If the election were today and regardless of the candidate's VP pick, who would you vote for?
Why?
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If the election were today and regardless of the candidate's VP pick, who would you vote for?
Why?
Obama.
i pay for school with federal grants & i dont have any health insurance.
that just about does it for me.
OH YEA, AND I DONT HAVE 7 HOMES.
(LOL.did u see that ad?)
McCain's not knowing how many homes he and his very very rich wife has is less of a concern than the fact that he has said he is computer illiterate and does not have a firm grasp of economics!
Does anyone really believe that either of the candidates understands what the average person's life is like?
BTW, which is more of a hinderance to the voters; McCain's age or Obama's leadership?
Alyssa, forgot to mention that your new avatar pic is a top 5 all-time on this board! You are stunning.
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Originally Posted by Alyssa87
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy"
Just say no, voting only encourages them.
Which candidate's wife looks more like a tranny?
I don't get the big deal about McCain (actually Mrs McCain) owning 7 homes. I believe some are investment properties.
Why is this a problem?
Did you feel the same way about Kerry's wife being rich and owning a lot of stuff?
Do you know how Obama purchased his properties?
i'll wait for the official poll to cast my vote, thanks
I think McCain is a good man but sadly the republican party has become so enmeshed with big business special interest groups, far right religous extremists and economically unsound policy that the only hope for the US to avoid massive long term damage is a annialation of the republicans at the polls. The Republicans have moved so far away from the party of Lincoln and other principled Republicans that many of them can no longer relate to MCCain and think of him as a maverick. The Reps need to be destroyed so that they can rebuild.
Obama, without a question since Bush's entire evil crew has latched on to McCain and will be promptly placed BACK into all of their various nominated positions if he's elected.
People KEEP ON FORGETTING that they don't want to leave!! :shock:
Heh Heh...
It wasn't THAT long ago that some Democrats wanted McCain to run on their side...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...205.green.html
Obama-Biden might be able to win Illinois and Delaware. And that's a big might.
Obama.
Simple reason,
John McCain is a RACIST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3AM...eature=related
The fact that the United States is the ONLY developed nation that does not provide adequate healthcare for its people is an obscene tragedy. Even people with insurance are finding that it covers less and less.
Incidentally, as many of you know, transgendered people are completely excluded from healthcare coverage, in almost all cases.
Republican rule is impoverishing the middle class while enriching the drug companies, the insurance companies, and the defense industry.
Any one who votes for McCain is helping to perpetuate this absurd system of corporate welfare at the expense of people at the bottom. I will be voting for Obama, but I think Nader has the right agenda.
Corporate welfare at home and hugely expensively wars abroad (which enrich the defense industry) IS the Republican agenda. That is what you are voting for with McCain.
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Originally Posted by Nowhere
I totally agree with the quoted statements. I recently read that Republicans have tied help for renewable energy sources to continued tax breaks for oil companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Janie2261
But the most important thing to me is to hold the Republican party accountable for attacking Iraq under false pretenses. The taking of life for anything other than self defense is MURDER! I hope that everyone realizes that it was done to control oil resources in the region. In addition human rights have been trampled upon. This includes illegal spying on American citizens, when the legal means to do so was readily available. Also holding anyone for years without charges and the authorized use of torture techniques has done more damage than good. And it is immoral. The image of the US has plummet a lot more that the weakening dollar. I think Miss USA was booed at a recent Miss World competition, as well as other US participants at world events. Things like that are just a sign of how US prestige has suffered under Republican rule.
They should be held accountable for their actions.
The problem with McCains' homes is that the Republican machine positions the Democrats as elitist. They have already said that about Obama. They said it about Kerry, They started that with Bill Clinton around 1994, when they began to codify their attack strategies. Using this position then, they portray themselves as having the values and the best interests of common people, saying that they are like them. They are not. So their strategy is based on a lie and this housing issue exposes that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
But I will admit that the ‘elitist’ label strategy has been effective and is very important. McCain needs it to neutralize his poor college achievement vs Obama’s outstanding college achievements. Bush II needed it also, as he was a mediocre college student and John Kerry was a Medal of Honor. Kerry was ridiculed because he could speak French, where as in reality a president who could speak a foreign language could have been a diplomatic plus. So the ability to turn mediocrity into a political advantage has been a hallmark of Republican success.
