She'll announce she's ending her campaign tonight in New York and congratulate Barack on winning the nomination
per AP report
let the fun begin
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She'll announce she's ending her campaign tonight in New York and congratulate Barack on winning the nomination
per AP report
let the fun begin
If thats the case then I will be voting Republican for the first time EVER.
Hillary votes will almost certainly push Mccain to an easy win.
check cnn she is not going to concede. anyway what's wrong w/ voting for Barack? I believe Hilary and Barack were both great candidates why vote for republicans.
Why becuase I can and will. I dont think Barack is ready to be President at this point nor do I agree with alot of his views. Hillary was and is the strongest person to be President. My options then are to do the following: not vote, Vote for Barack, Vote for McCain, or write in...........At this point I feel McCain is the stronger on International affairs and has more experience. Therefore my vote is for McCain.
it's all a dream....hillary will NEVER go away!!! she's like twinkies....or roaches, she'd survive a nuclear bomb
Please tell me which issues Obama and Clinton differ on, beside "universal" healthcare (what a joke your stupid health system is, sorry). I'm not being rhetorical, I would like to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by WendyWilliams
Wendy, while I won't go so far as to vote for McCain, I quite agree that Hillary is the stronger candidate. She and Obama have almost identical voting records, and their views are very similar, though where they differ, in almost every instance I prefer her stance over his (universal health especially, also on when and how to pull out of Iraq, GLBT rights, and more). More importantly, all along I've liked Obama and have thought he would make a great president...someday. Maybe in 2012 or 2016. A one-term senator who runs on a slogan of change is not enough, imho.
I don't like her tone in saying so, over and over, but I think she's right that she's better prepared and qualified to beat McCain in Nov. I hope Obama can carry the battleground states, but I'm a little worried that McCain will. We'll see. Maybe if she is offered and accepts the VP slot....
Hi Wendy,
I'm an Obama supporter, but I don't feel any animosity toward Clinton or her supporters. I think the two of them are closer to each other than to McCain on issues concerning the war in Iraq, health care, security, privacy and the rights of communities such as ours. The conservatives on the supreme court are already eroding our right to privacy and the pursuit of happiness. I think McCain appointees will probably overturn Roe vs Wade.
As far as Barrack's experience, he's in his forties. He's worked his way into government from committed social service. He's intelligent and knows how to select a broad range of advisors and listen to them.
After more than twenty years in national government and five years into the war, McCain repeatedly demonstrates he still doesn't know the difference between Shia, Sunni and Al Qaeda.
More than experience we need a person of reason who can learn from experience.
Please don't take this as an attack. I just want you to think about the democratic ideals you voted consistently for in the past and ask whether or not you're putting these ideals in jeopardy by voting for McCain.
just like she was full of shit when she told us 8 years ago that she had no intentions of running for the presidency, you can believe that whatever source claims she is backing out tonight is also full of shit. She will ride this thing until it is not humanly possible for her to win, and then she'll still find a way to stay in it.
But I hope I'm wrong . . .
Politics sucks big time. I hate our 2 party system. It splits the country and allows the special interests to corrupt the system. What we need is the allowance of a party like the green party or the libertarians to have a fair, fighting chance against the big two.
I disagree with more of the democrat policies than I do with the republican policies, but I am by no means a staunch right wing conservative. I would love to see a party come out that is fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. We spend way too much time worrying about trivial bullshit and not enough time and money on the things that matter.
Wanna solve the Social Security problem? Simple. Take away the pension that the congress gets (they get full pension until they die, and they make a damn good salary while in office). Make them look forward to SS earnings when it's their time to retire, and I fucking guarantee you that the mess will be resolved.
Anyway, I'm gonna stop here before I turn this into a long winded rant. I'm not a clinton fan. with me, her track record is just too full of switchbacks and BS. I don't believe anyone who has to change the way they address their public based on opinion polls--anyone who does that shows me that they don't really stand for anything other than winning and being on top.
