NYPD stop & frisk statistics (2009)

stop and frisks occur when cops question citizens who have done nothing outwardly suspicious to warrent police attention. Its routine LE proceedure in all American cities and happens every minute of the day, 24/7

89% of citizens stopped by police in NYC for stop and frisks were nonwhites (black and hispanic/latina)
per US census, nonwhites accounted for only about 50% of New York City's population.

yea, we gotta black president but we still have a ways to go as far as race is concerned

http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies...RAND_CT329.pdf

If they dressed and acted like our black president they would not have been stopped or frisked.

so if a black kid takes off his durag he won't fall into the 89% category?

Driving around in a fancy doesn't help any either. The police spotting the black driver automatically assume it's not his and that he stole it. (Blacks aren't wealthy - is the mind set)

fancy = fancy car

Correlation does not imply causation. I think most in NYC regardless of race would agree that most street crime is performed by non-whites. On the flip side, some of the most heinous crimes in history have taken place downtown in the Financial District. The difference is the latter is rarely prosecuted.

This is more of a class issue than race. I'd venture to say that these days at least half of new police officers are nonwhite.

I've only ever been felt up by New Jersey State Troopers and one court officer at Norfolk Superior in Boston.

Does the NYCPD at least have warmer hands?

Back in High School I was racially profiled in the 90s while in Washington Heights buying.........stuff

Too bad they pulled me over on my way in :lol:

Their assumptions based upon race were correct though. (I'm a pretty pale white guy)

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Originally Posted by thx1138

Driving around in a fancy doesn't help any either. The police spotting the black driver automatically assume it's not his and that he stole it. (Blacks aren't wealthy - is the mind set)

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is the mind set or is the reality?

Fact is blacks who get a lot of money, spend a lot of money. If they're the only ones on the streets with expensive ass cars and look real young, what do you expect them to think. Don't be naive seriously, most blacks live in ghettos. GET OVER IT. The president is black, but was raised by a white family and was elected by white people. So whos the ones who are still racist now? Crecker this-cracker that, I never dropped the N bomb to any negro in my life. Funny how everyone wants to talk about race while being ignorant and naive as fuck!

Bye.

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Originally Posted by thx1138

Driving around in a fancy doesn't help any either. The police spotting the black driver automatically assume it's not his and that he stole it. (Blacks aren't wealthy - is the mind set)

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Not unless they pop out a few more kids and score at the welfare line.

3.. 2.. 1.. Let the flaming begin.. :)

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Originally Posted by tslvrnyc

Correlation does not imply causation. I think most in NYC regardless of race would agree that most street crime is performed by non-whites. On the flip side, some of the most heinous crimes in history have taken place downtown in the Financial District. The difference is the latter is rarely prosecuted.

This is more of a class issue than race. I'd venture to say that these days at least half of new police officers are nonwhite.

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That is because most of the time it requires intelligence to commit "heinous crimes".

Caucasian white collar criminals own the media, the U.S. government, and make the our laws so does anybody in their right minds think that they would out themselves? Street crime averages about $2 million dollars a year, compared to $20 billion dollars a year committed by the white collar criminals of Wall Street.

Well Blacks are 8 times more likely than whites to commit a crime, Hispanics are 3 times more likely. The police know these statistics, really no mystery or racism.

When they start stopping asians, we have a problem. Whites are 4 times more likely to commit a crime than an asian. (Lack of driving skills excluded)

sounds like you just made up those stats

Hey Flabbybody and all other perpetuating racial differences... I didnt read anything in the study that said what the race or sex of the officers doing the "stop and frisk".

The study in itself is biased without that data. You and everyone else are assuming that the stops of minorities (african-american, hispanic etc) were done by a white male. It does sort of address the fact that different precincts have more minorities in them... Im guessing there arent a lot of stop and frisks done on Wall Street.... but it doesnt say they were excluded either. That would skew the stats.

Also, lets get back to the "white male" aspect. What if the stop was done by an afican american male on an african american male. Is that racial profiling... or would you say "no"?

How would you factor in a female officer? In my opinion, a female officer is going to frisk more people because of a higher perceived threat level. Im not saying a female is any less brave, only that walking into a group of males is going to set anyones threat level up...

I forgot to add... that ITS NOT ROUTINE is ALL American cities. This article is a study of NYPD. Not Boston, LA, Miami or anywhere else. I have friends who work in those cities (except LA) and that is not a "common practice".

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Originally Posted by flabbybody

stop and frisks occur when cops question citizens who have done nothing outwardly suspicious to warrent police attention. Its routine LE proceedure in all American cities and happens every minute of the day, 24/7

89% of citizens stopped by police in NYC for stop and frisks were nonwhites (black and hispanic/latina)
per US census, nonwhites accounted for only about 50% of New York City's population.

yea, we gotta black president but we still have a ways to go as far as race is concerned

http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies...RAND_CT329.pdf

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we're talking about internal policy of NYPD
I wonder how much individual discretion police officers have when it comes to stop and frisk

you brought up a valid point

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sounds like you just made up those stats

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Never, facts don't lie nor show prejudice. The statistics I quoted were pulled from the "Race, Crime and Justice in America. The Color of Crime" full report available here: http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

Or use the U.S. Dept of Justice, "Bureau of Justice Statistics".
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/vrace.png
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/orace.png

If a cop asked to frisk me with out just cause in Hawaii I would tell him to read the constitution.