I think it sticks in people's craw because it was the unchecked lending by the banks over the past ten years that put a lot of people in the position we have now, which is many homeowners defaulting on their mortgages, and the oncoming global recession. The republican party is seen as being ineffective in 'policing' the bank's unscrupulous activities. The fact that the leader of the party owns multiple homes is, while a sensationalist point, a pretty ironic one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
I disagree with the quote. The American people have not been voting consistently in their own self interests. If so, Al Gore would have won by a landslide. The budget was balanced and prosperity was at an all time high.Quote:
Originally Posted by PapaGrande
Of course you don't get it, you're a neocon. The point is how can you govern a Country of working and middle class folks, when you and your wife have had everything handed to you on a silver platter. There are a lot of wealthy people who had to work for everything they have instead of inheriting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
John and Cindy McCain are the true elitist. From there 7 homes to McCain's economic adviser "a nation of whiners". Only an elitist who doesn't have to worry about eveyday expenses would say something like that.
Wrong again. They were talking about him personally NOT his policies. He's no longer a maverick. Look at his voting record from 2000 to the present.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Out of touch with the troops coming home and working/middle class Americans.
I don't think it's a problem tht he owns 7 homes. The problem is that he didn't know how many he owned. Add that to the fact that he has said numerous times our economy is better than it was 8 years ago and his inability to understand he economy for the average person (instead of cuttig tax for multimillionaires and billionaires). He just doesn't get what it's like for the average person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
While I agree 100% with your assessment of the republican party I disagree with your assessment of McCain. I used to respect him as a fellow veteran and someone who stood on principal. As soon as he decided to run for Pres this time he jumped right in with the rest of the looney people. Bush, the religious right, etc. If he was a man of principal he would have nothing to do with the people who started the racist whisper campaign about him when he ran gainst bush in the 2000 primary. Instead he pulled them all in to his clan showing that all he really cares about is winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha2117
I won't even get started on his war mongering. There isn't enough space for that too! :)
:claps :claps :clapsQuote:
Originally Posted by goldensamba
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Originally Posted by goldensamba
DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on.
Oh yeah,
And he's a RACIST
:wink:
Don't be suprised if the democratic candidate wins the popular vote but the republican candidate takes the electoral vote ...
Yes. Another thing we need to change in our electoral system. He/She who gets the popluar vote wins. Since we don't have colonies anymore it's time to modernize.Quote:
Originally Posted by xrey
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Originally Posted by Alyssa87
But your young,pretty and have big fucking tits.
TRUST ME.
You will be picking up the return on those tits.....
Obama gets my vote.I honestly belive he'll surround his adminstration with the right people to lead this country in a better direction/McCain seems
loss whether discussing the draft,health care,his houses,economy,and especially this false war.
I will vote for neither major candidate, because they both lack competence to do anything good for the country. Unfortunately, I think too many ignorant people (college kids, people who know absolutely nothing about politics, and people without credible reasons to vote) will be hanging on the nuts of the democrats this time.
At least I will be laughing when Obama-sanctioned gulags are popping up in 2011, and I'm not in the country anymore.
Gulags? You have lost your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by D'yer Mak'er
I won't be voting for Obama. Not sure about McCain.
Oddly enough, McCain (actually I'm 61% for McCain / 39% for Obama . I'm worried about Obama's lack of experience and I feel that the democratic house and senate will keep McCain in check (Yeah.. I'm young (25) black and dominican AND democratic, but am also a realist). In addition, I REALLY do not think that Obama has the chops for the top position, given his campaign. I'm not sure he is a fighter. If McCain is elected, there would be GREAT checks and balances out there. It helped Clinton (he was elected with a repub house/senate).
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Originally Posted by tatsu1
wtf are you talkin about?
You say your a black man and you want to elect John McCain?
Which part of "John McCain's a racist" did you not understand.
I'm gonna just assume that you are NOT knowledgeable and try not to hold your ignorance against you and call you sellout because now, because of me, you are now a more informed 25 year old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3AM...eature=related
rookies
:roll:
Bush had the LEAST experience of any President.It is about the cabinet that a Pres. surrounds himself with,ie: vice pres.,sect. of state.etc. AlotQuote:
Originally Posted by tatsu1
of foolhardy people put bush in office twice,and have spent the last 8 yrs.
moaning and complaining.Go ahead,put McCain in there.Then go by you a cheap bike,see if its room in your local homrless shelter,and at your age get prepared for the draft.You'll be moaning and complaining 4 more yrs.
