No More Cum Shots in Trans Porn ?

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The expectations and the fantasy of porn have often been discussed, but in no other area of porn, is the dichotomy of who trans girls are (and what they can do) and the reality further apart. Many fans of transerotica are seeking the hardest, biggest cocks. They want trans women who are ready to fuck every guy in the ass. They want cum shots that are equaled only by Peter North or fueled by their expectation of hentai characters. They also want the girls to be drop-dead gorgeous, with every aspect of stereotypical femininity apparent.

The reality is for many trans women to transition, they need to embark on a lifelong regiment of hormone blockers or replacements, aesthetic maintenance of their skin and hair as well as those who take surgical options. It’s financially costly and unless managed correctly, can be medically and emotionally detrimental.

As a company whose income is adult entertainment, we have to provide what the buyer is looking for – the fantasy, yet be aware of the reality and what it takes to make that perfect scene. If we don’t come close to providing what a customer wants and is willing to pay for, we don’t have a business, and the content production stops. The models know this, the producers know this, and the marketing team knows this. What we’re doing is trying to reach a compromise on what the customer wants, what the models can provide and keep a degree of authenticity while we’re at it.

There are no set rules, but generally trans women on hormones will have difficulty reaching a ‘cumshot’ which produces much fluid. Many may have difficulties getting erect, and almost every performer has viagra available to them. It may not be just the hormones, there may be additional lifestyle issues that are also a factor but the gist is that those 15 minute solo jerkoff/cumshot scenes may have taken hours to produce, with water breaks, models needing to be left alone (with the producer coming in to capture the ending), friction burns, tons of lube and viewing porn on their phone to get a climax, and sometimes barely a drop of liquid appears. This isn’t every shoot, we’ve models who can literally come and go within an hour but it is not a rarity to have difficulties getting what we need. It’s tough on the producers who have been told to get cumshots, it’s tough on the performers who are trying to produce and then when sold to the members as a cumshot scene … it’s disappointing.

We’ve always required cumshot scenes in our sets, and other companies expect the same (many with stipulations of staying hard throughout the scene which could take the better part of a day). Performers will go off hormones for periods of time to be able to perform better, but there is some thought on the detriment this can have to their emotional and physical well-being. It should be a choice of the model, and never the stipulation of a company or the industry. I appreciate that those who also work as providers or cam girls, know that being erect, and cumming can pay them better or they can work longer. The point being – it should be the prerogative of the performer, yet if it’s going to affect her work and income, what choice does she have?

We’ve had accusations thrown at us in the past, that we asked models to come off hormones to shoot – which is completely unfounded and part of a smear campaign, yet we have paid bonuses for cum shots, we have created on GroobyGirls ‘Cumshot Mondays’ (one shot single scenes, which let us provide more cumshot content and more shoots to models). We’re not going to stop looking to get cumshots, or promoting that fact – but what we’re looking to do is manage the expectations of the consumer while alleviating some of the issues that trans models have. In cis-porn, authenticity is shown by a cis-female reaching an orgasm or climax. Sometimes these are shown as squirting (ahem – peeing – squirting is almost always fake) but the best performers, and the best producers know that an authentic climax will show on screen, and work for the viewer. Viewers expect and need to see that climax to know the model is excited and they can climax with them.

All our trans performers can reach an orgasm… they ‘cum’ … but some produce more fluid than others. By changing our ‘Cumshot Mondays’ (on GroobyGirls.com) or ‘Cumshot Thurdays’ (on Black-Tgirls) to ‘Climax Mondays/Thursdays’ we’re aiming to educate the fans and customers, to manage their expectations that they may not see a gushing cumshot, it may be a lot less but with a flush of the face and the full affect of ‘la petite mort’ apparent in their expressions and bliss we hope to provide an exciting viewing experience. By renaming our content to ‘Climax’ instead of ‘Cumshot’ we’re also removing any issues with gender of cumshot, which I understand can be problematic for some.

A Caveat : Much as we want to make progressive changes and hope that models and supporters take it on-board, as I’m sure most will – this does not mean we’re giving a pass to models to under-perform, to not prepare for a shoot or to give us lackluster content. Models should appear on set, rested (and without having had sex that day – or the night before), hydrated and ready to provide a great scene which if they can do it, will have erections and full orgasm and climax shots. We’re going to continue to bring back the models that rate the highest, get the best feedback and whose content gets the most engagements – so those who perform the best, will be invited to more work.
Grooby is constantly striving to improve itself, the trans porn industry and to educate the public on our performers and all feedback will be taken into consideration.

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On the one hand, I'm fine with no cumshot. Most t-girl cumshots are pretty lame anyway, and full disclosure, I usually don't make it that far into the video. Most of the time I couldn't tell you if there was a cumshot or not.

