voted for change you got it----how do you like it ?
So when did the factors which led to runaway unemployment start?Quote:
Originally Posted by THEbottom
Best President of my lifetime and just in time: now the world's a far more dangerous place on all fronts - we need this guy. He's heart, brain and spirit's in the right place - and race is not any issue to me and I believe, for most thinking people.
I think he is doing a piss poor job, he's health care sucks and nothing is getting done except spending money. Plus I'm sick of hearing he has to be careful what says or does because of he's race, what a crock of bullshit. He used that platform to get into office, don't make it an excuse now.
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Originally Posted by yodajazz
See, this is the kind of response I can't stand. No one with any sense holds up the ultra religious Conservative Republicans as the benchmark by which we should be governed. Saying that Obama is the lesser of two evils doesn't make him a good president, it makes him less bad than the alternative. The health care reform bill is AWFUL and benefits insurance companies more than the citizens. I believe we should have national health care and I also believe that this is about the worst way we could have gone about doing it.
August 15, 1971.Quote:
Originally Posted by yodajazz
But this particular recession started showing its fangs in 2004 & 2005. That's why the republicans were swept out of power in the Congress in 2006. Remember the 2007 stimulous tax rebate? Yeah, it was kind of half hearted & didn't really work. But it did stave off the financial collapse for a year or so. Couldn't hold it off forever. By 2008, the financial industry was insolvent across the board. Oh well...
Same old stuff. Better than Bush, but that's not saying much. Just the latest in a string of mediocrities.
Well, Obama isn't an idiot. (I'm not a fan of Obama. Nor was I a fan of Bush. But it's silly to label him as stupid. That's completely false.) A socialist?!?!?! Give me a break. We use that word, wrongly, to disparage people. I mean, what is socialism? What's the core and essence of socialism? Oh!, I know. It means overwhelming state power. WRONG!!!!!!! The core is democracy. Handing power over to the people. So that people can run their own lives. Now, well, either you like democracy or you don't. You decide. But at its core socialism is about deep democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSCURIOUS
Not control; be it state control or corporate control. PLEASE STOP USING THE WORD socialism to describe Obama. You can certainly describe Obama as: A MODERATE NATIONALIST WITH A FIRM COMMITMENT TO THE CORPORATE STATE.
But stop misusing the word socialist or socialism.
I cant say that I'm an expert on the Healthcare bill. So I cant say that you are right or wrong. The provisions have not taken effect yet, so how can you really judge? But if you are right about it benefiting insurance companies, I think the public health care option would have provided some honest competition for the insurance companies. But wasn't the that part of the bill killed by the strongest Republican opposition?Quote:
Originally Posted by tslvrnyc
I have no problem with you, talking about specific laws or government actions. I think that a part of healthly debate. But you have to be honest there is a lot of undercurrent, talking about his parents, religion, etc, which has nothing to do with government policy. There is a lot of brainwashing techniques led by the conservative media talking heads. You cannot ignore that. It translates into hate and anger, all to be used to get Republicans back in power. I'll use one word as an example; "liberal". That is a very general term, yet it has been associated with the most negative, unrelated terms, such a pedophiles. I often look at the comments. No matter what the story, the comments are filled with negative comments towards Obama and towards liberals, Democrats, etc. I would say at least 95% of the negative comments are simply name calling, and address no solutions to the complex issues facing us today.
I can see that the name callers, are not using reasoned arguments, but display symtoms of brainwashing techniques, using loaded code terms, to trigger emotions. The millions of people who elected Obama President do not all think alike, and they certainly don't hate America, which is illogical, yet used by many as making sense.
I do thank you for reading my previous post, whether you liked it or not. I could relate many specific things, why I don't think that several ideas, that Republicans assume are truth are really valid. And that should be part of the public discourse. But you have to admit that there is less than ever of it these days. That's what I'm talking about.
By the way I like Obama. I do not consider him the lesser of two evils. I do feel that what he could accoplish is limited by a system which grants undue influence to those with money. That then would relate to your complaints about the healthcare bill. He's working within the established system, making compromises. So how doe that translate into "hating America", and other nonsense terms?
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Originally Posted by TSCURIOUS
Thanks for responding to that other post. @tslvrnyc: That's a prime example of what I am talking. Terminology misused, by loading it was misleading meanings ('socialism'), falsehoods, (calling him and idiot), "piece of shit", when he was elected by millions of people who had ample time to judge his qualities. And how is this country supposed to be so great, if the majority of the electorate voted for a "moron, piece of shit"? So does that kind of post really lead to any intelligent debate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
BTW: There are many instances in the Bible where 'lies and deception" are said to be tools of Satan. So I'm backing what I said in a previous post, with this specific example.
You're welcome yodajazz -- :) We need a thoughtful and intelligent debate. To label Obama as stupid is silly. It's untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by yodajazz
I mean, again, we need thoughtful and intelligent debate. Tantrums are pointless... and counterproductive.
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Originally Posted by yodajazz
I can't really defend comments made by someone else. I never claimed Obama hated America, I find the accusation to be absurd frankly. I also can't stand the jingoism on the right; constantly invoking God while discussing America is simply cheaply pandering to the religious right. While I agree that the Conservative media does use a certain lexicon to create fear, I think that Obama's crowd actively stokes it. Take for example the birthers, they look like complete idiots to most people. Instead of showing his long form birth certificate, he withholds it to keep all these people looking silly. In turn, others will say that they're all racists for wanting for him to prove he was born here. His actions aren't one of a leader to reaches out to both sides, they're the actions of a leader who will do anything in the name of politics.
I believe our biggest problem is the two party system. It's created a binary system where everyone is liberal or conservative. They blindly follow the jingoism they're given and don't think freely and creatively on how to approach the problems we're facing.
I really don't have an opinion of Obama. I listen to FoxNews and Talk Radio and hear how he is bring the country down, a racist, and the mixed version of Hitler. I look at MSNBC and CNN and any other "liberal" news show and they say he is black Jesus. Time will tell what kind of impact he will make on the U.S.
I do think that he set himself up for failure. During the campaign, he made it seem like he was going to be this breath of fresh air, but it hasn't happened yet. I don't think he will get elected president again.
who is going to run in 2012?
I am going to say Mitt Romney for the Republicans is going to run again. I honestly think that if Obama wants to win, then he has to get the unemployment rate under control. Isn't it like 9.6% right now and that's not even counting people who have just given up looking for work.
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Originally Posted by yodajazz
You're right, ad hominem attacks have no place in a debate.
Regarding socialism, I don't think the term is misused as much as it's feared for silly reasons. I like to point out to people when they freak out at the word "socialism" that public schooling is socialist. Should we make parents pay tuition? Socialism works well for some things and for others the free market works better. Society benefits from certain things as a whole, like mandatory free public schooling, and without these things society would be much worse off.
It's amazing to me to witness the range of emotions elicited by the Obama administration from the electorate.
I can't think of a recent President who brought out the level of vitriol and demagoguery that BHO has, and the GOP was on CLinton's ass like clockwork 24/7 for 8 straight years.
Does anyone remember the run on ammunition at gun shows a year ago because there was a rumor that Obama was going to ban the manufacture of firearm shells and shot gun ball bearings??
Sometimes I wish Obama had nixed tarp and the stimulus package just to end Right wing voodoo economic policies once and for all.
WHenever the nation is in the midst of economic stagnation, the Republicans answer is, wait for it......cut taxes(!!).
Leading economic figures from previous administrations, including Alan Greenspan, have come out and stated publicly that not allowing the Bush era tax cuts to expire to the top 2% would explode the federal deficit, but still folks like Sen. Mitch McConnell lie outright to the American people that 'raising' the tax rate of the top 2% would hurt small businesses, and stall the economy, ( problem is most small businesses gross less than $250,000 a year).
I'm reluctant to turn the Oval Office and Congress over to a party that is fundamentally opposed to the existence of the federal government, whose 'solution' to the nation's economic woes is to cut social security, medicare and the Department of Education.
Obama screwed up IMO when he believed he had willing partners on the other side of the aisle who would work with the Democrats to right the ship of State and buoy the economy. How many times did he amend the Healthcare reform bill as requested by Republicans, only to have NOT ONE vote for it??
The GOP is willing to sit on their hands for the next two years if they feel it will cripple BHO's presidency.
We should have had a public option to compete with the private health insurers. Instead we have a multi-million dollar giveaway to the HMOs because the government is going to subsidize in the billions of dollars those who can't afford to buy private health insurance.
President Obama should have started out demanding universal healthcare, then negotiated his way down to the public option. By taking the public option off the table, he removed any leverage he had with those opposed to any healthcare reform.
