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Usually, It Would Have Been Spoken About Already on This Forum.But It Hasnt..& I Am Very Curious To See Why No One Is Talking About This Subject Yet...This Forum Is Usually a Good Place To Know What The Populous Is Chattering About Around The Water Cooler.
So #45 Is Considering Some More World Domination....What Do You Peeps Think?? This Thing is Really Gaining Momentum!
Here is The Article:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0cGOj5SCm0
Many on this forum voted for trump.
It wouldn’t surprise me if many on this forum would die a painful social death if their friends knew they were on this forum..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
Ms Evelyn, I’ve been a member of these forums for many years and admittedly not much of an active one. One thing i noticed on my recent return is how much they have changed.
A few years ago it seemed as if they were a bit more social instead of the current “post pics on this fetish”.
Maybe I’m wrong but it’s just how I see it
While the website does tend to be more about pictures these days than the discussions we used to have on the website, the main forum never really went into political discussions. There's a whole subforum for it.
Where are all my Trannies For Trump???lol
There's a discussion thread on HA somewhere and we had heated discussion about what a douchebag Trump was.
I don't know how anyone couldn't see this coming from a mile away.
Remember when Trump said on the campaign trail he would be a pro LGBTQ POTUS??
How could anyone believe that, knowing his record and who his VP was??
I'll never understand Americans who enjoy being conned by a sideshow pathological liar like Trump
I don’t think people are surprised or that it’s surprising that white America backs this guy, obviously no all white people nor only but a large enough section. I thought my state, NJ, was pretty progressive but FB pages and state forums have proven to me that as comfortable as you think things are bigoted peoples are abundant. As much as I support and care about the trans community they are the most underrepresented people. In general, unless you know someone in that community most see them and those of us who support them as something odd and humorous.
Yes, where is Nick Danger to explain to us how this is really just a small thing in the greater glory of Trumpdom? That guy burnt out as suddenly as he flared up.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
I doubt that Trump cares about transsexuals either way. He will say or do whatever he thinks serves his interests at the time. As religious zealots are among his most loyal support base he will continue to pander to them.
Re lack of discussion here, I think a big part of the problem is that Trump's outrages are so continual that is has a numbing effect over time. Many people think "what's the point of even discussing this?", especially when the Trump fans/apologists here are either unable or unwilling to engage in sensible and honest discussion.
Cause they be a Dumb dumb like a chicken voting for the butcher or hen master.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
'Obama Made it, we destroy it'.
Every law, regulation and Executive Order with Obama's signature on it must be repealed.
Every international agreement with Obama's signature on it must be cancelled.
Every advance made when Obama was President must be reversed.
Every right extended to Americans when Obama was President must be taken away.
Every item on the record that proves the USA improved when Obama was President must become someone else's achievement.
Revenge and Spite are the motivations of the 45th Presidency by a man who could not accept the fact that a Black man entered the White House as President. Never Again. You were brought to America against your will, it is time for you go home. You don't belong here.
Transgendered, Non-Binary, Asexual, Polyamorous Americans -call yourselves whatever you like, you will no longer exist, you will be delared irrelevant and your existence expunged from the record.
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.
This is just more fear mongering bullshit from the news. These are the same news organizations that told you it would be the end of the world of trump won. The world hasn't ended. I'd ignore this.
Girl, on a board where over 80% of the forum topics include slurs against trans women you can’t expect any of the participants to give 2 shits about our rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by TS Evelyn Summers
Most of the guys here were hoping when SESTA/FOSTA was enacted we’d all be out working the streets.
So now most of them are probably hoping we’ll be shoved back into the closet like some dirty little secret.
I mean really, I think there’s a total of 3 guys who have ever posted here who have had face pics on their profile. Nearly all the posters here don’t want anyone to find out they are turned on by trans women, and they sure as hell don’t make any kind of decent trans ally.
But as long as there are “down low” guys we’ll continue to be OK financially.
It is real, and it is happening, and not just in the USA-Quote:
Originally Posted by Superrage
Viktor Orban, who has rejected the EU’s vision of liberal democracy, issued a decree to revoke accreditation and funding for gender studies programmes at the two universities that provide them in the central European country earlier in October.