:claps :claps :claps :clapsQuote:
Originally Posted by sugdaddie69
I've not watched that video, however, I'm sure that it is in regard to McCain voting AGAINST the MLK holiday as the AZ senator. I'm no rookie sir. That is a HUGE point of contention for me, as well as a lot of other things. I'm just looking at the history of this country and knowing the full extent of the presidents power I know, that if elected there will be a series of checks and balances that will keep him in check. Politically, I'm a liberal repub. i'm FOR Affirmative Action, I'm FOR abortion, I'm FOR gay marriage, but I'm more in tune with the conservative "values" when it comes to fiscal policy. sorry. As i said, at this point, I've not made up my mind BUT Obama is way too liberal for me on certain issues. Frankly, i may not vote at all. Perhaps I will vote for Obama. We'll see they're debates where it is CLEAR where both candidates lie as far as issues go. I personally can't wait til' the general election. It will be a MEDIA BLOODBATH!!! lulz!
lol here we go, someone can't get into an OPINION with out a flame. One, I didn't vote for Bush... I voted for Nader and Kerry respectively . The reason why we are fucked up is because of the repub senate and house placating to the rubes over 9/11. I'm more angry at the dems going for the war. as I said, a balanced government is what gets things done and helps the country as a whole. Look up history guys: One sided administrations lead to the frustrations we have now. it's just my opinion... I have my reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by sugdaddie69
I have no idea what a flame is?
It's simple reading comprehension, sir. if you read the context of my post, and are literate (i'm sure you are) i'm sure you can figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sugdaddie69
It’s going to take more than experience to get us out of hole the Bush administration dug us into. We’re bogged down in two wars, a metaphorical war on terrorism (which is really a war against the individual rights of Americans to privacy and due process), we’re trillions of dollars in dept to communist China, the social security surplus (that was built up because millions of baby boomers paid more in than their elders were withdrawing) was gifted to the 1% of the wealthiest Americans in the form of tax cuts. John McCain promises to stay the course on every one of these sour policies. He’s got experience. Lot’s of it. But has he learned from his experience. He hasn’t learned that Iraq doesn’t share a border with Pakistan. He hasn’t learned the distinction between Shiite and Sunni. Hell, he’s got so much experience he’s going senile: he doesn’t even know how many homes he and his wife have.
What I want in a president is not necessarily the person with the most experience. First, I want someone who shares a lot of common ground with my perspective on the issues. Issues first. Second, I want someone who knows how to get things done through negotiation and compromise. We don’t need another railroader like George Bush. As far as experience goes, I want someone with enough of a history in public life that I can judge from that experience where they stand on issues and how they deal with people.
When we examine McCain’s experience we find a wealthy man who divorced his wife while she was suffering from a life threatening illness. After deciding to go into Arizona politics he sought out and married the daughter of one of the wealthiest men in the State. They have hundreds of millions of dollars. Even so, McCain (one of the Keating Four) took bribes in the Keating savings and loan scandal.
Obama grew up, the son of a single mother. As a young man he learned the value of education and worked hard. He’s called an elitist because he went to Harvard Law School. Yet what mother or father wouldn’t be proud to have a son or daughter go to Harvard and become the president of the Harvard Law Review? Any Harvard Law graduate, president of the Review can write their ticket. They can get a high paying job in any firm in the country. Obama chose instead to become a community organizer in Chicago. He and his wife have only just recently been able to pay off their student loans. Because of his rise to the limelight, Obama did make a fortune off the book he wrote when he was twenty-three. He doesn’t have hundreds of millions of dollars like McCain, who is superrich, but he his book did make him a millionaire. He is what the wealthiest Americans snidely call merely affluent. As a member of the 101st congress he helped forge legislation on terrorism, election fraud and lobbying. He’s shown himself to be of liberal persuasion with an ability to change minds and create compromise positions. That’s what true bipartisanism is about.
Nicely written, however, i believe that there needs to be a balance. Look at the Carter administration: rife with disaster because one party ruled all. Would it be nice to have a black president? Shit Yeah! But, to me, he is simply TOO liberal. We'll see where i lay as the general election comes closer and closer. McCain is annoying me with his extremely partisan rhetoric, hypocritical for a man who recently threatened to leave his party. As I said, 61%of me leans toward McCain... I was 75% behind him until his attack adds. I'm learning more and more about Obama's Energy Policies and his willingness to make concession (namely his stance on off-shore drilling, which, while McCain supports it, Obama's has a clear vision which has demonstratable results). We'll agree to disagree at THIS juncture. At this point anyone is better than Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish