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You got to be fuckin kidding me? British xenophobia????? All you Brits do on this forum is put down the US and it's inhabitants, just look at your own vile remarks about the tea party or rednecks. You brits constantly talk negatively about the US and now the talk is about the brits you cry like a baby. sheeeshQuote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
That was comment from the link that Bella provided not from me personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Yvonne - I have posted a huge number of positive things across this forum about American life - culture and politics. i love America and Americans which is why I so deeply deplore the perversion of American values that I see manifest in the impulses of the tea party and in the souther bigots who would probably kill you and most of the people in this forum. (To them we are perverts and weirdos). These people exist across the world. I hate them wherever and whenever i meet them. But there are no strands here talking about the hate manifested by Russians or Aussies or Dutch or whoever. The bulk of the political discussion on here is about America. And since America remains the most powerful nation in the world, what happens in your domestic politics shapes the future of all of us.
If I offer an intemperate response to your postings (those Buffy St Marie songs for instance) its an attempt to remind you that all of us - the British and the Americans and the rest) have horrible skeletons in our closets.
Oh and where do you see me crying like a baby> Really Yvonne. What's eating you up today?
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Originally Posted by Prospero
What is eating me is I am tired of reading, watching tv, web forums hearing from Europeans/UK how terrible we are in the US. Sometimes you seem to have some sort of playbook writen by a few people that tells you what life is really like here in the US.
While yes, if you use the phrase "Southern bigot" of course this person will want to kill me because by definition you labeled him a bigot, just like an English bigot would want to kill me but if you use the word southerner or even white southerner then this statement you make is not true. This is something that is written in that mythical book liberals seem to own.
I live with people that can be described as redneckish, but they don't want to kill me. there was more danger to my life when living around Obama supporters but you living in the UK probably don't believe cause it doesn't make sense in the book. When i say book, I mean liberal ideals.
You people in the UK and some Americans on this forum are all good and ready to make blanket statements about groups of people that you dislike but don't like it when the same is done in return. Just cause someone has a political idea that doesn't fits yours doesn't make them a bad person. And I just get tired of hearing british liberals talk as if they are God's gift to the world. I feel sometimes the Brits should clean their own yard before they try and clean the worlds yard, that is basically it.
What i meant about the cry baby thing was when you said British xenophobia,,, I didn't know what else to say,, i was laughing to much so saying cry baby is all i could think of.
No I don't like blanket statement. And you'll see i am careful to point at the racists among the tea party followers and the abuse of the ideals of ordinary people by billionaire business people.
You are now doing the same calling us "you people." Talk to me - talk to an individual rather than "you people." I am talking to you Yvonne. Not grandstanding.
And yes British xenophobia is a reality I do not deny it. I am ashamed of it. Many brits DO take a very simplistic viewpoint of the US. I have been to the US literally hundreds of times. i have many friends there - across the nation (and in the south) I have family there. I am not trafficking in stereotypes. I say the things i say out of love for your country - not hate. The things that frighten me - in the UK and the US - are the rise of unreasons, the rise of race hate (against Muslims right now) the re-awakening of an always latent homophobia, of anti Semitism and other such disturbing trends. Yes I am a "liberal" which is I have hear a dirty word in the US now - often aligned in some people's minds with being a commie (thanks in large part to the efforts of vicious idiots like Glen Beck). But I have ideals such as equalty, human rights, justice etc which I see being betrayed across the board (here and in your country) - and which i believe in passionately. Okay.
Please enlighten me about that one. And let's be real which party has pray the gay away? Which party had the debate in which the crowd booed an openly gay soldier yet none of the candidates didn't say a damn thing about how wrong the crowd was. I think there probably just as many gay republicans politicians as there is democrat but being open about it would be political suicide. The christian right has a very very strong presence in the republican politics. Which is ironic considering that don't even seem to be living by the teachings of Jesus. And i'm sure you're aware of the old southern strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yvonne183
My mistake,, when you said British Xenophobia I thought you meant Americans who hated British foreigners to America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Yvonne - sorry if you feel we hate Americans. It isn't so. Sorry to see you aligning yourself with the more virulent right wingers here. I am sure that isn't your natural home either and a position you're taking for the sake of this argument.
I regret to advise you that i will continue to post critical remarks about the penetration of the GOP by ignorance and viciousness. it is too important for us all not to remark upon. The USA is too powerful to fall into the hands of the ultra right. It will affect us all. Look at the mess our MUTUAL interference in iraq has left for the whole Middle east. Thanks to Bush and Blair.
Feel free to offer your insights on the horrible nature of the british Conservative party. They're a bunch of vile folk too.
Stay well. I'm logging out now.
Yvonne, I only started reading this thread today and don't have an interest in Canadian folk music even though I know a Canadian who plays it; I just commented on what interested me, and I wasn't criticising your views and did make the point that I myself have been subject to abuse in this country because of some confusion over my assumed origins.
The Insurgency in Malaya was over by the time the US began its operations in Vietnam, and the record of British imperialism in parts of America, Africa, and Asia is mixed, on the one hand there are cases of many atrocities, on the other hand there is a different, more positive perspective on Empire but to explain it would take a long time and it is not germane to this thread. And, as you point out, sometimes the US and the UK have been in nasty situations together.
Silc, I haven't read the whole thread, mea culpa.
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Originally Posted by Prospero
Bye,, it's been fun,, well sort of.
