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Circumcision - un-necessary but done for religion comes to mind but regardless to that, it wouldn't just be religious who are abusing their children it would be any who indoctrined them into conforming to their parents believes other than ones which contribute to them growing healthy and allowing them to have open and questioning minds when they develop.
seanchai
Interesting debate. I kind of agree.
In regards to circumcisons. Isn't it better to be circumcised? Plus, I'd hate to have to wash my dick every time I use it for one reason or another, plus, I am and I've seen guys/trannies in movies who have foreskin and I am disgusted by it.
AGTFB
I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT ANYTHING THAT IS ENFORCED ON A CHILD IS ABUSE,, THERE IS A DIFFERANCE BETWEEN DISIPLINEING YOUR CHILD TO RAISE HE/SHE WITH VALUES , AND LET THEIR MIND EVOLVE FOR WHEN THEY ARE OF AGE TO MAKE U UP THEIR OWN CHOICES. OPOSE TO ENFORCING RELIGION, OR ANY WAY OF LIFE AND MAKING THEM FEEL THAT ANY OTHER WAY OUT SIDE WHAT YOU MAY BE TEACHING THEM IS WRONG. REMEMBER CHILDREN ARE SPONGES AND WILL INTAKE EVERYTHING AROUND THEM, WHY CLOG THEIR MINDS & SOULS AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE??
I'm cicumcised also but there is no proof that is's better, whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by AGTFB
The reason you are disgusted by a foreskin is because you are indoctrined to believe that it's disgusting - ergo, child abuse.
Most Europeans are not circumcised and to many of them it's considered barbaric.
seanchai
I tend to agree with Nietzsche and his views on religion...so yes I think its harmful as religion has zero to do with morality and spirituality...just ask Pastor Ted
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Originally Posted by AGTFB
If you read, Bravo Two Zero by Andy McNab, there's a moment where SAS soldier Andy is saved from death by Iraqi's due to having a foreskin.
so you're saying in essence parenting should just cease to exist? the child will eventually figure it out for themselves, why teach any values to them at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by JANIRA
I think values and morals should be taught, but not forced. whether it be religion, veganism, political opinion, whatever. teach your child what you beleive is right, but allow them to think for themselves.
A very good topic, definitely odd forum. Consider the following:
1. It is the sole purpose of the Parent(s) to prepare their children for adult life in society. The success of the children is greatly influenced by the teaching and examples set by the parents.
2. If a parent has a strong belief, it would be impossible for them not to want to incorporate this belief system into their child. Not only impossible, but irresponsible. Remember, these people believe in the importance of their ideologies as strongly as others believe in the importance of education, of wearing condoms, eating well, etc. It is a life and death belief. Why would you not teach that to your children?
3. That obviously begs the big question; what belief is right? Are any of them true? Who is to decide? If we allow one to be generally accepted, how can you not allow others? If you ask a Christian, he would give you numerous reasons that the Muslim religion is not only bad but possibly harmful. Others could say the same for Christians. And if you really think of it logically, all religions are based on huge leaps of faith to accept each premise, all based on some form of ancient or recent mythology.
Bottom line is, some people believe that if we could eliminate all religion the world would be a better place. I personally know humans that, without religion in their life, would and could not be a productive member of society, as they have no ability to think and control their actions for themselves.
There is no right answer. We cannot save everyone. Parents must be responsible for their children. Once the child is of age, they can decide for themselves their future course. If their life was damaged irreparably by their parents upbringing, that was their lot in life. Others are born to poverty, disease, slavery, etc. The world can be a cruel place, especially for the innocent.
Christianity formed the foundation on which America has become the worlds only Superpower and largest humanitarian contributor.
It has brought not only real global leadership, but a STRONG and FAIR one at that.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFan
Nice. Needed a laugh on this cold day.
seanchai