What I'm not fine with is no boner. I mean, I'm "fine" with it, but I'm not into it. Whatever the real reason the girl can't get hard - hormones, nerves, a general disdain for penis stimulation, or whatever - the IMPLICATION of no hard-on is that she's not enjoying what's happening. And I mean, there are some BEAUTIFUL t-girls doing porn that I just don't watch at all because I know they don't or can't get hard. But I get it and I'm not mad at them.

And then on the other hand, I want to say that there are special difficulties implicit in any occupation. Just as a random example, my job requires very strong hands. If I didn't have strong hands, I couldn't do my job, and I'd have to do something else for a living. If my hands ever get crushed or some such, I'll be fucked. By extension, if we apply that reality-of-life to t-girl porn, it might be valid to say that if a t-girl can't get it up and the porn market for flaccid t-girls is too small, then she probably needs to find another way to make a living. I'd never say that. But it could be said.

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On the one hand, I'm fine with no cumshot. Most t-girl cumshots are pretty lame anyway, and full disclosure, I usually don't make it that far into the video. Most of the time I couldn't tell you if there was a cumshot or not.

What I'm not fine with is no boner. I mean, I'm "fine" with it, but I'm not into it. Whatever the real reason the girl can't get hard - hormones, nerves, a general disdain for penis stimulation, or whatever - the IMPLICATION of no hard-on is that she's not enjoying what's happening. And I mean, there are some BEAUTIFUL t-girls doing porn that I just don't watch at all because I know they don't or can't get hard. But I get it and I'm not mad at them.

And then on the other hand, I want to say that there are special difficulties implicit in any occupation. Just as a random example, my job requires very strong hands. If I didn't have strong hands, I couldn't do my job, and I'd have to do something else for a living. If my hands ever get crushed or some such, I'll be fucked. By extension, if we apply that reality-of-life to t-girl porn, it might be valid to say that if a t-girl can't get it up and the porn market for flaccid t-girls is too small, then she probably needs to find another way to make a living. I'd never say that. But it could be said.

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All valid points I would agree with. Which is why I did state at the end, that it will be the models that perform the best - or have the best feedback that will do more work. That doesn't always mean erections, big cocks or cum - we've had many girls come back for shoots with other attributes that hit well with the viewers.

I think porn and trans porn is a little different from 'any occupation'. I've mentioned it before but the validation a trans girl gets from at least modeling once, can be something that is more important that just a financial incentive which is why we do try to give as many girls a shot as we can.

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Originally Posted by GroobySteven

All valid points I would agree with. Which is why I did state at the end, that it will be the models that perform the best - or have the best feedback that will do more work. That doesn't always mean erections, big cocks or cum - we've had many girls come back for shoots with other attributes that hit well with the viewers.

I think porn and trans porn is a little different from 'any occupation'. I've mentioned it before but the validation a trans girl gets from at least modeling once, can be something that is more important that just a financial incentive which is why we do try to give as many girls a shot as we can.

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By all means keep validating the hell out of these girls, Steven. I'm a big fan of your work, and if you're approaching it from the perspective of helping our beloved t-girls be happier and more productive, all the better.

Besides, the cream always rises to the top anyway (no pun intended). I can think of very few of the top-tier performers in your industry who don't get hard and cum pretty regularly, and the superstars usually do so in spectacular fashion. So everyone knows it's important. I guess you, Steven, are ultimately the one who has to decide how important it is.

I'm reminded of a movie I saw recently called Free Solo, about the rope-less mountain climber Alex Honnold. The entire movie, the camera crew was following him around as he was contemplating a free solo climb of El Capitan, which had never been done before - for good reason, it's basically a suicide climb for any mere mortal.

What the director was careful to point out to the audience, and what he made clear to his crew, was that it would be immoral for them to encourage Alex to make the climb they were there to shoot. Because it could, and by many people's reckoning probably would, kill him.

So here's this movie crew there for one purpose only - to capture this historical footage of such an unprecedented climb - but they were morally bound to simply sit back and let Alex Honnold do whatever he was going to do, on his own time; which included, actually, postponing the entire climb by nearly a year.

You're that director, Steven, when it comes to what you will and won't encourage to happen. And it looks like you recognize that, so good for you.

I really love to watch girls with big, hard-as-rock cock, and i'm addicted in seeing lots of spurts coming out.

It's probably my biggest turn-on in Tgirl porn, but i think it must be done what is right: those girls probably already have a difficult life, fighting against prejudice and every difficult aspect in their transation, so i think it's good to free them from the burden of mandatory performances and results in their porn work.

So, i hope that choice you made bring positive results to you, and to all of your girls.