:2cent
It should be noted that no one candidate's specific program on health-care is going to become law. Health-care is a complicated set of issues that will have to be designed and ironed out by both the white house and the legislature. What's important is that the both democratic candidate believe government has an legitimate concern in providing some form of universal health-care. The prevailing republican philosophy is that it's not the government's business.
Experience at what? Just curious. I hear this claim made a lot, & I can't help but wonder if there's any substance to it or if it's just an attempted meme.Quote:
Originally Posted by WendyWilliams
Oh, & welcome back, Trish.
Sorry for the double post. Here's some fake porn to make up for it.
Cosign with trish.
A vote for McCain is a vote for more of what we have now and know we do not like.
Im not going to sit here and debate and or try and persuade anyone. You are entitled to vote for whom you feel is the best choice for your views, life, and health.
Now back to porn!
Wendy,
Are you sure you want to vote for McCain? He is against Gay Marriage and was against a hate crimes bill that would have included the GLBT community. He also is willing to spend 100 years in Iraq. I am shocked that any TS admirer or TS will support a Republican considering the fact that they hate the GLBT comminity. If John McCain saw you, he would probably say that you are a freak and an abomination. There are people in the Republican party who probably would love to imprison you because you are transgendered.
Barrack Obama supports giving gays & lesbians civil unions, which are marriages, but don't use the title of marriage. He wants to pull the troops out of Iraq. People talk about experience, but look at what the Bush administration has done with its so called experience.
This is by far the most intelligent post on a political stand point. Career politicians and the constant battle between parties is what's wrong with the U.S. government. Alot of the acceptance of gay issues on the Democrat side is for votes and votes ONLY!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by needsum
Obama could become the next David Palmer :-)
I hate Hillary Clinton with a passion so I don't care who wins, as long as it's not Clinton
I think it's important to note that Obama actually has more experience as an elected official than Hillary. Moreover, his position is owed his own formidable capabilities, not those of the person to whom he's married.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
The thing that baffles me most when I hear people talk about Hillary's experience is her noticeable lack thereof. During her husband's two terms in office, Hillary Clinton did not hold a security clearance, did not attend meetings of the National Security Council, and was not given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. She played a similarly underwhelming role during his time as Governor of Arkansas. In short, her claims of superior experience are little more than specious nonsense meant for consumption by the uninformed.
And don't even make me get into her exceedingly smarmy character (even by political standards). "I voted for it, but hoped it would fail." Are you kidding me? Talk about a litmus test for retardation. I say good riddance to bad rubbish.
-Quinn
Actually, I told myself that if Clinton won then I'd vote third-party. It's not the issues, necessarily, it's the personality.
In 2004, I campaigned for Dennis Kucinich, might have gone for Howard Dean (although we assumed for a while he was going to be the nominee and campaigned against him) but just couldn't stand John Kerry's newfound war support (didn't he spend the last 30 years doing the opposite?!?*). So I voted for Ralph Nader (my ex-fiance at the time voted for the Green party candidate David Cobb, we argued much about this).
The guy I like is a Ron Paul supporter but I've got a whole list of reasons why I am staunchly opposed to him (not the least of which is my basic opposition to capitalism). He and I both hate the government, but for different reasons. Ron Paul criticisms. In brief, he's anti-gay, anti-choice ("pro-life"), pro-death penalty, and has dubious ties to other far-right personalities.
Only an idiot would vote for McCain, because 75% of the US realizes that the Bush presidency is a disaster (even if it took gas prices and a falling economy to make them realize it). McCain is very much looking for more of the same, he's not going to be the sort-of "alternative" Republican some people want him to be and that he's played on in the past. He's going for Bush presidency number 4 (1 Sr, 2 W).
I like Obama and I do believe he will help give people a voice. That's what the president is supposed to do. Bush proudly said that he had an agenda and he didn't care whether the people liked it or not, people said this meant he had "character" and "stood up for what he believed". What it really means is that we as a people lost much control over our Federal government. I do believe that Obama will, maybe not revolutionize, but definitely send the country in a better direction than it has been going in.
