Dismal, take your own conclusions.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719
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Dismal, take your own conclusions.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719
That's horrible, I made it through about a minute of the video. Israel is going to do horrible damage while still under the Bush umbrella. They won the fight, fair/unfair, just/unjust, or whatever. It was over a long time ago.
Life is ugly sometimes, and that's unfortunate. Hopefully things will improve.
Disgusting - and sanctioned by the West?
This should be shown on mainstream media.
What would you have Israel do...they get rocket attacks constantly from these areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Well, short answer, those rockets are crap and only result in civilian casualties on both sides, and Israel hits back pretty hard. Regardless of the issues, at this point some common sense has to applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
Is it just me or has anyone else put this together...
Israel is doing this now because they won't be able to in less than 3 weeks. Barack will not allow the Middle East to head down this path of destruction.
Israel will be held accountable for retaliation attacks. Because these attacks are killing lots of innocent people.
Israel has tanks, jets, weapons of all sorts. And Hamas doesn't. To me Israel wants to punish Palistine. Just like other nations in Israel's biblical history punished them.
The part of Israel that the Hamas rockets can hit has early warning systems and although yes it is bad to get attacked in any way you have be balanced on what damage it is actually doing. Almost none. The reports from Israel only say how many rockets Hamas fires, They fire a lot but with a death toll of 4. If you fire 80 rockets and only kill 4 that's pretty low. You don't see pictures of homes & businesses destroyed from Hamas rockets because there isn't much damage.
Yo Fred...come on dude lets be real..
The 80 rocket attacks from Hamas has killed a total of 4 people from Israel. 4 Dude. these rockets are home made with the force of half a stick of dynamite. While Israel who does have the right to defend itself has killed 400 in just 2 days. Is that equal? The Hamas rockets aren't hitting much of anything & every now & then get lucky & does hit something. Do you go in with Air strikes & 10,000 ground troops over that? The answer is No. Its like getting a hammer to swat a fly.
I'm not on anyone's side but these folks don't have an airforce. but yet they have fighter jets raining missiles on them.
They throw rocks & bottles at Israeli troops & get gunned down. That Ain't right. The fight is no where equal & shouldn't be allowed to go on. You don't punish a whole group of people because a few are bad. Israel holds control of one of the two borders and can allow or stop aid, water, food, money from heading to Gaza. They shouldn't be subject to that as a people.
Three weeks is a lifetime away. Something should be done now!
Correct. The problem is most people watch the major media, and don't realize the people getting blown up in these videos are just people heading to work, not hurting anybody.
4 deaths?
You need to put a bibliography at the end of your posts.
Bottom line, people are being attacked via people with explosives strapped to their body, walking into a pizza shack. The people of Israel react with bombing the hell out of Palestine.
Innocent people killed on both sides. I honestly have no idea what's going on over there. It's crazy.
great... now how am i supposed to get off
you have no idea. this video isnt shit compared what has already been happening.Dude my mother grew up in a middle eastern country. To be christian you can be beaten up because people think if your not their religion your like a devil or some shit now im kind of glad I know Arabic so if a muthereffer tryn to blow something up near me im running like woah hoe. :D.These attacks by the hamas are stepping stones to WW3. just my :2centQuote:
Originally Posted by hondarobot
Hey nerd is this good enough:
reported by the associated press yes only 4 out of over 80 rocket attacks:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians
Israel's bruising air campaign against Gaza over the past eight days began days after a six-month truce expired. Gaza health officials say the air war has killed more than 480 Palestinians in an attempt to halt Hamas rocket attacks that were reaching farther into Israel than ever before. Four Israelis have been killed by rockets.
Israel is taking a risk by wading into intense urban warfare in densely populated Gaza that could exact a much higher toll on both sides and among civilians.
Yo Honda its like what came first the chicken or the egg? Yes folks are strapping bomb and killing people but think of it as there version of an aircraft missile attacks since they don't have any any jets. This is not due to a bomber it is in response to small bullshit home built missile attacks. They aren't even killing a lot of Hamas folks its the innocent folks.
Lol. Hilarious CollegeGuy
I have no right to judge what anyone in that situation is doing, I'm not there. You do have to realize it is futile for Palestine to fight Israel, though? Right or wrong at this point. How could that battle benefit anyone? They can't win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos
This made me cry - I am ashamed of being a human after seeing that.
But, I hope to focus on being a better person this New Year.
Double post, doh
So true they can't win.