“The government’s standpoint is that people are born either male or female, and we do not consider it acceptable for us to talk about socially constructed genders rather than biological sexes,” a spokesman for the prime minister said.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8599796.html
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Originally Posted by filghy2
Nice of you to demonstrate my point so clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superrage
I doubt that PDT has an opinion either negative or positive about the Trans community..
However, I think Middle America has a problem when so-called Liberal positions that go against common sense (such as allowing Trans woman athletes to compete against genetic females).
Everyone (except Trans activists) knows that this is ridiculous and unfair. Trans athletes should recognize the patent unfairness of the situation and not aggitate for this particular "right.". There will be a backlash.
It's porn forum. I am not expecting a lot. However, if you want to something to be done encourage people to vote. Talking about what to do isn't going to fix anything. Asking people to vote and getting people out to vote can be more impactful. Honestly, the discussion on this forum is what one makes it. Nor is generalizations helpful either.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelliBlueEyes
I don't think that's what this issue is really about. It's primarily about whether transsexuals should be protected against discrimination based on their sexual orientation in employment, housing, education, health care, etc. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...n-civil-rightsQuote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
A transgender co-worker that I know is extremely concerned about loosing her job.....However, she's already been hired for over a year and performing excellently - but I understand her concern 100%...
This is the EXACT reason why I rarely post in the Political section anymore. On Twitter it’s a different situation.Quote:
Re lack of discussion here, I think a big part of the problem is that Trump's outrages are so continual that is has a numbing effect over time. Many people think "what's the point of even discussing this?", especially when the Trump fans/apologists here are either unable or unwilling to engage in sensible and honest discussion.
Glad I’m not in that group, because people that actually know me know how I feel about this potential legislation.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelliBlueEyes
How/why is it different? The impression I get from polls etc is that at least 80% of Republicans these days are full-on Trumpists who don't want to see or hear any evil about him, while most of the rest prefer to keep their heads down because they don't want to side with 'liberals'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
It’s because they’re full-on Trumpists that don’t want to listen to facts and there’s no point of me wasting my time arguing with them, even if my arguments are valid and based in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
I know. I was asking why you said it's a different situation on Twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
It would be nice to have intelligent conservatives who could actually debate issues based on evidence, through I doubt that these discussions ever really change anybody's mind. The best you can ever do is to draw information to the attention of people who may be open to receiving it. As the poster above said, the only solution is for people to get motivated and vote out those who support this kind of thing.
Careful what you wish for, Flighty.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Define "outrages." Better yet, I'll define it for you. "Outrages" are what happens anytime liberals don't get exactly what they want. "Outrages" are also what happens anytime infants or chimpanzees don't get exactly what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
I'm perfectly willing to engage in sensible and honest discussion with liberals. The problem is, I've never encountered a liberal who had any better argument than "Here's how things OUGHT to be..."
Been working for the last couple of weeks with this young guy - son-of-a-friend kind of thing. Kid wants to learn about turbos. And this kid is a liberal, always spouting off about this right or that injustice, anti-gun rhetoric, the usual liberal nonsense; much to the amusement of me and the other older guys who pop in now and then. And you know what this kid's hobby is? Immortality. You heard me right. Immortality via prosthetics - kid wants to replace his body over time with robotic parts, including the organs. This young man doesn't even have a pot to piss in (lives with his parents, drives a car given to him by his father, only income is his allowance), but instead of thinking about getting his life together, he's thinking about becoming Iron Man.
This social anomaly is no surprise to me. In fact it wouldn't have surprised me if the kid was into voodoo or My Little Pony. There is no moral, religious, or practical point to which a liberal can aspire far out enough on the bizarro chart to surprise me. Because I think of liberals as children.
Liberals are children and their parents are the bespectacled, over-educated scions of uncommon sense and impractical application of power in Washington called the Democratic Party.
The economy is in great shape, and the USA looks to be on-course for indefinite prosperity under the Trump administration. It's too bad a man like Donald Trump was forced to rise to power on the backs of the religious right. But that's how it had to happen, and now you have a problem with transgender rights as Trump (necessarily) caters to his power base.