My biggest fear about Obama is that we will get our hopes up as much as we did with Bill Clinton and be severely disappointed. I also think that an Obama-Clinton ticket may get a large percentage of voters and "unite the Democratic party" but would be a disaster actually trying to lead with it. I know Clinton won't resign until the Party actually says Obama has won. We'll see what she says tonight....
* - What happened to his talks about people burning villages and skullfucking dead children? Then suddenly he's like "Look! I can fight a war, I was in Vietnam! I'm a good American!"
Zoe only a stupid CUNT would call someone an idiot for their personal choices. I know politics can be ugly but truly to call anyone an "idiot" for whom they choose to vote for is hardly an appropriate way to make a case.
And Bill Clinton will go down in histroy as one of the beloved presidents (see the polls) and the first to leave office with a totally balanced budget, I truly was not disappointed.
Oh well this idiot is going back to working on her tan.
Later
Thank you for pointing out something has baffled me for the longest. Why is it that people feel that Hillary Clinton has so much more experience than Barrack Obama (who has about as much experience as J.F.K. when he ran). I don't want to come across sounding like an angry black man, but I'm starting to really feel like "Oh no here comes that racism demon again". I only say that because I hear people talk about all of the things that are wrong with this country (we don't even have to go down the list) and how the current administration is directly responsible for them. I here these same people saying that they support Hillary Clinton and that she is best qualified to run/fix/change our country. Yet these same people say that they will be voting for John McCain to continue on the current path that they themselves don't agree with simply because Barrack Obama has been in the Senate for a short while less than Hillary?? I don't buy that for a minute. I think that these are people that are dying for change as much as the rest of us, but if that change or the prospect of change has to come at the expense of a black man being in office, well that's a price that's just a little too much to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinn
"In the four years since the insectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missle delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Quaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Anyone know who said this? I'll give you a hint-- it was in 2002, proir to the Iraq war.
thats not true, she said she isn't quitting till he has the magic number. AP as well as many other newspapers have been trying to get Hilary to quit a long time ago. Hilary said she isn't quitting. There are still voters left and still 200 undecided delegates.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
I totally agree with this, Obama wasn't good at being a senator he was in charge of the iraq peace group and hardly attended any meetings, he is just not ready. How is he going to handle being President if he can't handle being a Senator?????????????????????????????? However I would not vote for Mccain.Quote:
Originally Posted by WendyWilliams
But let me point out the stupity of american voters. People base their vote on how they look, if I could be "friends" with that person, or why they seem easy going and friendly. Which is just stupid and Zoe your post smells of it. You don't know Hilary Clinton you only base what the media says about her so you assume she's a BITCH.
Why don't you look at the facts instead of their personas. Their intelligence intsead of how they come off. Their ideas and if they could get it to happen, instead of taking everything they say for granted. And look at their record. Obama being an Illinois Citizen has been an awful senator. He has been bought off here to change his vote for electric workers. But of course this has gone to the media but people IGNORE IT. Just because Clinton is a WOMAN or they assume she is a BITCH.
Obama got a lof his own ideas from Clinton. He changed a lot of his stances through out the election. He agreed with her, because he saw what she was saying WORKED. He has no clue how to work with international affairs and what he says he will do is just EVIDENCE OF IT! He would risk his presidency to go talk to them? You don't just go over and say Hey I want to talk. lol
Clinton is respected internationally. She has already sat down with most of these world leaders and has been accepted as a woman from countries that don't accept women in power at all. But again NOONE looks at that.
Obama all he takes about is "CHANGE" But doesn't give facts. He is a good speaker so he repeats himself over and over again. Until finally all dumb americans hear is CHANGE. He will go good question then say well thats why we are trying to "CHANGE" that lol what are you trying to change. It aggravates me to no end.
Hilary speaks with you candidly. You ask her a question she gives you an answer. She tells you how she is going to change.
So you can go ahead and vote for him, but he is not ready, he doesn't know what the hell he is changing, his wife would be a better candidate than him. At least she puts her views across.
If he can't talk to the american country straight and candidly now imagine WHAT kind of president he will be.
