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Tucking Risks/Complications
This could easily be the most graphic posting I'll make on HA, if you have a weak stomach you'll not want to read it. Tucking can cause medical complications, believe it or not. I am learning this the hard way right now.
When you're tucked for prolonged periods of time (like 12 hrs a day or so) you've got these tight panties, gaffs, or whatever else holding everything up against your natal cleft (that's the area of skin between your butt cheeks). In this environment, you have so many hours per day of continual sweat, dead skin (your skin all over your body sheds dead cells constantly), and if you're on HRT on top of that your penis will discharge a fair amount of clear would-be vaginal fluid whenever you get turned on. This part of the body does not normally get a lot of air flow to begin with (the more butt cleavage you have, the more covered your natal cleft will be). The process of tucking restricts how much airflow the skin can get on top of that. Anywhere else on the exterior of the body, when dead skin, sweat, or oils from the body get into a pore or a hair follicle, they form a pimple. The amount of foreign compounds required to cause a pimple is invisible to the naked eye, that's why people with good hygiene can still get pimples, all it takes is for a microscopic amount of dead skin cells to fall into a large pore. But in the natal cleft region, since there is no airflow, it's moist, and warm, instead of forming into a normal pimple a pore that get something inside it forms into an abscess.
This abscess then, since it's in your ass (one of the parts of the body that stores the most amount of fatty tissue) starts feeding off of your fat tissue. As this process goes on the abscess slowly increases in size, the infection fills the void with infected fluid, and then that fluid needs to find a way out. The body then reacts to the under the surface pocket of infected fluid by forming a tunnel that then goes to the surface of your skin somewhere. At the surface, it forms a vent, and starts discharging the infected fluid out. The fluid then starts infecting the surface of the skin where it is discharging, irritating the skin, forming a sore, and itching. For abscesses in the natal cleft region the "vents" are almost always somewhere in that divet of skin between your ass cheeks. The abscess itself usually takes form somewhere off to the side, in either of the ass cheeks. You can have multiple tunnels or vents per abscess. You can have multiple abscesses themselves. If not treated fast enough the abscesses each can become the size of a golf ball or greater. In the early stages, everything mentioned is invisible to the naked eye. You might not know it's brewing inside you.
This is called Pilonidal Disease. Trans people are one of the highest at-risk groups for this condition, because of tucking. Other common at-risk groups seem to be GG's in their late teens to late 20's, and middle aged guys. For reasons not known, pregnancy and menstrual cycles seems to influence the occurrence of this in GG's. Years ago in the past, medical science used to think that this was caused by hair getting into pores, and thus it was thought of as a "hairy old man's disease." Since then that notion has been thoroughly debunked, anything getting into pores- however tiny- can cause this. Body oils, dead skin cells, and of course hair (any kind of hair, they have found pet hair inside abscesses from pet owners allowing their pets to sleep on their bed).
Except for in extreme cases, the vents can only be seen under good lighting while pulling the ass cheeks apart to make the natal cleft taunt. They will appear as pinprick pores (see this picture). In early phases the abscess will not always be visible from the surface, nor will it always be easily felt by touch. As it grows in size it usually starts to look like a wart or pimple, it will feel like a soft lump, and discoloration of the skin may start to appear on the surface (redness similar to a pimple). You'll notice in the above example there is a red dot in the skin in the upper left corner of the picture- that is the abscess. The tunnels would connect it with the vents shown in the natal cleft itself.
This cannot be treated except through surgery. There are two ways they treat this, the bad way, and the really bad way. Both are invasive, and when I say invasive I mean invasive. The not-as-bad way involves draining the abscess (example picture), they will cut it open so the inside of the abscess is exposed to the air to dry out (see picture). This is similar in technique to how they treat compartment syndrome involving legs. Scarring will be a problem, there will be an inch or two long scar in your ass at the site they cut open. This will be repeated for every abscess you have (some people have more than 1 at once).
But even that isn't always going to do the job. If this is not caught early, or if the first surgery attempt fails to clear the problem up, they have to do the really invasive surgery. They cut the abscess & surrounding area out of your ass. They cut out the swath of fatty tissue between the abscess and the vents (where the tunnels are). They then cut out the sore/vents on the natal cleft itself along with some surrounding tissue. Depending on the size of the abscess you will lose a significant chunk of your ass. Since this means removing most of the natal cleft (the skin between your ass cheeks) they will then need to make a flap using the "good" ass cheek.
To do this they will make a long cut down the length of your intact ass, and stretch the skin over what was the natal cleft originally. This will do two things, it will replace the tissue that had the sore/vents, and it will make the natal cleft shallower (or in some cases nearly gone). This is a very disfiguring scenario and the worst case scenario. Major reconstructive surgery will be required to try to get things shaped normal again and will not be able to hide all the scarring, which will be in some cases extensive. Example case. An extreme case would probably be a career killer for someone who makes their living from their appearance, because the scarring can be that bad.
My tucking process has consisted of simply tight thongs. From birth my suspensionary ligament (the muscle they cut in penis enlargement surgeries to make it appear longer) is very tight, consquently my penis never "hangs" even when soft- it sticks straight out parallel against the floor, which presents some unique problems for tucking, and the only thing that has worked for me has been using tight thongs. Anything else just doesn't seem to do the trick. About two years ago I started feeling pain between my ass cheeks, but assumed it was chaffing from the tight thongs since that was the only symptom I had at the time.
This month however, I started feeling pain in my natal cleft all the time, even when sleeping/naked. This was accompanied with a very severe itch. Curious I used a mirror to investigate and found a sore that runs my entire length of my natal cleft. It looks like someone took a razor blade, ran it 7-8 inches from my anal opening almost to my tramp stamp. It does not bleed. This condition is the only thing that describes my symptoms and the sore, so I pulled my ass cheeks apart and sure enough I found at least two vents. It took me a few days later to find the abscess. For me it is totally invisible to the naked eye, and on my left ass cheek (3-4 inches or so up and to the left from the top of the sore). My abscess, which I thankfully caught early, is about the size of a dime in size and spherical in shape. It is just below the surface of my skin, enough that it does not yet show. I could only find it by touch, and only when sitting down.
Hopefully the cut & air out process will work for me, because if they have to start cutting out all this tissue I am looking at loosing anywhere from 1/8 to 1/4 of my left ass cheek going by my measurements of the affected area. That's assuming they don't have to make a flap using the right to replace my natal cleft. This is not something to ignore, if you show symptoms, if you get a sore in your natal cleft do not assume it is chaffing. Get it looked at, before they end up having to go cutting chunks of your body off. You can not put this off, it will not go away and can only get worse.
I am going in next week to have them figure out how to proceed surgically and to see if they can put it off long enough for me to finish the semester so I can take my finals (the downtime from this can be weeks depending on severity, you will not be able to sit for more than a hour or two at a time until it is healed up). They'll probably have to do some MRI's to try to see what is going on down there, or if there are additional spots I don't know about.
I have not heard of this on any trans site anywhere, despite trans people being at very high risk for the disease. I have been asking around to see if any other MtF ts people have run into this problem and I have found a few others who have had to go through this and a few others who are facing the surgery in the near future. That's not counting the stories google turned up. I don't know if people are just afraid to be associated with what used to be called "a hairy old man's syndrome," or why this never seems to have come up on any of the popular trans sites. I don't care what people think of me, so I am putting this out there as bluntly as I can so people know to watch for it.
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I hope you are better soon!
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This cannot be treated except through surgery.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. SRS solves the tucking problem.
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I hope you are better soon!
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This cannot be treated except through surgery.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. SRS solves the tucking problem.
An orchi probably wouldn't hurt either, the less the panties have to pull into position the looser they can be and the less of a risk this would be.
But an orchi would in the long run be a good idea for anyone who plans on being on hrt for a while (like, for life). Staying at preop dosages for decades presents a wide range of problems like risk for kidney & liver damage/failure. Potassium level problems from spiro can lead to heart problems or death, the dehydration side effects of spiro can be very uncomfortable (foot cramps for me is the most amount of discomfort spiro usually gives me).