Any man in power is obligated. In retrospect, it seems obvious that Obama was obligated to the good old military-industrial complex, since he ended up not only reneging on his campaign promise to pull us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but actually increasing our presence in both of those shitholes. Bush was obligated to Big Oil. Trump is obligated to the religious right and his own business interests, which rely on American preeminence to prosper. So Donald Trump's interests, and the interests of the average American citizen, happen to run parallel right now.
The liberal cacophony (one that has taken on the distinct flavor of good old-fashioned "playa-hating") is becoming background noise as continued success proves to be its own reward for President Donald Trump.
The pendulum always swings back the other way though. When transgenders do get their full rights (2024), it will be in a more prosperous and stable country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U3V00h8tnkQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
I must admit your reappearance took me by surprise Nick, though everything you've said here is entirely predictable. I thought you might have found a new career that was keeping you too busy to post here - a writer of tall stories, perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
I'm not going to get sucked into playing a pointless game of whack-a-mole with you, particularly as the only thing you have to say on the topic of this thread is that the rights of transsexuals are a necessary sacrifice to 'Make America Great Again'.
[QUOTE=Nick Danger;1858515]
I'm perfectly willing to engage in sensible and honest discussion with liberals. The problem is, I've never encountered a liberal who had any better argument than "Here's how things OUGHT to be..."
--Nick, Welcome back.
I don't know anything about turbos, so I assume your teaching skills will help your young friend learn a skill.
The question is basic: what are Rights? The US with its Constitution is based fundamentally on Rights. But if Rights are extended to a group of Americans -in this case, that minority who are Transgendered or define themselves other than as either Male or Female- but these Rights are then taken away, were they actually Rights in the Constitutional or legal sense? And if the extension of Rights is an advance, can we agree that taking them away is a reversal? And, if it is easy to select Transgendered Americans for punishment -given that their opponents believe they are undermining American society- why not take rights away from other Americans? Crucially, do Rights have any meaning if they can be given one year, taken away the next?
It presents itself as Un-American to those who see Rights as the foundation of the USA.
The economy is in great shape, and the USA looks to be on-course for indefinite prosperity under the Trump administration.
--Nick, just because it looks good and feels good doesn't mean that it is. Think of yourself at a party where everyone is getting drunk, careless of the hangover to follow.
The 45th President is presiding over the economic growth that has been taking place since his predecessor and his team stabilized the US economy after the Republican Crash of 2008, though he is too vain and selfish a person to honour that legacy. His own policies now threaten that legacy and the growth you crow about.
One could cite the turbulence on the Stock Market caused by the rolling impact of Tariffs, a foolish move that has already forced the 45th President to turn away from liberalism and conservatism and do what socialists are claimed to do -give away other people's money to lost causes -such as the $12 Billion instant subsidy to Soy Bean farmers who lost contracts with China -a direct result of his stupid policy-on top of the $25 Billion annual subsidy to farmers who can't make a profit on the open market.
One could cite the Pork Barrel politics of the Swamp that 45 was supposed to drain that 'earmarks' tax payer dollars to the tune of billions and billions of dollars to keep their Districts and their State in work -call it 'Swamp Sociaism' why don't you?- thus:
The $593 million earmark for the continued upgrade of the M1 Abrams tank is an increase of 1,383 percent over the $40 million earmarked in FY 2016
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...umn/792588002/
see also
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ending-in-2018
If you aren't bothered by Republican Socialism, you could ponder the longer term problem that under the 45th President the US economy is over-heating and may be headed for a recession, as if the President cared!
Trump’s fiscal policy is moving from loose to reckless: plans for tax cut 2.0 are solidifying, even though the first round of cuts is likely to produce unsustainable deficits. Little thought is being given to the consequences other than the effect on the November elections.
and
The second cloud is excessive debt.....So far, consumers seem able to carry the debt they have taken on. Credit card delinquencies remain low at 2.4 percent. But savings rates are also low: 40 percent of adults say they would not be able to pay all their bills if faced with a $400 emergency, and auto loan delinquencies continue to mount, unusual in an economy as healthy as ours.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/irwin...my-overheating
Face the stunning fact: the 45th President is an incompetent fool, leading a country mired in Trillions and Trillions of dollars of debt, encouraging even more debt, racking up the debt in the same way that he ran his casinos into the ground by borrowing today on the premise you pay it back tomorow beause if you own a casino you can't lose, because the house always wins. Ponder that extraordinary fact: the owner of a casino who loses. The USA has a casino economy, great when you are winning, but what happens in three or four years time when the Tariffs bite, and the lenders want their money back?
