Trump to ban trans people from military

The lunatic in chief has decided that transgendered folks are unfit to serve in the American armed forces, reversing President Obama's directive allowing it.
Our national nightmare continues.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59...ushpmg00000067

After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you

Here's the link

Here we go

Yep, It's about to get bad for minorities

Ugh.

He's right.

I see this in your Twitter!

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Originally Posted by lordworm

He's right.

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According to this LA Times article, in 2011, approximately 23 of every 100,000 patients were diagnosed with GID. That means less than 500 people of the 2+ million people in the military are identified as transgender. Treatment for 500 people in the military is not only not "tremendous," in the scope of the military's budget, but a drop in the bucket to things like the long criticized and stumbling, 1.5 Trillion dollar F-35 program that even Trump has criticized. On top of that, when you look at multi billion dollar waste coverups of the Pentagon, it becomes clear that not only would having transgender people be manageable financially, but money is clearly not an issue at heart. It's all political. So no, he's not right.

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Originally Posted by Samui

According to this LA Times article, in 2011, approximately 23 of every 100,000 patients were diagnosed with GID. That means less than 500 people of the 2+ million people in the military are identified as transgender. Treatment for 500 people in the military is not only not "tremendous," in the scope of the military's budget, but a drop in the bucket to things like the long criticized and stumbling, 1.5 Trillion dollar F-35 program that even Trump has criticized. On top of that, when you look at multi billion dollar waste coverups of the Pentagon, it becomes clear that not only would having transgender people be manageable financially, but money is clearly not an issue at heart. It's all political. So no, he's not right.

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They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

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Originally Posted by legault

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

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You do realize that the majority of the military is not involved in combat.

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Originally Posted by legault

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

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If they volunteer to serve and put their lives on the line to protect this country and others they should be given the utmost respect.

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Originally Posted by legault

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

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You have no understanding of the military and the functions served within it. As Trapt53 said, most of the military is not involved in and will never see combat. There are administrative positions, intelligence, maintenance, technical, etc. Furthermore, I have worked with many adept pilots who went into combat and are women. Don't speak on subjects you obviously don't understand. The fact that you think the whole of the military should be barred from women just because of their ability in ground combat roles is a profound display of ignorance. In addition to that, you fail to provide any evidence for your claim in regards to transgender men and women.

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Originally Posted by Samui

You have no understanding of the military and the functions served within it. As Trapt53 said, most of the military is not involved in and will never see combat. There are administrative positions, intelligence, maintenance, technical, etc. Furthermore, I have worked with many adept pilots who went into combat and are women. Don't speak on subjects you obviously don't understand. The fact that you think the whole of the military should be barred from women just because of their ability in ground combat roles is a profound display of ignorance. In addition to that, you fail to provide any evidence for your claim in regards to transgender men and women.

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Well said. If someone wants to support their country by joining the military then what the hell has gendered to do with it. I salute them all.

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Originally Posted by legault

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

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Yeah, ineffective.

Tell that to the female russian snipers with more kills than any USA man soldier.

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Originally Posted by Samui

You have no understanding of the military and the functions served within it. As Trapt53 said, most of the military is not involved in and will never see combat. There are administrative positions, intelligence, maintenance, technical, etc. Furthermore, I have worked with many adept pilots who went into combat and are women. Don't speak on subjects you obviously don't understand. The fact that you think the whole of the military should be barred from women just because of their ability in ground combat roles is a profound display of ignorance. In addition to that, you fail to provide any evidence for your claim in regards to transgender men and women.

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And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.

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Originally Posted by legault

And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.

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LOL.
I thought I'd seen stupid here before.

On the 69th anniversary of the day when President Truman officially desegregated the US military. And not a coincidence.

This is the kind of vindictive act that has Stephen Bannon's fingerprints all over it, not least because the Defence Secretary Mathis knew nothing about it. Yet again, six months in and there are no new policies emerging from the White House for Congress to consider, only the infantile act of revenge which says: what did Obama do? Let's undo it.

As for the service personnel, one of the Navy Seal 6 team that conducted the raid in Pakistan that killed bin Laden but retired shortly before that operation, has written a book (Warrior Princess) about her service and her transition, but now she and every other transgendered veteran along with those still serving is to be discarded as if they were useless freaks.
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/artic...rrior-princess

So there you are, you woke up this morning and it was 1949 all over again. With Jim Crow, not Truman.

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And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.

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No, combat readiness is not important for every role, it's why those aforementioned divisions I mentioned aren't trained for actual combat. Look, I realize you think admitting you're wrong will make you look bad, but doubling down and saying blatantly stupid shit is far far worse.

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Originally Posted by legault

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

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Wouldn't want to depend on your tiny mind for defense.