I remember Mandy Mitchell complaining about cumshots and the difficulties they create for Trans women. Also she said that most of them are fakes. Her orgasms, though, are pretty spectacular IMHO, even with little or no ejaculate. Same with Hazel Tucker's.

It all depends what your priorities are as a porn content provider.

For example, I can't remember the last time I saw a Brasilian trans production without a tgirl cumshot.

I understand you have to work with the girls doing what's comfortable for them, so it's a tricky balance.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

It all depends what your priorities are as a porn content provider.

For example, I can't remember the last time I saw a Brasilian trans production without a tgirl cumshot.

I understand you have to work with the girls doing what's comfortable for them, so it's a tricky balance.

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Do you know how many of those cumshots were real? Do you know how many times I've had to scold producers in Brazil?

I love the cumshots, for me it's what it's all about. Don't agree with Nick D in saying only few girls cum. Look at some of the monsters Morgan Bailey as knocked out over the years, Jesse Florres too. Joanne Jet still knocks big thick creamy bombs out, I had one only two years ago. Loads of girls on Black TG, lots of the Thai girls cum well and my favourite, Latinas, blow some monsters out.
Keep them coming please Steven(no pun intended) I can't get enough of it.
I don't watch hardcore scenes personally unless it's T-girl on gender girls, I love bareback scenes but you don't often see them for obvious reasons.
As for size; If I named my top 20 Chaturbate models I would say none of them have huge cocks, maybe 12strongcock when she's hard? It's not size for me, it's the appearance. I love an average uncut Latina cock although average there seems a good 7"?
Look forward to the next subsciption.

I love the cum. I want to see what I can eat.
Bring on the ballmilk!

I'm fine with no cumshot too.. :)

the social justice narrative has now entered even into porn. sex and the visual stimulation is purely based on a nasty sexual fantasy that makes men drool. yes we know transitioning isn't easy and some girls just don't cum at all but that doesn't mean men won't get their fix. there will always be girls who will cum a lot and they will be the ones men will want to watch.

this reminds me of andrea ravel. i love her body of work. incredible dark brown skin and such nice bouncy thick black hair. and i love her moans but she does not cum at all. nothing. instead i watch the guy shoot his cum in her mouth. but i would still rather watch girls like jane marie and beatricy velmont who do cum on camera, enough for it to be obvious.

I really don't understand how is possible that some tgirls like Ingrid Moreira, Adna Kury, Rafaela Ferrari and others can cum quite easily... They are off hormones maybe? And if yes.. how can they maintain such a feminine appearance? All thanks to the plastic surgery?

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Originally Posted by lexer

I really don't understand how is possible that some tgirls like Ingrid Moreira, Adna Kury, Rafaela Ferrari and others can cum quite easily... They are off hormones maybe? And if yes.. how can they maintain such a feminine appearance? All thanks to the plastic surgery?

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Surgery, makeup, photoshop, good lighting and some girls are just luckier than others naturally. Coming on and off hormones isn't good for the body or the mind.
Many Brazilian models - and I mean this without wanting to be mean, but they don't look as good in person often as they do on screen when they don't take hormones.

Still they're very up to swallowable standards

Trans girls cumming in scenes never mirrored reality for me. All the trans girls I’ve ever been with cumming for them was never the goal. Getting fucked by a big cock and making me cum was🤷♂️

A trans girl I've seen in Costa Rica has to watch porn (gay porn at that, which I think is a bit crazy) to get off when she's doing the fucking. She prefers to be fucked.

I for one am a male who love to watch tgirls being topped and erections or cumming is not a problem for me. I do feel for the male bottoms who prefer this but personally I do not want a performer to be uncomfortable simply for my pleasure. I'm still pretty ignorant about the issue of hormones and such but would not mind being with or watching a stunning tgirl like a Jane Marie or even a bbw like a Demi De Best being topped while their penises are flaccid.

Different options:

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to try for a cumshot today. (smiles at camera) I'm taking not taking hormones so let's see how much comes out today, shall we? (winks when saying the "come" pun)"

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to try for a cumshot today. (smiles at camera) I've stopped taking my taking hormones for (length of time she's stopped before this) so let's see how much comes out today, shall we? (winks when saying the "come" pun)"

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to try for a cumshot today. (smiles at camera) I'm taking full hormone replacement and I don't produce much fluid anymore, so let's see how much comes out today, shall we? (winks when saying the "come" pun)"

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to be in an anal scene today. (smiles at camera) My hormone routine keeps me pretty soft in more ways than one, my (their term for their dick) probably won't get hard today but you'll still see me taking it in the ass and loving. So let's go have some fun together shall we?"

Set expectations from the start, be honest with the audience, seduce the audience, capture what happens.

Tried to edit but I was longer than 10 minutes...