Any man in power is obligated. In retrospect, it seems obvious that Obama was obligated to the good old military-industrial complex, since he ended up not only reneging on his campaign promise to pull us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but actually increasing our presence in both of those shitholes... So Donald Trump's interests, and the interests of the average American citizen, happen to run parallel right now.
--This is a distortion of the facts.
At their height there were over 170,000 US service personnel in Iraq, and it was the deal GW Bush struk with the Government of Iraq in 2008 which agreed the withdrawal of US forces by 2011 that Obama was obliged to honour -and he did, even though his critics then claimed it was his fault that the withdrawals agreed and acted on by GW Bush allegedly created the vacuum filled by ISIS! For the record when Obama left office, there were approx 8,992 troops in Iraq so that he presided over a net decrease, not increase in Iraq. In Afghanistan at its height there were over 100,000 service personnel in the country. By the time Obama left office there were just over 8,000 -he wanted it reduced to 5,500 -again, a net decrease, not an increase.
It is the 45th President who is increasing troops in Afghanistan, with the rider that the US public not be told how many because this transparency also tells 'the enemy'! The number of troops in Afghanistan has risen to 14,000 at least, with the additional fact that it is under the 45th President that US forces are now in operation in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, the Yemen, Niger and probably Mali too. Obama has been critizied for his 'strategic caution' -has the reckless 45th President achieved any of the USA's military objectives in the countries listed above?
https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=51411555
https://www.npr.org/2015/12/19/45985...=1540705847640
Underneath that canopy of feel good emotion, the USA is sitting on a swamp of debt. The President is leading the USA to the cliff edge, more concerned with attacking the media than focusing on the real issues. A man who has spent the last two years heaping insult and abuse on Americans, who relentlessly attacks the media for not worshipping him, has openly called on his supporters to be violent, to purchase more guns and to use them -yet denies any responsibility for those acts of violence he has openly called for.
He has blood on his hands. The blood of dead Americans. Lock him up!
The 45th President of the USA is without doubt unfit for public office: a liar,a racist, a crook and a traitor. He is a threat to international stablity, and a menace to freedom itself. The sooner he is thrown out of office, the better. Do it now.
Look whose speaking up
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...stoked-finally
Stavros, are you familiar with the concept of "Optimized Self-Interest?" Optimized Self-Interest means that every participant in a statistical model is putting forth maximum effort to advance his own position. The fact that Optimized Self-Interest exists in only a small percentage of people is the reason statistics and projections are mostly pointless. It's why the USA has so many technical jobs with no one to fill them. It's why gas prices can never be predicted with any real accuracy. It's why the better team doesn't always win in sports. It's why Hillary lost the election when she was expected to win in a landslide. It's why I prefer girls with dicks even though I have no clue why. The truth is, you can never tell what people are going to do.
I'm not sure what you mean by "casino economy." I mean yes, we have a lot of debt. We also have a lot of assets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
The banks to whom the USA owes money always get paid. That's how we are able to maintain trillions of dollars in debt - because everyone knows they will get paid. This national debt that people get so twisty about is no different than an average person using an American Express card. It's not a problem as long as you pay it off. I myself have a ridiculously high credit limit, but the reason my credit limit is so high is because I can be trusted to pay it off. I could go out right now and get myself in a lot of trouble with credit cards. But I don't; that's why I'm entrusted to have that option.
People throw numbers around as if they can actually wrap their head around the numbers. "TRILLIONS" of dollars in debt!! Okay, well, that sounds like a lot until you consider that there are hundreds of millions of people here - the richest people in the world - working in hundreds of multi-billion-dollar industries, generating TRILLIONS of dollars ANNUALLY. Yes, we have a national American Express card. And we're using it. So what?