Have I mentioned on this board that long term spiro use is what gave me an irregular heart beat problem? Now it will intermittently skip beats, which feels kind of like having your heart race when under adrenaline, only its scary because it also can have nausea and light headedness. First time it acted up on me I thought I was going to die. So now I have to be careful and limit my caffeine intake, stay away from amusement part rides, not do any strainious exercise (not that the later two were ever something I cared for). If I can get rid of the testes (from an orchi or srs) I'd be able to drop or drastically cut back the spiro and the heart problems should go away after a while. My bloodwork hasn't ever shown my potassium or salt levels to be the cause of my heart problems, so it's a side effect of the spiro itself, not a side effect of the side effect.
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This cannot be treated except through surgery.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. SRS solves the tucking problem.
:roll:
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extreme tucking for too long and
your vas deferens and the main artery to your penis is in danger
tucking can be fun
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...756#post856756
dangers and joy of tucking READ WARNING !
http://translate.google.com/translat...nts/cont04.htm
http://kokansayoko.h.fc2.com/contents/cont04.htm
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My penis is too short to stay between my cheeks. Does tucking end up stretching the penis making it longer?
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http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=4638
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/58781831.html
Carmen Carrera's Gold Medal-Winning Tuck Game
With a little help from fellow Drag Race beauties Raja and Manila Luzon, Carmen Carrera celebrated her birthday by nearly performing in her birthday suit (or as Carmen calls it, her "every day suit") at Escuelita in NYC on Saturday night. The better version of Daisy Fuentes prowled the stage and moved her mouth lips to the music as her down low kibbles and bits lost all oxygen, turned blue and fell off out of the back. Being the consummate professional showgirl that she is, Carmen subtlety kicked it off stage and made a mental note to tuck a tiny oxygen tank up in there next time so her peen doesn't pass out. No, seriously, I don't expect a queen to divulge all her tuck game secrets, but does bitch have a trap door taint?! Even Barbie's crotch isn't as smooth as Carmen's and she doesn't have dick (I think)!
I'm not even going to try to solve the mystery of Carmen's trompe l'oeil chocha, because I don't even know where to begin. Instead, I'm going to use my energy to write to the International Olympic Committee and demand that they add tucking to their list of events!
P.S. - I guess Kate Middleton will have to find a new reception outfit now.
Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com...#ixzz1osbaa2d8
WHERE?! WHERE DOES SHE KEEP THAT SHIT HIDDEN???!!!
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A How-To on Tucking, for your reference...
"...the hardest part about everything, though, is the actual 'tuck'. Your testicles came down when you went through puberty. The goal is to try and put them back up there. Lay down on your back, and gently push them into your body and up. You'll need to spend a lot of time prodding and trying to find where they go, but once you do, they'll sort of 'pop in'. Don't force this. It shouldn't hurt too much. When you're laying back, they should stay in fairly well.
Once you get the hang of that, there are a few ways to keep everything in. My preffered method is to pull all of the loose skin from the sac towards my rear, and try and stretch it so there's no slack. That way there's no space for the testicles to pop into.
A firm control panty or girdle can do the job, if you just do that and push your penis back. For skimpier stuff, though, and when you can't wear something that bulky, tape works and can be worn with really skimpy bikini panties, etc."
Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com...#ixzz1osioSYxG
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who use this while working at a strip club,going to the ladies room and
even some with clients for there escorting or other relationships
many TS in deep stealth mode
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Hi doll < SONIA> 11/09 11:48
It is very painful and dangerous. You have to soak in a hot tub for about four hours and still its hard to get off.
We used that years ago when I used to work, so the guys couldn't find out.
If you did it good enough they could even eat you.
Blast from the past; Aunty SONIA
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who use this while working at a strip club,going to the ladies room and
even some with clients for there escorting or other relationships
many TS in deep stealth mode
CHECK THIS OUT
Hi doll < SONIA> 11/09 11:48
It is very painful and dangerous. You have to soak in a hot tub for about four hours and still its hard to get off.
We used that years ago when I used to work, so the guys couldn't find out.
If you did it good enough they could even eat you.
Blast from the past; Aunty SONIA
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