But you must think any group that is willing to die to the very last person for their beliefs.
You must respect that.
Hmmm I've heard that somewhere in history before:
Maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
By no means was the U.S. supposed to win. The British should have crushed us. But we fought anyway. Israel will crush them but the Arab nations will not allow it. There are too many nations Egypt, Syria, Jordan that would step in if it gets too far and it would be WW3. None of the Arab nations want to step in but will be forced to since their people in the streets will call for it.
Since Israel has the upper hand they need to try to come to some agreement, but if they do they don't want to look pressured or defeated. so they won't really try to resolve the issue. So it will go on till WW3. Funny the Bible starts with Israel and the 3 people left after WW3 will tell of history ending with them.
Nobody really want's to crush the Arab nations, the're cool. Generally speaking, you have more beautiful women, but you guys get kinda pissed off for reasons we don't really understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos
I don't understand it.
Lol.
Being from NYC I've been damn near every type of chick...I'd hit it.
The weirdest part might be
If they'd say "Ohh Allah" during sex.
I'm so used to hearing "Ohh God" or "Jesus".
lol
No, I don't respect people killing other people for their convictions, because then some person who couldn't care less gets caught in the crossfire. That's what happens, it's happening today, watch the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos
lets not forget some of their great political leaders shall we
http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm
People who are saying Israel is doing this are DEAD WRONG@!
Israel did NOT do this.
I smell BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos
Dude,Arab nations are what keep economy going. They have all the oil they control the world.
We the american people did this.
Israel can do NOTHING by itself.
Without american Israel would not even exist.
Why do "they" hate us?
Exhibit A
Some of the responses on here disgust me. The Hamas are a bunch of animals using civilians as cover who ALLOW it to occur, then you get angry with Israel for defending itself? It's ridiculous. Try talking to someone who is actually in the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) and learning about what the Palestinians actually do that is NOT reported in our media, you may have a different view after that.
I agree the hypcrisy of some here would be stunning to those who have not realised that this place has a nest of rabid leftistsQuote:
Originally Posted by Border80
for instance
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/wo...anon.html?_r=1
Can anyone who is mildly sane and not frothing at the mouth at the very idea that Israel is defending itself care to explain where was the horror condemnation and a thread devoted to the above on this site becauseI cannot remember seeing one.But then Israel is just meant to sit there and let those dirty bastards fire rockets at them. The fact is the Pallys are like the pikeys of the middle east. The only reason anyone in the middle east 'supports' them is because they are a stick to beat Israel with.
But at the end of the day it is the children of both sides who suffer because of Adults refusing to sit at a table and work things out.The British and Irish, unionist and republicans did it over Northern Ireland when there were two communities who hated each other and there is still hate and suspicion to a degree but at least the violence has stopped.Because people realised the futility of it.
America can't continue nor afford too keep backing Israel, world war 3 in the midst!
Try talking to some of the British forces when the IRA was killing women and children (and soldiers) - and funds were being collected for the IRA on the streets of NYC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Border80
Try talking to the German occupying army when the French Resistance were killing and bombing their soldiers.
Try talking to a Vietnam vet when the Vietcong were killing their friends.
I'm not making direct comparisons between these conflicts but my point is, obviously the IDF has a skewered view - and the Palestinians a different one. Yet many innocents are being caught in the middle and the strikes that Israel have taken seem to be taking down more innocents, than legitimate targets.
A little restraint.
Arnie, it's got ZERO to do with being leftist - that's a pathetic and sad comment for people who don't want to see innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of any war. Absolutely pathetic and shows your ignorance.
A question without answer i read in Vanguard News Network:
What a Jewy thing to do. Did you know that the Geneva Conventions - which Israel ratified in 1951 - prohibit using military force against civilians? But then, when you’re a Jew, rules don’t apply to you.
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
I don't post much but. If Hamas laid down its rockets and quit firing, made not threat against Isreal the fighting would end. If Isreal laid down its arm and stopped fighting Hamas would kill every jew they could. I could be wrong but i doubt it.
It is sad to see civilian deaths on either side. When you have a group who dresses like the civilian and hides amongst them it is going to happen. It happens when you have two uniformed armies. God be with the wounded and their families on both sides
Well, it's 6pm Sunday right now in Jerusalem. If anyone reading this forum happens to be in Gaza (and isn't a bad guy) you should get the hell out now. I suspect in around 10 hours or so a massive beatdown is going to occur.
Adios, Hamas.