I agree that Obama had to pursue healthcare reform before the midterms because he needed a filibuster proof supermajority in the Senate to get it passed.
Now the focus is back on the economy, as it should be, but with a divided Congress in 2011, I don't think another significant piece of legislation will be passed until 2013.
The Republicans are willing to burn down the entire people's house in order to get back into power.
Two-thirds of U.S. corporations don't pay federal income taxes, and 68% of foreign corporations that do business in the USA don't pay federal income taxes either.
Banks and companies are sitting on trillions of dollars that aren't being loaned out or spent on business expansion...all because they say they 'fear' Obama and what his economic direction is for the country.
The system has been rigged for a very long time to benefit those at the very top, and there's no way Obama, even if he were so inclined, can be expected to be America's savior.
ANd why is it that Americans expect this economic crisis to be solved in 2 years?? Pure idiocy. If another administration is elected in 2012, they won't fix it in four years either.
WIth the lack of a manufacturing base in the USA and U.S. corporations outsourcing their production overseas, unless a new e-industry sprouts up in the near future, we are all in for a long slog.
A sick, sick part of me hopes to God that Sarah Palin runs for POTUS in 2012.
And, she wins.
Oh, and Obama has governed as a moderate conservative from his first day in office. This socialist, commie crapola is Faux news spin.
Aint nothing free about public schooling...
The fact that he is the first president to appoint a transexual to a position in the White House, he won me over, if he hadn't already.
what i find the most fucked up thing about him is if u disagree w/ anything he does u are labed a raciest
- Pulling resources out of Iraq and applying to Afghanistan..and now the real threat of Pakistan...basic intelligence demonstrated..unlike Bush of course. Average marks.
- He continues homeland security policies put into place by Bush such as wiretapping without due process. Low marks.
- I wish people would "Health care insurance reform" from true "Health care reform" because all we do is juggle money around on the former and don't mandate process with the latter to make health care more effective and reduce costs.
I had more hope for the man when he talked about standardizing medical records electronically. If you've been to the hospital a lot and have had to repeat your medical history ad nauseum to the umpteenth doctor in the same hospital but just a different shift you can easily see a base problem eroding the efficiency and increasing the cost of the medical industry overall.
Paper records these days are an anachronism yet that's what most hospitals still run on and they never talk to each other or trade information without an act of God.
The medical industry overall makes a profit by keeping people sick, in the system, and charging expensive appointments to further sell a tiny, portable, easily manufactured product called pills.
Watch the next time you are in the doctor's office around lunchtime and see the hot young babes the pharmas use to whore up their product and buy the doctors lunch (rolling over all normal appointments of the patients while they are at it) and you'll begin to understand what a big business and setup this really is.
I think the pharmas are now employing more pussy than Playboy, occasionally you see the hot young guy as well. They probably keep tabs on which way your doctor swings.
Overall, there is no accountability for failure and no followup on getting people out of the medical system since there is more money to be made keeping them in. These are real reforms we need, not fucking around with giving free health care to the homeless and illegal immigrants that already clog our ERs every night.
Obama is of average to high intelligence which makes him a thousand times better than Bush but we need more to get us out of the pit we're in. I enjoyed and believed in the pre-election rhetoric of comparing the medical care industry to the old meat packing industry pre-FDA but it's been all talk and no substance concerning reform so far. Having the United States community pay for the homeless and illegal immigrants to enter into this profit making system isn't going to help all the people who aren't getting cured now. I'm not saying that's wrong or undesirable it's just focusing on things that aren't the real problem.
I voted for him and I agree with everthing you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by CORVETTEDUDE
The only reason I voted for him was because of all the racist attacks he was getting...and still is....
He is a BIGGER disaster then Shrub and I never thought that possible.
It turns out that Obama’s childhood
mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.
In
his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into
contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a
“hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004
U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.
However,
through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone
who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The
record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where,
at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son,
with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting
advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”
The
reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist
who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951
report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a
CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including
the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in
several communist-front organizations.
UMMM....................just read the book. His buddy Van Jones is an admitted commie too.
He might be the worst back stabbing sellout I've ever seen in my life. He's an absolute disgrace. On every possible issue he has betrayed his constituency in favor of corporate interests and I can't wait to vote against him. My only regret is that I have but one vote to cast against this despicable character.
My only regret is that I have but one vote to cast against this despicable character
Dont worry...........im sure ACORN will count you at least twice!!! Sad...