You probably are wondering why I brought up Optimized Self-Interest. It's because that has taken on a new meaning in the political sphere. Democrats are voting for Trump, because they have enough information, here in the Information Age, to understand that whatever their "special" interest might be, it all relies on the underlying economy. Liberal mouthpieces can go on and on about how they created a strong economy and now the conservatives are taking credit, but it's no more true now than it has been every other time they've said it - during every Republican administration in history. The American economy is fast and loose, week-to-week, day-to-day. During a Democratic regime it clenches up like a virgin asshole, during a Republican regime, it shits gold. Nothing Obama did is relevant to the current state of the economy. Obama is now a public speaker. And a damn good one at that.
We are currently riding on pure economic optimism. Which is just fine considering that in a fiat economy, all the money is imaginary anyway. Economic optimism has a real dollar value now.
I've been to four different cities since Trump took command. St. George, Las Vegas, Nashville, and NYC. Every single one of them is prospering like never before, new construction is everywhere, prices are stable, unemployment is practically non-existent.
Whatever shenanigans Trump is up to, it's working. Period. Results count. Results are all that count. Deep inside, even the most tattooed, nipple-pierced, tree-hugging victim-lover knows this. And that's why you better be ready for 4 more years of Trumpism before your outrage over special interests is addressed.
[QUOTE=Nick Danger;1858576]
The banks to whom the USA owes money always get paid. That's how we are able to maintain trillions of dollars in debt - because everyone knows they will get paid. This national debt that people get so twisty about is no different than an average person using an American Express card. It's not a problem as long as you pay it off. I myself have a ridiculously high credit limit, but the reason my credit limit is so high is because I can be trusted to pay it off. I could go out right now and get myself in a lot of trouble with credit cards. But I don't; that's why I'm entrusted to have that option.
--Or, to put it another way: if banks fail, the losers -their customers- will bail them out, and give the bankers even more money than they had before. You might want to ask how it was that the Crash of 2008 even happened, and why it is that in the same period since 1850 there have been hundreds of bank failures in the US but none in Canada, but I guess you regard a banking failure is little different from a weather forecast that claims the day will be warm and sunny that turns cold, with rain. Most of all, it is your indifference to the incompetence of US banks that stands out.
People throw numbers around as if they can actually wrap their head around the numbers. "TRILLIONS" of dollars in debt!! Okay, well, that sounds like a lot until you consider that there are hundreds of millions of people here - the richest people in the world - working in hundreds of multi-billion-dollar industries, generating TRILLIONS of dollars ANNUALLY. Yes, we have a national American Express card. And we're using it. So what?
--So what, indeed. When the next crash along because of your addiction to debt, and you lose your house, your car and your cocker spaniel, will you shrug your shoulders and say, so what?
Liberal mouthpieces can go on and on about how they created a strong economy and now the conservatives are taking credit, but it's no more true now than it has been every other time they've said it - during every Republican administration in history. The American economy is fast and loose, week-to-week, day-to-day. During a Democratic regime it clenches up like a virgin asshole, during a Republican regime, it shits gold. Nothing Obama did is relevant to the current state of the economy. Obama is now a public speaker. And a damn good one at that.
--Like your silly claim that Obama increased the USA's military engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan, which I demonstrated to be garbage, you ignore the fact that when Ronald Reagan left office the USA had the highest deficit in its history; that when Bill Clinton left office, the USA had cleared its debt and there was a budget surplus. This was followed by another Republican Presidency that transformed the surplus into a deficit of such gigantic proportions it hangs over your head like a safe held from the ceiling by an ever fraying wire. Dick Cheney said 'deficits don't matter', yet Paul Ryan was so concerned he created a 'debt clock' to monitor the debt when Obama was President as if it were his fault -and quietly removed the same 'debt clock' when his successor came into office in case it embarrassed both of them. I daresay that in general the two parties have a mixed record -Eisenhower was probably the meanest President in recent times, -in fact the last real example of a fiscal conservative- but at a time when the US economy was in far better shape than it is now.