THATS ALL
Didn't you Americans thought Bush would do a great job also? ;-)Quote:
How is he going to handle being President if he can't handle being a Senator??????????????????????????????
I think Obama will do great - eventhough I'm not left wing though - simply because he's fresh in the game. He's not one of those Washington old fossil.
@ Kelly
How as an Illinoisan can you say that. I mean would you rather that Illinois have Allen Keyes as our senator!?
All of this is academic now anyway. The game is up....
AP tally: Obama effectively clinches nomination
By DAVID ESPO and STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writers 16 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, ending a grueling marathon to become the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.
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Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial and gender divisions within the party.
The tally was based on public declarations from delegates as well as from another 16 who have confirmed their intentions to the AP. It also included 11 delegates Obama was guaranteed as long as he gained 30 percent of the vote in South Dakota and Montana later in the day. It takes 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination.
The 46-year-old first-term senator will face John McCain in the fall campaign to become the 44th president. The Arizona senator campaigned in Memphis, Tenn., during the day, and had no immediate reaction to Obama's victory.
Clinton stood ready to concede that her rival had amassed the delegates needed to triumph, according to officials in her campaign. They stressed that the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech Tuesday night in New York. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to divulge her plans.
Obama's triumph was fashioned on prodigious fundraising, meticulous organizing and his theme of change aimed at an electorate opposed to the Iraq war and worried about the economy — all harnessed to his own innate gifts as a campaigner.
With her husband's two-White House terms as a backdrop, Clinton campaigned for months as the candidate of experience, a former first lady and second-term senator ready, she said, to take over on Day One.
But after a year on the campaign trail, Obama won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, and the freshman senator became something of an overnight political phenomenon.
"We came together as Democrats, as Republicans and independents, to stand up and say we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come," he said that night in Des Moines.
A video produced by Will I. Am and built around Obama's "Yes, we can" rallying cry quickly went viral. It drew its one millionth hit within a few days of being posted.
As the strongest female presidential candidate in history, Clinton drew large, enthusiastic audiences. Yet Obama's were bigger still. One audience, in Dallas, famously cheered when he blew his nose on stage; a crowd of 75,000 turned out in Portland, Ore., the weekend before the state's May 20 primary.
The former first lady countered Obama's Iowa victory with an upset five days later in New Hampshire that set the stage for a campaign marathon as competitive as any in the last generation.
"Over the last week I listened to you, and in the process I found my own voice," she told supporters who had saved her candidacy from an early demise.
In defeat, Obama's aides concluded they had committed a cardinal sin of New Hampshire politics, forsaking small, intimate events in favor of speeches to large audiences inviting them to ratify Iowa's choice.
It was not a mistake they made again — which helped explain Obama's later outings to bowling alleys, backyard basketball hoops and American Legion halls in the heartland.
Clinton conceded nothing, memorably knocking back a shot of Crown Royal whiskey at a bar in Indiana, recalling that her grandfather had taught her to use a shotgun, and driving in a pickup to a gas station in South Bend, Ind., to emphasize her support for a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax.
As other rivals quickly fell away in winter, the strongest black candidate in history and the strongest female White House contender traded victories on Super Tuesday, the Feb. 5 series of primaries and caucuses across 21 states and American Samoa that once seemed likely to settle the nomination.
But Clinton had a problem that Obama exploited, and he scored a coup she could not answer.
Pressed for cash, the former first lady ran noncompetitive campaigns in several Super Tuesday caucus states, allowing her rival to run up his delegate totals.
At the same time, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., endorsed the young senator in terms that summoned memories of his slain brothers while seeking to turn the page on the Clinton era.
In a reference that likened former President Clinton to Harry Truman: "There was another time, when another young candidate was running for president and challenging America to cross a new frontier. He faced criticism from the preceding Democratic president, who was widely respected in the party."
Merely by surviving Super Tuesday, Obama exceeded expectations.
But he did more than survive, emerging with a lead in delegates that he never relinquished, and proceeded to run off a string of 11 straight victories.