How is this legal anywhere in the US?

FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

Law enforcement officers can engage anyone they want in a normal discussion. Hi... how are you? Anything like that. It does not give them the right to search you.

There is a gray area that cases have been made over when and officer shows up someplace... in a normal routine and a person takes off running.... or acts suspiciously. If the officer fears for their safety, they can "pat frisk" someone.... but there has been evidence thrown out because a "pat frisk" lead to finding drugs say in a box of cigarettes. How can an officer justify he felt a box in the persons pants and feared a box of butts?

If it's not a lawful search, yes, the person might get arrested but everything found is thrown out... no matter what it is. Its called the fruit of the poison tree.

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If a cop asked to frisk me with out just cause in Hawaii I would tell him to read the constitution.

How is this legal anywhere in the US?

FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

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Originally Posted by DaveinBoston

There is a gray area that cases have been made over when and officer shows up someplace... in a normal routine and a person takes off running.... or acts suspiciously. If the officer fears for their safety, they can "pat frisk" someone.... but there has been evidence thrown out because a "pat frisk" lead to finding drugs say in a box of cigarettes. How can an officer justify he felt a box in the persons pants and feared a box of butts?

If it's not a lawful search, yes, the person might get arrested but everything found is thrown out... no matter what it is. Its called the fruit of the poison tree.

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Minnesota v. Dickerson clarifies the issue of contraband during a terry stop. The contraband can be admissible if it was found during the pat-down for a weapon. The contraband has to be "immediately apparent" to the officer. The officer cannot manipulate an individual's pocket to find contraband because doing so goes beyond a terry stop.

How can the contraband be "immediately apparent" to an officer? In court, the officer can claim that his/her experience (or training) led him/her to believe that it was contraband.

NYC is not what it used to be. Actually, it's gotten to be a haven for elitist pussies.

Nothing new here.

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I forgot to add... that ITS NOT ROUTINE is ALL American cities. This article is a study of NYPD. Not Boston, LA, Miami or anywhere else. I have friends who work in those cities (except LA) and that is not a "common practice".

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standard police procedure.
Not only here. The UK hired former NYPD chief William Bratton as consultant in order to implement the policy in London. They wanted him to run London PD but backed off because of potential public reaction towards a Yank foreigner in such a pivatal government position

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Originally Posted by Faldur

Never, facts don't lie nor show prejudice. The statistics I quoted were pulled from the "Race, Crime and Justice in America. The Color of Crime" full report available here: http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

Or use the U.S. Dept of Justice, "Bureau of Justice Statistics".
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/vrace.png
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/orace.png

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And I raise you this......

http://www.pen.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/952/prmID/1327

judge says "victims" of NYPD stop policy have a legitimate class action lawsuit against New York

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/op...and-frisk.html

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Originally Posted by JerseyMike

If they dressed and acted like our black president they would not have been stopped or frisked.

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Dude nobody wants to wear a fucking suit and tie all day and night long. the shit is an oxymoron !!! You have the right to dress with a doo rag on, an army hat, wear a hoodie, jeans so forth. People shouldn't be frisked just because the way they are dressed.

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Originally Posted by flabbybody

judge says "victims" of NYPD stop policy have a legitimate class action lawsuit against New York

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/op...and-frisk.html

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GOOD!!! as well they should.

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Originally Posted by Faldur

Well Blacks are 8 times more likely than whites to commit a crime, Hispanics are 3 times more likely. The police know these statistics, really no mystery or racism.

When they start stopping asians, we have a problem. Whites are 4 times more likely to commit a crime than an asian. (Lack of driving skills excluded)

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Since you said this, statistically who commit more crimes, African descent people or Caucasians?

I don't use the term black because I'm not black I am African descent and I never seen a white person in my life, it's all status classifications I know because I worked in law for many of years.

So don't answer as a black question answer it on an African descent vs Caucasian. :dancing: thanks

When I worked in a building next to a Met Police security checkpoint in the City of London in the early 90s, during the time of all the IRA bombings, we used to wonder just how many black guys the London cops seemed to think could be members of the IRA. (Clue: the IRA, being Irish, never had any black members).

Sadly, that basic race bias is every bit as bad as ever in the UK, according to the stats.

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Originally Posted by flabbybody

stop and frisks occur when cops question citizens who have done nothing outwardly suspicious to warrent police attention. Its routine LE proceedure in all American cities and happens every minute of the day, 24/7
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Actually, they have down something suspicious. It's a pre-requisite for a "terry stop". There has to be an articulate-able reason to frisk. It's done for the protection of the officer and only on the outside of the clothes in an area where the officer believes there to be a weapon. It's a search for weapons. This has been argued by great minds since 1968. Don't dumb it down for HA.

Funny...

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