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Originally Posted by Samui

According to this LA Times article, in 2011, approximately 23 of every 100,000 patients were diagnosed with GID. That means less than 500 people of the 2+ million people in the military are identified as transgender. Treatment for 500 people in the military is not only not "tremendous," in the scope of the military's budget, but a drop in the bucket to things like the long criticized and stumbling, 1.5 Trillion dollar F-35 program that even Trump has criticized. On top of that, when you look at multi billion dollar waste coverups of the Pentagon, it becomes clear that not only would having transgender people be manageable financially, but money is clearly not an issue at heart. It's all political. So no, he's not right.

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Trumpsuckers will call this verifiable stat fake news.

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Originally Posted by Trapt53

You do realize that the majority of the military is not involved in combat.

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You mean they all don't kick in doors? Holy shit!

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Originally Posted by legault

And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.

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Readiness

And plenty of women have proven to be combat ready. That's how they, and everyone else can deploy.....by being combat ready.

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

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Originally Posted by legault

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

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Is it super far left to think it's wrong that a right granted by the government could be taken away? I can't think of a precedent for it. And I thought conservatives were all about individual rights.

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Originally Posted by legault

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

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This post really highlights the problem with you. You accept or dismiss issues based on left vs. right instead of right vs. wrong. Learn to think for yourself instead of what the party line tells you to think

I wont't be happy till DADT is back.

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Originally Posted by Samui

This post really highlights the problem with you. You accept or dismiss issues based on left vs. right instead of right vs. wrong. Learn to think for yourself instead of what the party line tells you to think

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Typical of people on the extremes of politics. They saying something ignorant while going "lol the left/lol the right" in place of actual reasoning. They try to be edgy by "telling it how it is".

Perhaps the Fuckwit-in -Chief could answer this...
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If you ever saw one of the Queens trans girls fighting, you'd definitely want her for Special Ops lol

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Originally Posted by legault

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

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You do realise that your membership of this very forum means that Comrade Trump and his like think YOU are a perverted, disfunctual freak, don't you?

Pop along to your nearest next Trump loving. Self appreciation rally and then tell me you were happy to tell those there that you have sex with transsexuals.

I won't hold my breath.

It appears that government-by-twitter isn't working...

In a rebuke to Trump’s attempt to run the government and military via Twitter, Gen Joseph Dunford, America’s top military officer, said on Thursday that the armed forces would continue to permit transgender people to serve openly until the defense secretary, Jim Mattis, has received Trump’s “direction” to change the policy and figured out how to implement it.
In a memo to all military service chiefs, commanders and enlisted military leaders, Dunford, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said “there will be no modifications” to current policy for now, amid questions about Trump’s announcement on Twitter that the US government will not “accept or allow” transgender people to serve in any capacity in the military.

“I know there are questions about yesterday’s announcement,” Dunford began, adding that nothing would change until the president’s direction has been received by Mattis and Mattis has issued “implementation guidance”.

“In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect,” Dunford wrote. “As importantly, given the current fight and the challenges we face, we will all remain focused on accomplishing our assigned missions.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...on-us-military

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If you ever saw one of the Queens trans girls fighting, you'd definitely want her for Special Ops lol

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Same with some of the girls out here...they don't play

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I wont't be happy till DADT is back.

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You've been a member for almost six years, and this is your first post. Bet your friend wouldn't like that the fact you're into "chicks with dicks" going by your debut comment...

This is far from the only anti-LGBTQ measure the Trump administration is taking. https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...partment-lgbtq

I wonder what are these people thinking now? http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...trannies+trump Has it dawned on them that they've been had, or are they still in the bubble of denial?

Trump is right.

Here is a good video to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtwPdwuV1E

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Originally Posted by JerkingDude

Trump is right.

Here is a good video to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtwPdwuV1E

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garbage the cost is minuscule and we already have an inflated military budget we throw money away doing useless things like building tanks we don't need then giving them to saudis

Speaking about trump, i'm still waiting for him to make america great again....

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Originally Posted by JerkingDude

Trump is right.

Here is a good video to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtwPdwuV1E

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Ah yes, right wing shock jock Gavin McInnes dressing up like a caricature to mock Trans women and generalizing them all as mentally unstable. And primarily relying on combat roles to dismiss them from the entirety of the military despite their being numerous non-combat roles like the idiot above. And despite the fact that Trans people have successfully conducted combat deployments. His understanding of the military is a caricature just like his representation of Trans women.

Only thing that is worthwhile he said was this UCLA study he noted regarding the number of trans people in the military. 15.5k seems like a huge over estimate. Politifact discusses that study as well as another which seems more reasonable in its estimate, but still pretty high. Regardless, Gavin doesn't say a single thing reasonable in his trying to justify this ban and you'd have to be a complete idiot to think he did.

Also in regards to expenditure for transgender health care, this Bloomberg article notes a study that estimates it would cost a resounding 8.4 million dollars or 0.0014 percent of Trump's total defense budget proposal. Yeah, such a financial "burden."

So yeah, Trump is wrong and why don't you come to the table with reputable sources instead of comedian idiots like Gavin McInnes.