Clinton saved her candidacy once more with primary victories in Ohio and Texas on March 4, beginning a stretch in which she won primaries in six of the final nine states on the calendar, as well as in Puerto Rico.
It was a strong run, providing glimpses of what might have been for the one-time front-runner.
But by then Obama was well on his way to victory, Clinton and her allies stressed the popular vote instead of delegates. Yet he seemed to emerge from each loss with residual strength.
Obama's bigger-than-expected victory in North Carolina on May 6 offset his narrow defeat in Indiana the same day. Four days later, he overtook Clinton's lead among superdelegates, the party leaders she had hoped would award her the nomination on the basis of a strong showing in swing states.
Obama lost West Virginia by a whopping 67 percent to 26 percent on May 13. Yet he won an endorsement the following day from former presidential rival and one-time North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.
Clinton administered another drubbing in Kentucky a week later. This time, Obama countered with a victory in Oregon, and turned up that night in Iowa to say he had won a majority of all the delegates available in 56 primaries and caucuses on the calendar.
There were moments of anger, notably in a finger-wagging debate in South Carolina on Jan. 21.
Obama told the former first lady he was helping unemployed workers on the streets of Chicago when "you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board at Wal-Mart."
Moments later, Clinton said that she was fighting against misguided Republican policies "when you were practicing law and representing your contributor ... in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago."
And Bill Clinton was a constant presence and an occasional irritant for Obama. The former president angered several black politicians when he seemed to diminish Obama's South Carolina triumph by noting that Jesse Jackson had also won the state.
Obama's frustration showed at the Jan. 21 debate, when he accused the former president in absentia of uttering a series of distortions.
"I'm here. He's not," the former first lady snapped.
"Well, I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes," Obama countered.
There were relatively few policy differences. Clinton accused Obama of backing a health care plan that would leave millions out, and the two clashed repeatedly over trade.
Yet race, religion, region and gender became political fault lines as the two campaigned from coast to coast.
Along the way, Obama showed an ability to weather the inevitable controversies, most notably one caused by the incendiary rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
At first, Obama said he could not break with his longtime spiritual adviser. Then, when Wright spoke out anew, Obama reversed course and denounced him strongly.
Clinton struggled with self-inflicted wounds. Most prominently, she claimed to have come under sniper fire as first lady more than a decade earlier while paying a visit to Bosnia.
Instead, videotapes showed her receiving a gift of flowers from a young girl who greeted her plane.
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Associated Press Writers Nedra Pickler and Beth Fouhy in Washington, Stephen Majors in Columbus, Ohio, Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., and Libby Quaid in Memphis, Tenn.
We won! We won! We shot the BB gun!
Brenda read what else I typed, I decided to add to it. Not to mention clearly AP is a Obama supporter. So I wouldnt believe a word of it. I know that many factory workers in Illinois lost their jobs because of Senator Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrendaQG
NO Bush cheated. He should of never held office his first term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinand
I think Barack winning with Hillary as VP would be the best possible scenario, but I don't think it's going to happen. If nothing else, since Baracks wife would be the First Lady, Bill would logically become the "First Vice Man". That would be cool as hell, and he'd have a great title to use in picking up girls.
"I was a US President, but now I'm. . . First Vice Man! Vice, vice baby. Break it down!"
Whatever is going to happen, I bet the next Democratic candidate will give his "make or break" speech tonight, just across the river from me, in St. Paul. We shall see. I'd go check it out myself, but I'm afraid that Dick Cheney will call in an air strike.
:wink:
What exactly is the "iraq peace group," and how was Obama in charge of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
As for handling being a senator, you should look into Hillary's failure to keep her promise to Upstate New York. What happened to her detailed plan to create 200,000 jobs for Upstate New York during her six-year term? Oh, that’s right, not only were no new jobs created whatsoever – the region actually lost 32,000 jobs. The greatest irony is that Clinton herself bragged about bringing Tata Consulting Services to Buffalo. For the record, that’s a company that helped companies in Upstate New York outsource many of those lost jobs to places like India.
I can’t say this comes as a surprise. Clinton has a childlike grasp of even the most fundamental, basic economic issues (and, yes, it’s even worse than McCain’s, and that’s saying something). Maybe she can impress us all with more economically ruinous ideas about a 5-year interest rate freeze.
-Quinn
Hmm strange Quinn, everyone is always talking about how great Hilary is in New York? And how well its doing. Can you give these news articles so I can read them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinn
He and a group of other men and women were supposed to find ways and ideas to show Iraqis how to cope with life after their freedom, get more on our side to want freedom, etc.
From my tenuous grasp of US politics, I would have thought that Hillary is the only candidate with the know-how or experience to deal with this huge economic crisis that EVERYONE the world over is feeling.
My finances will be shit for the next five years because of unscrupulous US bankers, so I would like someone with at least some vague financial history to be in charge. Even though Hillary's history is shakey in this regard, at least she has a history, unlike Mccain or Obama.
My ideal scenario (doesn't matter of course, being a limey bastard), would be Hillary for 4 years top put some kind of a salve of the money matters, with Obama following for two terms.
Still, as someone who has been follwing this with somewhat of an objective eye, I'm at a loss to understand just what reforms Obama is proposing to implement this change he talks about.
Thank you for another point on why she is a better candidate! I totally forgot about this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomfurbs
Well, since I have yet to have any takers, it was Then senator (D, NY) Hillary Clinton from Oct 10, 2002. Back then, and all the way back to 1998, the Democratic Big-wigs were spewing venom about how much of a threat Saddam Hussein was and how he needed to be stopped before he was able to secure WMD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by needsum
It is the tip of the iceberg showing just how fucked up our political system is and how people will say anything in order to look the part. Look how quickly all the "Dem's" turned on Bush, saying he lied about the WMD's. We took 13 months before going into Iraq, giving Hussein all that time to hide the shit that he supposedly had, that everyone claimed to have known about for years.
Here's my All time fucking favorite:
"I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Fuxking dumbass two-faced jerkoff . . .
@Kelly
"AP is an Obama supporter". AP is a HUGE INTERNATIONAL news agency. Do you really think that thousands of people are behind Obama. C'mon. The voters have spoken and Obama is the winner. Fair and square.
As for those factory workers (This will be a bit of a history lesson for those who are not from the great state so listen up.)....
Would a senator , or senator Allen Keyes have done better? I don't think so. Those downstate towns were based around one factory or one industry and when they were no longer economically viable they went away. NO politician could have prevented that. * That's what you and I are really talking about. Our choice was between Obama and total idiots.
* FYI Jack Ryan had to drop out because of a sex scandal his Ex-wife. [urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ryan=]Jeri Ryan who played 7 of 9 in Star Trek Voyager, accused him of trying to get her to go to swingers clubs. So psyched he was at being married to a woman like that. (she is built like a brick shit house as they say in the country)
Before asking me a question, would it not be proper to first answer my own previously asked question? Now, once again, I ask you what the “iraq peace group” is and how Obama was in charge of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
As for an article addressing Hillary’s promise to Upstate New York, here is one of many:
http://albany.bizjournals.com/albany...ditorial1.html
I don’t know if you watched it, but Tim Russert asked her about this specific issue during the debate he moderated between Clinton and Obama. Here’s an article that addresses when the promise was first made:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...ate/index.html
Now, how about answering my question?
-Quinn
No dear the delegates have spoken. Hilary still has the popular vote with over 17 million voting for her. If we are going to talk facts at least get them straight. And she still has the popular VOTE. Which says a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrendaQG
Umm I did Quinn???????????????????? look at what you quoted. And they asked Obama about changing the bill that he had passed basically after being bought out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinn
quote]No dear the delegates have spoken. Hilary still has the popular vote with over 17 million voting for her. If we are going to talk facts at least get them straight. And she still has the popular VOTE. Which says a lot.[/quote]
Yes it does--it says a lot about how screwed up our political system really is. We can have a popular vote, but it counts for nothing compared with the electoral vote. So in other words, the people have not necessarily chosen their elected leaders. Such a great system we have here. Time to get out the broom for a clean sweep.