We are currently riding on pure economic optimism. Which is just fine considering that in a fiat economy, all the money is imaginary anyway. Economic optimism has a real dollar value now.
--This statement contradicts the statements that preceded it.
Whatever shenanigans Trump is up to, it's working. Period. Results count. Results are all that count. Deep inside, even the most tattooed, nipple-pierced, tree-hugging victim-lover knows this. And that's why you better be ready for 4 more years of Trumpism before your outrage over special interests is addressed.
--We have been here before, the sun is shining, the kids are on the beach, your job is secure, you have a lovely wife and Rover is snoozing on the porch. What could possibly go wrong? Nothing, until it goes wrong. And all those analysts and economists warning you that there is a cliff edge ahead, who listens to them these days anyway?
As for those irritating Transgendered Americans, do you not think they deserve to know why the rights they had have been taken away? You are keen to defend the administration of the 45th President, yet appear to disregard the rights of your equals as if they were not rights at all, but some sort of political popcorn that daddy takes away because they have had enough.
The secret was there the moment the 45th President put a portrait of the 7th President in a prominent place in the Oval Office, his way of pissing on all those Americas he resents for treating him like a third-rate tv host and failed businessman. He even made sure that when Chiefs of the Navajo Nation were 'honoured' in the White House he made them stand under the portrait of a man so assiduous in his slaughter of First Nations he became known as 'the Indian Killer'. The 45th President using the 7th to piss in the face of people so much better than him.
When Democrats were targeted this month by a fanatical supporter who posted pipe bombs intended to inkure or kill, the 45th President had an opportunity to show empathy with the potential victims, to rise above party politics to defend the rights of his equals -he did no such thing, but laughed along with his supporters when at a rally they barked at a victim of terrorism, 'Lock Her Up!' to underline the gulf between decency and shame that this President has done so much to widen.
It is a shame you don't show more empathy with those Americans who have been told they will no longer exist, because they ask you to call them Michelle rather than Michael, because in what may be desperate moments, they seek love rather than hate. Is it really too much to ask that your fellow Americans enjoy the same rights that you do? That you agree to endorse the view that every American is equal, one in relation to the other? I don't think so.
Hyperbole, Stavros. No one is X'ing anyone out of existence. The transgender in your example will always exist. But if certain people have their way, for the time being she will have to exist legally as "Michael" based on her birth gender. This will have no effect whatsoever on her activities that don't involve banking, insurance, or going to jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
This problem is the fault of liberals. It's certainly possible that by now we could be having a legitimate national conversation about introducing additional gender-identifiers for transgenders, if liberals hadn't already scared the hell out of everyone by insisting there are...IIRC, 63 is the largest number of possible genders I have heard put out there seriously by liberals. Unfortunately for these self-appointed gender police, for 7,000 years of recorded history up to the current date, there have only ever been two genders. That simple and undeniable fact won't stop liberals from blustering their half-considered dogma at anyone who accidentally comes within earshot.
To top it all off, the LGBT community had the audacity to confront the entire country with a list of entirely new, stupid-sounding pronouns and then DEMAND that we use them.
Not sure who's in charge of LGBT PR, but whoever it is is a mouth-breathing idiot.
The proletariat's response to all this has basically been, first, laughter, and then, a solid decision to ignore these political midgets.
Now me, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I am pro-rights. For everyone, but particularly for transgenders because I love them. IMO, we need 7 gender identifiers: Male, Female, MtF post-op and pre-op, FtM post-op and pre-op, and "Other." That covers all the bases, no hurt feelings, everyone gets to exist.
With a little bit of perspective and a slightly more conservative approach to getting what they want, the liberals COULD have been well on top of the gender issue by now. Instead they have been arrogant, made fools of themselves, and made a mockery of our political system. People notice that kind of shit. Trump is more backlash to that arrogance than anything else.
Probably will, Stavros. Unlike many people, I am a responsible citizen, and a responsible consumer. I've lived through LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, and Trump. I keep my shit wired tight. I have money saved and invested. I own things, including my own business. I protect myself from economic downturns. My view of this current bull economy is, it's a time to expand my interests, diversify, advance my position. If a crash happens, I'm ready. The 2008 crash wasn't even a blip on my personal radar, it was somebody else's problem. I came out of it better than I went in. All it really meant to me was, bad time to sell my house, which is not something I was looking to do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
I wasn't born in this position. I attained it via hard work and smart choices. If other people are set up for a big fall, well, I feel bad for them. Truly I do. But I can't live their lives for them, I can only live my own.
It's not a silly claim, Stavros, it happens to be a fact that before he finally did reduce the number of American troops in Afghanistan to a token amount, he INCREASED the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 30,000 to over 100,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Here's a handy article for you, complete with a giant penis-shaped graph which shows us getting a real hard-on over there between 2009 and 2012:
https://www.npr.org/2016/07/06/48497...ed-under-obama
And here's another handy article showing the increase in Iraq:
http://time.com/4298318/iraq-us-troo...ma-mosul-isis/
I guess this could all be fake news though, Stavros. You tell me.
Every American is not equal, Stavros. Some are better than others. Stronger. Smarter. Equality of opportunity does not equal equality of outcome. Every American has equality of opportunity. Every American, regardless of race, religion, economic level, or gender, can choose to study hard, work hard, follow the law, pick a smart career path, live responsibly, and prosper. But not every American chooses to do that. So not every American gets to live the American Dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Those people who have made poor choices get angry. Life is hard when you're irresponsible. Then you have what we have now - the modern Democratic Party, the biggest group of victims in American history.
Intersexed is a 3rd gender.
Man goes to hospital, discovers he's a woman When Steve Crecelius got an ultrasound at a Denver hospital (what was he being treated for?) he got some surprising results: It turned out that he is intersex, or possessing both gender's anatomical sex traits. Crecelius, who now goes by Stevie and identifies as a woman, says he wants to share his story in hopes of inspiring other intersex people to be comfortable with their gender identity (is Crecelius married?).
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http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/E9/41D992...B0B6C1ADFF.jpg
http://specials.msn.com/a-list/healt...-popular-pages
Hyperbole, Nick. Nice demonstration of the art of reductio ad absurdum, but where are any of these things in the legal/regulatory measures that the Trump administration is reversing? I'm sure if you'd been alive 60 years ago you would have claimed that racial violence in the south was the fault of liberals pushing for equality and ignoring thousands of years of history in which lesser races had been subjugated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
Rather than hijacking this thread, how about you and Stavros start up you own - The Bullshit Artist vs The Professor or something like that?
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This problem is the fault of liberals. It's certainly possible that by now we could be having a legitimate national conversation about introducing additional gender-identifiers for transgenders, if liberals hadn't already scared the hell out of everyone by insisting there are...IIRC, 63 is the largest number of possible genders I have heard put out there seriously by liberals. Unfortunately for these self-appointed gender police, for 7,000 years of recorded history up to the current date, there have only ever been two genders. That simple and undeniable fact won't stop liberals from blustering their half-considered dogma at anyone who accidentally comes within earshot.
To top it all off, the LGBT community had the audacity to confront the entire country with a list of entirely new, stupid-sounding pronouns and then DEMAND that we use them.
--Why is the fault of Liberals and not the fault of Conservatives who refuse to see what is right in front of them?
Are you serious when you claim Americans are scared by the reality that some of their equals don't want to be identified as being only Male or Female? Scared? Be scared of nuclear war, but don't be scared of a small minority of Americans who have the right to self-identify, and if not scared, be worried that the Federal and State authorities insist on telling you who you are, regardless of the reality.
-Recorded history alone reveals that there has not always been a fixed attachment to two binary genders: Plato in The Symposium refers to the Greek belief that originally there was only one gender before that was separated into two; the Berdache of North America, the Mahu of Hawaii, the Xanith and Mukhannath of Arabia, the 'Eunuchs' of China and others in India and Africa all testify to the awareness in societies across the world and time that we are not and never ever been locked into either Male or Female identities and behaviour
-Fundamental to this is not the outrage at 'Liberals' or the 'Democrats'. Think about it: the Democratic Party is the party of America that looks like America where the Republican Party merely looks like a segment of America. This has not always worked well for the party -it cost them in the period between 1968-1992 but has been their primary constituency since then, and bear in mind Hillary Clinton did win the popular vote in 2016 and that in a sense, the Democratic Party is 'the natural party of government' because it has a broader representation of the American people than the GOP.
-Fundamental to this, then, is the real fear: the fear by the White, Christian Nationalists that they are losing control of 'their country' to an assortment of rainbow people -many of whom, but not all- don't believe in their God, have no emotional attachment to Jamestown or Fort Sumter, but do to Gettysberg and Selma. The fight against Transgender Rights is not just about Rights, it is about identity and the belief that 'it has all gone wrong since the 1960s' but wrapped up in that is not just the issue of identity rights, but the broader fear that has simmered since 1865, that Black people are demanding to be equal -why do you think that in the Carolinas, Alabama and Tennessee and now as far north as Ohio, it is Black Americans who are being thrown off the electoral register and denied the Right to vote? Transgendered Americans are a small minority of the overall population, but have become the easy target extreme conservatives are using to roll back 50 years of Civil Rights that made the USA a better place for all.
It's not a silly claim, Stavros, it happens to be a fact that before he finally did reduce the number of American troops in Afghanistan to a token amount, he INCREASED the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 30,000 to over 100,000.
--My point was that by the end of his two terms, Obama had reduced the troop presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, as your links prove.
Spare a thought for those young Transgendered Americans who don't have a bank account, who dropped out of High School and may only have basic reading and writing skills, who are not living life as the average Americans and may be emotionally confused and prone to addiction and suicide. So small a segment of the population who can be helped through empathy, through low-cost social programmes, who can be admitted into society through the simple act of acceptance -legal and moral-, and the confirmation that they are not freaks or a threat to 'the American way'. If you are sympathetic, don't just dismiss this present war as a 'blip' that will be corrected in 2020, some of those young Americans might not live that long.
They deserve to be identified as Americans with equal Rights, taking away those Rights is Wrong.
In fact, Republicans have received a majority of votes at only one Presidential election since 1988. So it is arguable that if the USA had a fair electoral system none of this would be happening, and nor would we have to put up with Nick Danger's relentlessly smug crowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
By the way Professor, you missed the Fa'afafine of Samoa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine
I should've said I'm different on Twitter, compared to my other social media appearances. I positively give zero fucks over there. I've currently restricted for 12 hours from posting/liking/retweeting and such for that attitude. I'm more restrained elsewhere, including here.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Is that what it's called when someone interrupts your liberal circle-jerk with an actual counter-argument? "Hijacking the thread?" "Relentlessly smug crowing?"Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
That's why I'm here in your usually comfy butt-patting echo chamber, Flighty - I'm the guy who cares enough to pull you back across the rainbow.
I'm sorry, Stavros, but I just don't feel sorry for people who make poor choices, reap the consequences, then spend the rest of their lives bitching about it.Quote:
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I won't belabor the point, but there are simply no excuses in the USA. Every resource you need is handed to you - we educate you, teach you right from wrong, and allow you to choose the position that suits you best in our massive juggernaut of an economy.
There's absolutely nothing stopping a transgender from leading a perfectly normal life here...IF that's what they want. But very often it seems that isn't what they want. They want a life on the edge, they want to party while they're young, do all the drugs then drink their breakfast, live in nightclubs and bars, crash on couches, sell sex to survive. Okay, that's an option. But meantime, for every young trans person preparing themselves for disappointment, there are a dozen other young Americans preparing themselves for the real world. And those people who are putting in the work are going to out-live you. And I don't mean they're going to live longer than you, though they probably will. I mean they are going to out-perform you in every area of life, and you'll end up a middle-aged loser facing a long, dark journey to the bitter end.
And I could say that's sad. It actually is sad. But there are 10 million sad stories in the naked city and I don't have time for the ones that end with everything actually being your own damn fault.
Nick; You can't educate Pork ! :banghead
Liberals here in the UK do more harm than good, they really are the lowest, most pointless, form of society. If I said on here what I'd like to do with them all, he would get his friend the moderator to ban me again!
so suddenly the electoral college is unfair after a couple of hundred plus years?Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2