First one should have been "I'm not taking..."

There really should be some set terms for mtf trans by now:
Trans-woman = changing gender identity and sex. Saving up for or has had srs, and any level of blockers/hormone taking leading up to such.
Trans-female = changing gender identity but not their sex. No intention of SRS but lives as woman fulltime, may or may not be taking hormones as well. Not averse to, or even likes to, use their dick.

Then these terms could be used to set expectations for the wider world in dating situations and as well for the porn audience...

I was more active on the hungdevils boards than here but I check in once in a while.

if guys are too retarded not to differentiate reality from fiction, then no.

i don't want my trans porn ruined since some teens or even adults are too stupid to not see shit in its proper context.
may seem harsh, but that's the issue. and most skirt around it. porn is a representation not a tutorial. nobody thinks an EA Sports game is exactly like football or gridiron.

i know most trans women out there don't top. i know most aren't packing nine inches. i know most aren't super passable, or horny/sexually open.

because it's a fantasy. womanly looks and big dick are what sells. and it's what turns me on and lots of others. but i can see past it. i'm not smarter than others necessarily, so if i can, so can anybody else.

The SJWs should be educating kids/adults to not see porn as reality. or move beyond bs logic like "oh it shows sex so it's gotta be real!"

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Originally Posted by waterbed

Different options:

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to try for a cumshot today. (smiles at camera) I'm taking not taking hormones so let's see how much comes out today, shall we? (winks when saying the "come" pun)"

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to try for a cumshot today. (smiles at camera) I've stopped taking my taking hormones for (length of time she's stopped before this) so let's see how much comes out today, shall we? (winks when saying the "come" pun)"

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to try for a cumshot today. (smiles at camera) I'm taking full hormone replacement and I don't produce much fluid anymore, so let's see how much comes out today, shall we? (winks when saying the "come" pun)"

Fade up to show performer sitting.
Performer starts speaking, "Hi, I'm (performers name). I'm going to be in an anal scene today. (smiles at camera) My hormone routine keeps me pretty soft in more ways than one, my (their term for their dick) probably won't get hard today but you'll still see me taking it in the ass and loving. So let's go have some fun together shall we?"

Set expectations from the start, be honest with the audience, seduce the audience, capture what happens.

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Or seeing as porn is entertainment not a reality doc just film a fun scene that turns the viewer on. If there is no cumshot at the end or the performer doesn't get hard whilst being fucked that is just how it happens I'd rather that than some weird "here are my scene goals" statement at the start - that's just odd and makes everything uncomfortable.

Porn doesn't need to be like real life at all it should just be a good watch. Imagine if real life was like your idea though, crikey what a mood killer.

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Originally Posted by waterbed

Tried to edit but I was longer than 10 minutes...

First one should have been "I'm not taking..."

There really should be some set terms for mtf trans by now:
Trans-woman = changing gender identity and sex. Saving up for or has had srs, and any level of blockers/hormone taking leading up to such.
Trans-female = changing gender identity but not their sex. No intention of SRS but lives as woman fulltime, may or may not be taking hormones as well. Not averse to, or even likes to, use their dick.

Then these terms could be used to set expectations for the wider world in dating situations and as well for the porn audience...

I was more active on the hungdevils boards than here but I check in once in a while.

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You're over-complicating things here again.

How about we just refer to a person how they ask us to. Who are you to decide whether someone is a Trans-woman or not because of where they are on their journey.

I'm a beautiful tranny lovin, hard cock suckin', cum load eatin' kinds guy. Just happy to be here!!

As long they're more comfortable and having fun, I don't mind it

My biggest gripe is that when a TS performer does nut big and the other male performer is no where close to receiving it. If you can't take it in your mouth, take it on your face and if you don't want to it on your face, take it on your chest

I haven't read all of these replies in great detail but here's my $0.02:
Watching a beautiful lady humping away with abandon then cutting to a close up of a male costar's face for a tiny dribble is a complete turn off. Not due to modest cumshot. A close up of some mug's mug depriving me of the most beautiful thing: a TGirl o-face, ruins it for me.

Give me my favorite porn babe's mouth wide open and eyes tightly shut as she busts her nut is more up my alley.

To me, I like seeing a big load at the end of a shoot.

I am 100% okay with this.

I like scenes where the bottom does not cum. I also like it to go one step further, where the bottom's cock is not touched at all.

It does not matter to me if the bottom is flaccid or erect either. If she limp and shriveled that is hot or if she is hard despite fact that her cock is completely unfettered that is also hot. I think is really sexy if her cock looks like it doesn't even 'work' or if she naturally gets hard while being topped. It is sexier to just let her be herself and let the scene happen. It is obvious when erections and cumshots are forced, if that is the case I would rather see neither.