Why are there SO FEW Getlemen Left?

It seems like plain and simple manners amongst most men are gone these days...

Wha tever happened to opening doors for a lady- pulling her chair out to sit- or standing when a lady leaves the table????

I'm lucky that my BF is one-

But I find bad manners amongst men rampant these days-

Especially YOUNG men.

im 23...i open doors for people pick up things when they drop them and everything...so who knows.

without blowing my own trumpet, i would say i was a gentleman. the thing is now people take the pi55 out of me for being so. seriously i'm ashamed of the way society is now, particularly in the UK. I insist on walking on the outside of a lady down the road/street, open and hold doors etc etc. I hold doors open for strangers and people don't even say thanks anymore. i wonder why i bother sometimes, but i still do. so there are a few of us out there, just fewer and fewer

It's the same reason many families don't eat Sunday dinners together (or any other day of the week), don't worship together like before, etc. Old traditions die out over time for better or worse. Not to mention our society is far more sexual than ever before, so the value of a woman is lost on many men especially if they don't have a proper male influence guiding them.

You know, I try to do the gentlemen-ly things with girls, but I never knew until recently that I needed to stand when they left the table. Thanks for the reminder on that one. ;)

EDIT: Oh and the feminist movement might have had an effect on it, too. :lol:

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Originally Posted by cantona5

without blowing my own trumpet, i would say i was a gentleman. the thing is now people take the pi55 out of me for being so. seriously i'm ashamed of the way society is now, particularly in the UK. I insist on walking on the outside of a lady down the road/street, open and hold doors etc etc. I hold doors open for strangers and people don't even say thanks anymore. i wonder why i bother sometimes, but i still do. so there are a few of us out there, just fewer and fewer

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yes- a lady should always walk on the nside of the street when with a gentleman

and you are right about opening doors for people- i do it all the time or hold them and some don't even say thanks you-

glad u are still left :)

yeah. i neer stood when a lady left the table, but otherwise, I do my best to be a gentleman. But in the long run it becomes manners = nice guy = FRIEND ZONE!!! plus a good chunk of women arent very courteous either. As my fave comedian Richard Pryor said "Chivalry is dead, but women killed it"

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Originally Posted by Fox

It's the same reason many families don't eat Sunday dinners together (or any other day of the week), don't worship together like before, etc. Old traditions die out over time for better or worse. Not to mention our society is far more sexual than ever before, so the value of a woman is lost on many men especially if they don't have a proper male influence guiding them.

You know, I try to do the gentlemen-ly things with girls, but I never knew until recently that I needed to stand when they left the table. Thanks for the reminder on that one. ;)

EDIT: Oh and the feminist movement might have had an effect on it, too. :lol:

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Very good obeservations

I agree on many points.

But I do think this info. is lost from generation to generation.

And yeah- if you reallyw ant to impress a girl- stand up when she leaves the table :)

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

yeah. i neer stood when a lady left the table, but otherwise, I do my best to be a gentleman. But in the long run it becomes manners = nice guy = FRIEND ZONE!!! plus a good chunk of women arent very courteous either. As my fave comedian Richard Pryor said "Chivalry is dead, but women killed it"

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i don't agree-

romantically i have been most impressed by men who were gentlemen

the one's who were not- did not last long
or did not impress me

but glad u are a gentleman :)

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

yeah. i neer stood when a lady left the table, but otherwise, I do my best to be a gentleman. But in the long run it becomes manners = nice guy = FRIEND ZONE!!! plus a good chunk of women arent very courteous either. As my fave comedian Richard Pryor said "Chivalry is dead, but women killed it"

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i don't agree-

romantically i have been most impressed by men who were gentlemen

the one's who were not- did not last long
or did not impress me

but glad u are a gentleman :)

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And im glad your a lady in the true sense of the word.
Ladies get what they deserve. If you show class and respect, you get that in return. if you dont, then dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by Fox

It's the same reason many families don't eat Sunday dinners together (or any other day of the week), don't worship together like before, etc. Old traditions die out over time for better or worse. Not to mention our society is far more sexual than ever before, so the value of a woman is lost on many men especially if they don't have a proper male influence guiding them.

You know, I try to do the gentlemen-ly things with girls, but I never knew until recently that I needed to stand when they left the table. Thanks for the reminder on that one. ;)

EDIT: Oh and the feminist movement might have had an effect on it, too. :lol:

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Very good obeservations

I agree on many points.

But I do think this info. is lost from generation to generation.

And yeah- if you reallyw ant to impress a girl- stand up when she leaves the table :)

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Thank you American Gangster for the lesson! :D

I think it all boils down to how parents are raising their kids today. These days, not very many people have good manners, morals, etiquette and breeding like they used to. ;)

~Kisses.

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I will generally open the door for anyone if they aren't too far behind and i normally address older people with maam or sir.It normally depends on how a person was raised.

I don't think it has completely disappeared nor is it just confined to young men either, many women could do with a lesson on manners.
The current culture of the individual rather than a culture of community is probably to blame. The increasing urbanisation of society, the breakdown of traditional nuclear families and so on. There are many more reasons I'm sure.
As a senior NCO I am expected to have a grasp on etiquette, and I was raised with manners in any case. I try to pass this on to my subordinates, many are simply ignorant of manners as it was never taught to them.

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

I think it all boils down to how parents are raising their kids today. These days, not very many people have good manners, morals, etiquette and breeding like they used to. ;)

~Kisses.

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There are a lot of families without a father (or father figure) to pass along and teach those manners to their sons.



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Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS

There are a lot of families without a father (or father figure) to pass along and teach those manners to their sons.

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I respectfully disagree.

My parents divorced when I was very young. My mother was the one who taught me manners. A single parent, whether male or female, is responsible for the child's complete development.

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While in a romantic sense, I agree. You are, however, completely lost!

I too, came from a broken home, raised by a Mom, so in reality you are half-right. A single parent should instill the correct values, but when income is an issue and child support doesn't exist, some Mothers are forced to work copious hours to fill financial voids that other parents aren't required to fill.

In their altruistic attempt at preserving the nest, Moms who work these hours have a hard time relating to pubescent teen males and these males tend to not , initially anyhow, adapt to the stringent criteria society has impressed upon their peer group, creating outcasts.

Wait, am I giving too much of myself away here 8)

for the most part i am the nicest person you could want to meet.

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Originally Posted by braveman

I respectfully disagree.

My parents divorced when I was very young. My mother was the one who taught me manners. A single parent, whether male or female, is responsible for the child's complete development.

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While in a romantic sense, I agree. You are, however, completely lost!

I too, came from a broken home, raised by a Mom, so in reality you are half-right. A single parent should instill the correct values, but when income is an issue and child support doesn't exist, some Mothers are forced to work copious hours to fill financial voids that other parents aren't required to fill.

In their altruistic attempt at preserving the nest, Moms who work these hours have a hard time relating to pubescent teen males and these males tend to not , initially anyhow, adapt to the stringent criteria society has impressed upon their peer group, creating outcasts.

Wait, am I giving too much of myself away here 8)

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How do you mean I'm "completely lost?" Oh, you must mean that you disagree with me to a poing. That's cool.

Trust me, my mother worked multiple jobs to provide for her children. Nothing to do with "romantic senses," but cold reality. Invest in her childrens's social and educational development or risk leashing , as you put it, outcasts into society.

Every family is different, whether they are headed by one or two parents.
There are plenty of uncouth young men who grew up in homes where fathers/older male figures were present.

So, keeping in the spirit of etiquette, I will not say that you are lost. I'll just say that I respectully disagree with you.

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i totaly agree with you, my mom worked very hard when i was a child she was a house keeper for some very well off families... not a live in house keeper. she did everything in her power to make sure myself and my brother where raised properly and showed respect to those that desirved respect.

even if i am getting on the city bus i still allow the women to enter the bus first. i have no problem pulling a chair out for a woman if i go to dinner with her, or opening the door. it is called common curtisy... unfortunatly it is not all that common amongst a lot of people in this day and age. but it does exsist even if in just small doses.

...in the words of Dave Chappelle:
"You women are right: chivalry IS dead...and you bitches killed it!"

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Originally Posted by braveman

A single parent, whether male or female, is responsible for the child's complete development.

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With you on that braveman. My mother did it after my father died. It's tough, it takes a hell of a toll on the woman or man, which the kids don't see most of, but you know you owe her, or him.

I do hear and see a lot of things about single-parent families...The fact is we live in an era when many of those single parents were themselves brought up by single parents and are even perhaps the third generation....I don't doubt that's tough.

Totally OT but cool, you like Wynonie Harris? I just D/L'd an album of his off emusic-- thank you!

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Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS

There are a lot of families without a father (or father figure) to pass along and teach those manners to their sons.

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I respectfully disagree.

My parents divorced when I was very young. My mother was the one who taught me manners. A single parent, whether male or female, is responsible for the child's complete development.

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Well... I never said that mothers couldn't do it. Believe me, I was in NO WAY belittleing moms. I was rasied by my mom, too. But I'll bet all those working mothers would have loved to get a little help.

With the disclaimer that, yes, every family is different, I was just pointing out a simple fact. I don't think it's right to let those absent fathers off the hook on this one.


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You gotta give props to the strong women in kids' lives. Strong, single moms kick ass! I'll PM you about Wynonie Harris.

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A single parent, whether male or female, is responsible for the child's complete development.

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With you on that braveman. My mother did it after my father died. It's tough, it takes a hell of a toll on the woman or man, which the kids don't see most of, but you know you owe her, or him.

Totally OT but cool, you like Wynonie Harris? I just D/L'd an album of his off emusic-- thank you!

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This aint a dig on you mate, far from it, because you made a great point, but you gotta give props to all the good role models and strong people in a childs life, not just mum's.

My friend is a single father, he looks after his children AND he works night shifts continuously to support them, he gets no other support...just has his mother to sleep in his house with the kids so they arent home alone. He gets lots of props from me.

But anyway, back to the question, there has been a decline in chivalry, on both parts male and female.

Guys.

more thug culture, rapstars etc, women just seen as material, general lack of respect in children growing up and not educated properly with good manners meaning less care for one another in the community, lack of family values.

Girls.

Rise of the 'ladette' 'girl power' phase, 'we dont need your help, we dont need no man' etc etc, also trying to exploit the sex industry, we see this a lot more esspec so on this site, years ago this was no way near as prelevant but with the media and different sources available nowdays it is rife. Women are happy to flaunt themselves as material goods as long as they get the 'cash for the gash'.

It is changes in social popular culture brought on by the media which have caused such a change.

A change for the worse, it will only get worse and worse in time.

As we (the west) dives deeper into more greedy and materialistic ways of life, chivalry will go out the window completely.

I find it ironic to see prostitutes/escorts who are complaining about a lack of 'chivalry' towards 'ladies'. Whilst being a prostitute doesnt mean someone is a bad person, not at all, it however does show they are willing to sell their body for sex. They are willing to let someone use their body in a sexual way for material gain, i think there is a slight hypocracy going on wit hthis forum if people think they can be an escort/prostitute AND be treated like a TOTALLY INNOCENT PRINCESS, when in reality they are seen by the public (away from this forum where they are seen as the holygrail) as part of the lowest of the low.

Some may disagree, they are entitled to, but surely most can see the 'whys'.

Allanah, simple explanation, one guy touched on it already, parents are afraid to spank their kids when they are young and act like assholes so they keep pushing their limits and become big assholes by the time they grow up. I'm 28, and I notice a large generation gap between people my age (although a few are definitely assholes) and the kids a few years younger than me, which are mostly spoiled little brats and grow up to be big assholes.

I THINK THAT SOCIETY/MEDIA/CULTURE ETC AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS PLAY A MAJOR PART IN HOW MEN VIEW WOMEN..
MOSTLY ITS BECAUSE MEN NOW VIEW WOMEN AND OR TS WOMEN AS OBJECTS..WE ARE HIGHLY EXPLOITED SEXUALLY..AND WE ARE JUDGED ON LOOKS AND OUR BODY..
MEN ARE VISUAL..WITH WOMAN WE LOOK 4 A GOOD MAN FIRST OPPOSED TO LOOKS, SECURITY, SOMEONE NICE THATS GONNA RESPECT US AND TREAT US LIKE GOLD..
WITH MEN THEY LOOKING AT A PRETTY FACE AZZ TITS AND THE MENTAL IS LAST..LOL I THINK MOST MEN KNOW HOW AND WHAT TO DO TO BE A GENTALMEN..AS LONG AS THEY STAY IN LUST OR STILL WANTING THAT PERSON..THEY OPEN DOORS SHOW U ALL THE ATTENTION, AND SHOW ALL THE PROPER CHARATERISTICS OF A GOOD GENTELMEN..USALLY ONCE THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT..THE STORY CHANGES..

DOESNT MATTER IF U A ESCORT OR HAVE A 9 TO 5 ..CAUSE EVEN NON ESCORTING WOMEN GO THROUGH THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH HOW MEN
TREAT THEM. THEY GET FUKED AND IGNORED WHEN HE AINT HAVE TO WORK TO GET IT ..IF SHE CHARGED..SHE GOT SOMETHING OUT OF IT ..SO BY HIM IGNORING HER SHE LIKE FUK IT..SO ESCORTS GOT THE UPPER HAND. ITS NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE CAUSE SHE CAN CHEAT ALSO AND NOT GET NOFFIN BUT A WET ASS.


AND IF MEN STOP LOOKING FOR JUST PHYSICAL APPEALING AS #1 PRIORITY AND LOOK FOR IF U AND HER ARE MENTALLY COMPATIABLE.

MOST OF THESE LOSER MEN ARE USALLY PRODUCTS OF MESSED UP RELATIONSHIPS CAUSE THEY CANT HANDLE LOST LOVE LIKE A WOMAN CAN ..SO THEY DONT WANT TO LET A WOMEN GET TO CLOSE TO THEIR HEART CAUSE THEY SCARED OF THE FELLING THEY HAD WHEN IT GOT BROKEN SO THEY GO AROUND JUST LOOKING FOR WHAT THEY WANT..NOFFIN MORE.

IN ORDER TO GET A GOOD MAN U HAVE TO BE A GOOD WOMEN U MIGHT HAVE TO SORT THROUGH ALOT OF TRASH..AND MOST OF THE MEN U HAVE TO SORT THROUGH ARE NOT GONNA BE FOR U..U USALLY KNOW THAT RIGHT OFF THE BAT WHO GOOD AND WHOS NOT..WHEN A GOOD MAN COMES U KNOW IT..ALOT OF WOMEN IGNORE THE SIGNS, FROM THE JUMP AND THEN GAG N THE END AND VISE VERSA

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Originally Posted by braveman

You are quite right Hara. Among men and women, etiquette is fast becoming an endangered species.

On another note: A few comments have been made about men standing when a woman leaves the table. Well, it depends on the setting. IMO, the rule is something people might do during very formal (i.e. black tie)occasions or in a ritzy restaurant.

Etiquette should not be divorced from common sense. Take note of your surroundings, your dining partner(s,) the occasion of the event, and act appropriately.

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I agree with you braveman! :P

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Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

I think it all boils down to how parents are raising their kids today. These days, not very many people have good manners, morals, etiquette and breeding like they used to. ;)

~Kisses.

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There are a lot of families without a father (or father figure) to pass along and teach those manners to their sons.



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I know TrueBeauty TS. Although I believe, that not having a father or father figure growing up isn't an excuse for NOT having good manners, morals, etiquette and breeding. Single moms and Dad's could still teach a little bit of each to their children IF they really wanted to as in finding time that is to TEACH them. ;)

~Kisses.

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Originally Posted by BADAZZBODY

DOESNT MATTER IF U A ESCORT OR HAVE A 9 TO 5 ..CAUSE EVEN NON ESCORTING WOMEN GO THROUGH THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH HOW MEN
TREAT THEM. THEY GET FUKED AND IGNORED WHEN HE AINT HAVE TO WORK TO GET IT ..IF SHE CHARGED..SHE GOT SOMETHING OUT OF IT ..SO BY HIM IGNORING HER SHE LIKE FUK IT..SO ESCORTS GOT THE UPPER HAND. ITS NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE CAUSE SHE CAN CHEAT ALSO AND NOT GET NOFFIN BUT A WET ASS.

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And that is EXACTLY the attitude i was talking about.

Because youve been in the industry now for some time, your perception of what 'sex' is, is different...it is a tainted perspective.

As with any industry you go in, when you are on the inside it is always different from the outside.

Maybe you see what i mean, its not your fault and im not saying you are to blame, not at all...but to some people sex is not a material commodity that should be bought or sold.

It is the media (again we go back to that word) and tools of the media (radio, internet, tv, cinema, newspapers, magazines etc etc) which have given the whole 'sex is money' attitude. Somewhere down the line (you might be getting good money fairplay), but some guy is sitting in his 10 million dollar mansion and huge swimming pool, laughing at all the suckers that hes managed to whisk up into this state of life. He is the one making the real profit because HE MADE 'THE GAME'.

It might be hard for some (not just the girls on here either, infact definately not just the girls, from what u see, most the girls on here although sell themselves do have compassion and feelings aswell) but people have to accept that IN OTHER CULTURES AND EVEN IN OUR OWN CULTURE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEX OUT OF 'LOVE'...Love is something very special and that is the point that people are missing.

When you love someone, sex does not have a monetary value. When you love someone you care for each other and support each other out of each others love...love is not dependant on money or material goods...if someones version of 'love' in this western world is dominated by possesions, greed and material then they truly have a SAD SAD LIFE...if i ever got like that then i would SERIOUSLY CONSIDER TAKING A LOOK AT MY OWN VALUES AND OWN LIFE.

It is a horrible outlook to have but unfortunately such is the case now because its whats been implanted in western media for years now.

Well I open doors for women and everything. But with all these cries for equal rights for women, I guess they think since she's an independent woman, she can do it herself.

I skipped ahead and didn't read this whole thread, but yes, us guys should open doors and do whatever for women. It's kinda stupid, but that's what we do.

They have nice tits and ass. We open the door. Us guys have it easy when you really think about it. Of course, there is the nagging. . .

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DOESNT MATTER IF U A ESCORT OR HAVE A 9 TO 5 ..CAUSE EVEN NON ESCORTING WOMEN GO THROUGH THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH HOW MEN
TREAT THEM. THEY GET FUKED AND IGNORED WHEN HE AINT HAVE TO WORK TO GET IT ..IF SHE CHARGED..SHE GOT SOMETHING OUT OF IT ..SO BY HIM IGNORING HER SHE LIKE FUK IT..SO ESCORTS GOT THE UPPER HAND. ITS NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE CAUSE SHE CAN CHEAT ALSO AND NOT GET NOFFIN BUT A WET ASS.

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And that is EXACTLY the attitude i was talking about.

Because youve been in the industry now for some time, your perception of what 'sex' is, is different...it is a tainted perspective.

As with any industry you go in, when you are on the inside it is always different from the outside.

Maybe you see what i mean, its not your fault and im not saying you are to blame, not at all...but to some people sex is not a material commodity that should be bought or sold.

It is the media (again we go back to that word) and tools of the media (radio, internet, tv, cinema, newspapers, magazines etc etc) which have given the whole 'sex is money' attitude. Somewhere down the line (you might be getting good money fairplay), but some guy is sitting in his 10 million dollar mansion and huge swimming pool, laughing at all the suckers that hes managed to whisk up into this state of life. He is the one making the real profit because HE MADE 'THE GAME'.

It might be hard for some (not just the girls on here either, infact definately not just the girls, from what u see, most the girls on here although sell themselves do have compassion and feelings aswell) but people have to accept that IN OTHER CULTURES AND EVEN IN OUR OWN CULTURE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEX OUT OF 'LOVE'...Love is something very special and that is the point that people are missing.

When you love someone, sex does not have a monetary value. When you love someone you care for each other and support each other out of each others love...love is not dependant on money or material goods...if someones version of 'love' in this western world is dominated by possesions, greed and material then they truly have a SAD SAD LIFE...if i ever got like that then i would SERIOUSLY CONSIDER TAKING A LOOK AT MY OWN VALUES AND OWN LIFE.

It is a horrible outlook to have but unfortunately such is the case now because its whats been implanted in western media for years now.

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OK I SYMPATHIZE WITH U BUT ITS JUST MY OPINION OF Y MEN ARE THEY WAY THEY ARE..BUT ITS HARD TO TAKE YOUR FELLING AND OPINION SERIOUSLY ..FROM READING YOUR FIRST POST OF HOW U GOT MACES GOT YOUR MONEY TOOKEN JUST TO SUK A DICK..BUT ITS ALL GOOD..

FOR THE RECORD IVE BEEN IN LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS MOSTLY ALL MY LIFE EVEN AS A ESCORT ONE 6 ANOTHER 2 AND ANOTHER 4 1/2
LONGER THAN MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MARRIED..SO DONT TAKE MY OPINION AND RUN WITH IT..I KNOW THE VALUE OF LOVE..BUT THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION ..ITS Y MEN ARE NOT GENTALMEN..AND AND THEY WAY U REPRESENT YOUR SELF ESCORT OR NOT..WELL REALLY BE HOW U ARE TREATED AND RESPECTED..SOME TRASH CANT HELP EVEN IF U REPRESENT YOUR SELF RIGHT ..BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT IS WHAT IT IS..

WOMEN ARE VIEWED AS OBJECT SO THATS ALOT OF THE REASON Y MEN DONT TREAT US AS WE SHOULD

U CAN LOOK ON TV AND SEE TWO GIRLS MAKING OUT ALL THE TIME AND MEN BE LIKE DAMN THATS HOT ..MEDIA PERCEPTION ON GAY FEMALES IS MORE EXCEPTED SO MUCH ITS LIKE ITS THE NORM THEN ANY MALE 4 MALE OR MALE FOR TS LOOKED DOWN AS WTF ILL YUCK..BUT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS ITS JUST AS NORMAL AS STRAIGHT UP SEX..ALL BECAUSE OF MEN AND THEIR PRECIPTION OF THE WOMEN..WHICH INTERNS CONVEYS ON HOW MEN TREAT THEM..

I agree there a few gentlemen left. I dont think its the guys fault though, I think its women and they seem to settle for less today. I see a lot fewer relationships today then I did even 10 years ago. Girls seem to put out a lot easier, and guys expect sex a lot sooner if not the first night.

In germany we don´t usually open the door for someone because she/he belongs to a certain gender.
When we open for us the door and we see someone is behind us we go onward and hold the door as long open as we can.
We think much of equal rights.

Being a gentleman these day's shock most women. When my gf and I first met. She thought it was an act that would ware out. Well, I still open doors, pull out chairs and rise from the table when a lady leaves/arrives. But, I'm an OG.

i am very lucky that my boyfriend is such a gentleman, he opens the door for me, opens the door of the car too, stands up when im going to the ladies room, whenever we're out dining, he also, and i remember that when we walk on the street, he holds my hand and keeps me safe, i love it!, i love him! :D

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

It seems like plain and simple manners amongst most men are gone these days...

Wha tever happened to opening doors for a lady- pulling her chair out to sit- or standing when a lady leaves the table????

I'm lucky that my BF is one-

But I find bad manners amongst men rampant these days-

Especially YOUNG men.

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Not only manners, but respect and kindness in general seems to be a smaller and smaller needle in a haystack.!!!

But I hold doors for guys too! Its only about kindness for your fellow man or woman.

I tend to be gentlemanly, but on the whole, yeah I agree, people, a lot of guys mostly, seem to be more asholeish these days, like last week I was walking into a restaraunt and I held open the door for some people that were leaving, and they said happy holidays, and as I started to walk in, they turned around and said "by the way, fuck you" and it caught me totally off guard so I just forgot about it and went in.

I lay the blame on society. These days all the music is about 'slapping a hoe' and just generally being disrespectful to everyone. Damn kids and their modern noise that they call music (Ironic that I'm saying this, yet I'm only 20)

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... These days all the music is about 'slapping a hoe' and just generally being disrespectful to everyone. Damn kids and their modern noise that they call music (Ironic that I'm saying this, yet I'm only 20)

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While I agree with your sentiment about demeaning lyrics, I hope you're not dismissing all new music (rap or otherwise). There's still some good stuff coming out that has a real message behind it. The biggest problem is those are the songs that get airplay priority (when editted), or in the clubs. Some of the songs with real messages need better beats, I guess. :P

All fine and good. Lots of these hot girls don't date gentlemen. They get all hot and want to fuck a guy for whatever. And after two dates this week where I couldn't have been more of a gentleman, well the girls should have been ladies to me and treated me with respect.

I'm over it. Why don't you only go out with guys that ARE gentlemen and stop giving everyone a free pass because of their money or looks. Something tells me they'll get their act together real quick when they get ZERO action.

Fox, I agree with you, the music that gets played is usually the demeaning stuff, but that aside, I usually just dont like todays music at all (some bands aside) I generally listen to 80s music.

I wish high schools would make etiquette and mannerism classes mandatory (I took my optional one in High School, at first just for the easy grade, then I realized that generally assholes die angry and unhappy)

i find a lot of women dont say thank you when u hold a door 4 them...when i ride the train more times than not i give up my seat for someone else...i have good manners but i see a lot of the opposite sex not very appreciative 4 that....

It's all in how you're taught. Look at what's on TV, especially kids TV, listen to what people are taught and you have your answer.

well my two cent on this goes like this, a man expect something in return, and a woman expect nothing in return, now before you get your underwears in a bunch this is what I mean, ie a gentlemen opens a door for a woman all he expect in return is a "thank you and a smile", not all woman, but some will not say a word and expect you to do that for them anyway, now once the gentlemen has his full of "lack of gratitude" he tends to become less of a gentlemen.in a sense men are becoming more desensitized over time.

and men only want to be noticed by that woman, and woman want to be notice by all men, and for me i don't expect a phone number or anything like that, things have a way of coming full circle.