It's only fair to show the other side's point of view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Texc...eature=related
I agree there are two sides to every story, I'm not disputing that at all. And I do think it's terrible that civilians are getting caught up in the mess however to purely blame Israel for the conflict is just wrong. Israel fires sound bombs before the actual missle attacks to warn civilians, not only that, the amount of aid and emergency supplies they are sending into Gaza has increased since they started the campaign, it's Hamas taking control of the shipments and refusing to allow the civilians to have access.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Overall, I'm tired of people defending the Palestinian government who don't allow basic human rights to many members of it's population.
hamas has been bombing civilians since june when they violated the cease fire. where is the outrage against terrorism? if any of you think that only nazis died in german, you are niaive. war is horrible, but inevitable. isreal is not innocent either, they have treated the palestinians like dirt since the inception of isreal.
Right now that video link everyone is looking at (unless it was changed) shows kids blown up when a "Hamas" truck blew up during a parade several years ago.
Israel has to take the offensive here and blow up supply lines , weapons depots...and military instalations in the Gaza strip NOW...before the rockets become more and more sophisticated and targeting becomes more accurate. It's unfortunate that civilians sometimes die..but it's impossible to avoid when the enemy is so deeply entrenched in civilian areas.
If Israel were to wait until they took huge civilian losses because Hamas weapons were more sophisticated..would everyone be happy then because then you could sit back and say .."Now there's a fair fight!! go at it boys"...There isn't a single ally in the middle east that Israel could turn to for help in a war. They are surrounded by countries that for political or ideological reasons want them destroyed..or at the very least, wouldn't care less if they were.
If that was the home some of you were living in that were threatened by rockets...I don't think you'd care how strong your government response was.
Raw; (2005) Hamas Weapons Parade Accident Kills 15, including kids
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Hamas parades weapons in Gaza, they blow up, killing 15, including kids
By israelinsider staff and partners September 23, 2005
Dead and wounded at the Hamas rally. Parading homemade weapons can be dangerous. (AP)
A pickup truck carrying masked militants blew up at a Hamas rally on Friday, killing at least 15 Palestinians and wounding 80, The PA Interior Ministry confirmed More...
Witnesses said the truck carried homemade weapons, and Palestinian security officials said the blast apparently was caused by the mishandling of weapons. Hamas blamed Israel, saying Israeli aircraft flew overhead during the rally. Israel denied it was involved.
Seven of the wounded were in serious condition, hospital doctors said.
The rally was held in the Jebaliya refugee camp. Witnesses said participants crowded around the pickup truck carrying militants when the explosion went off. The witnesses said the truck carried homemade weapons.
One man, who only gave his first name, Hussam, said he helped pull three men out of the pickup, two dead and one man who was still alive, but had a leg severed. The side of the pickup was charred.
The witness said he saw five dead children nearby. Dozens of children were wounded in the blast. The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al Qassam, is popular with youngsters. When the pickup with the gunmen arrived at the rally, many children crowded around the vehicle.
After the blast, men carried bloody body parts and lifeless bodies wrapped in blankets to nearby cars.
The dead and wounded were taken to nearby hospitals. Doctors initally said they had a total of 56 wounded at two hospitals, but Hamas later revised the figure to 45 wounded. The toll was later revised upward again on Saturday, to 140.
At Shifa, doctors had to treat patients on the floor of the emergency room because they ran out of beds. Masked Hamas men wheeled in casualties, including children.
Since it´s obvious that both sides have nothing to offer but propaganda, hate, racism and violence, you guys shouldn´t take sides. The Hamas is a fascist movement whose ideology traces back to the early 20th century. But only the Hamas targeting Israeli civilians and soldiers is not the whole truth.
The thing about it is Israel is the good guy to think that Obama is gonna do anything to stop Israel from defending itself is ridiculous Israel will do whatever it sees fit in order to defend itself have you forgotten that it is surrounded by people who see them as little more that walking sh*t and will do all in their power o take them out. Anyone who watches bodies being carried out of rubble should (1) remember that this is war although it is unfortunate the innocent do die I feel for the families of the victims but it is something that happens that is what makes war so horrible (2) question the source why are they only showing bloody children and women what about innocent men i'm sure their dying just as much it's all propaganda their showing these images because it builds support for a terrorist organization which as inflicted more than 458 (as of last night) casualties on the Israeli people. I support Israel because if you don't stand up to the bully your gonna be his b*tch the rest of your life
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