British SAS were running missions into Indonesia from Malaysia in 1965. They had air support when they got into a jam. The Vietnam war was well into it by 1965. Anyway, what difference does it make if the exact dates don't match, the brits did this the same thing as we did in Vietnam.My point is the Brits are exactly the same as the US, we are not different in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
I agree, it's good people are starting to let the complaints be known at the places that aided the problems, millions of Americans are straddling the poverty lines many without jobs or living pay check to pay check and with even just one unexpected expense can send a family under, one of the last and probably the hardest fight that will have to take place is getting the majority of the population from allowing religion to alter the way politics works, that way we can have more sensible moderates/independents who aren't bond by religion to sway one way or another like many republicans or forced to be anti republicans like a lot of democrats, for to long the people have been forced to pick the lesser of two evils each election year. Hopefully common sense and truth/honesty can be brought back to politics, and in doing so here can help fix a lot of the problems that go on in this worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
We've gotten a little off track here- though I doubt the protesters are any more focused. Here's a pic to help:
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Originally Posted by Silcc69
Excellent advice, Silcc. Which I will follow. When someone has an agenda which is not only transparent but also threadbare, there's no point.
LMAO...So now we have a race baiter and a master baiter ganging up on me . The HA version of ebony and ivory, or fric and frack lmao...I don't think I can stand it really. Both you sweethearts like to dish the bullshit but both of you are light in the ass, and light on your facts. You both are chronic accusers, but get all prickly and defensive when you're confronted. If you're man enough to play the race card, be man enough to take the heat...it's that serious. Here's the deal of the day for both you losers...Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
Do you see what I mean robertlouis? Talk about inferiority complex oh well i'm use to this guy so he can keep at it for all I care.
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Originally Posted by onmyknees
Nice tits. Did you grow them yourself?
OnMyKnees - what a joke you are. Enjoy your mad little world.
Yes, the sad thing is that he obviously operates under the delusion that anybody actually cares about what he says. Poor lamb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Ya, come on OMK you don't think like they do so you are:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
A: A Racist
B: Stupid
C: A rich elitist, and just trying to oppress people
D: From North Dakota
E: Too busy loading your guns to have a valid opinion
The list goes on and on.. but we all know if you think differently you are all of the above.
Just replace all of those turn choices A-E into an Asshole and I will agree with that. Listen you and I don't agree on a lot of things but you keep shit in the politics thread. OMK for whatever reason has taken his bad blood with me and has let it carry over in here. Shit I know that people say that arnie666 and russtafa are racist but at least they are funny with there stuff OMK is well his jokes are terrible. BTW you do know how relevant Tim is in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faldur
You're right he doesn't think the way we do: he thinks only of advancing the Republican Party and defending conservative causes and leaders with no regard for intellectual honesty. His mental hamster is struggling mightily to turn that wheel but it's only fed a thin gruel of Fox News talking points and Andrew Breitbart propaganda, how could it not struggle? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Faldur
He exemplifies the modern conservative style of argument. Instead of addressing the claims of an argument a conservative must:
A: Engage in character assassination
B: Obfuscate and change the topic
C: Just make stuff up
you're kidding right?..you think liberals don't do this? You think liberals take the high ground?...Quote:
Originally Posted by BluegrassCat
..all sides do A,B &C.
This. The left/right dichotomy is completely false. The Dems and Reeps are two sides of the same coin, helping to create a world run by the corporatists at the expense of the individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
Microsoft, Google, and Apple are the new Christians, Muslims and Jews.
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wow i am surprised you think outside the boxQuote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Good ol' Noam Chomsky explicates the problem(s) with the overall system. How corporate money has undue power over our [corrupt] democratic, so-called democratic, system....
I mean, the erosion of the middle class means the erosion of democracy. But one shouldn't blame corporate institutions. They're doing what they have to do. Which is, actually, the law. The CEO of a company MUST increase investment return. (This, again, is the actual law.) By fighting for, as it were, lower taxes, free capital movement etc. etc. etc.
Noam Chomsky speaks on the "masters of society", and U.S. financial policies, etc.avi - YouTube
The Reeps are a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporatists. The Dems just give away the store trying to negotiate with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Good to know the socialists have weighed in..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
STEVE MARTIN: Let’s repeat the Non-Conformist Oath. I promise to be different!
AUDIENCE: I promise to be different.
STEVE MARTIN: I promise to be unique.
AUDIENCE: I promise to be unique.
STEVE MARTIN: I promise not to repeat things other people say.
AUDIENCE: I promise … [Dissolves into nervous laughter.]
STEVE MARTIN: Good!
Stop it. You're setting off my sarcasm detector. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by russtafa
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LMFAO...Man ...you just don't get it....do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFil...3/80462491.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
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Originally Posted by Silcc69
You rhetorically ask others why I don't like you? That's classic. Why don't you ask me....I'd be glad to break it down for you ..........again. Minus the rhetoric, of course. Stop feeling so persecuted....I don't like a lot of people, so you're nothing special, but in your case it's not about your race, it's becase you use race , and used it against me. Should I find the post where you eluded to me as a racist? I take that charge with the severity as if somebody dropped the N bomb on you. Get it? I don't play in the race playground as freely as you do, and I don't find it humorous.
And before complaining to other posters how I go political on the General Boards, find a post where I initiated ( * initiate...to start or begin) political back and forth, and wasn't merely responding to someone who had slipped some politics in..find it.... or stop making the charge.... it's dishonest.
Best to take me off your Party Invite list. I don't like you, and don't respect how you conduct your bussiness on here.
And one more thing....stop baiting me and mentioning me in your posts....there's a word for that !
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Originally Posted by onmyknees
:dead:well you are the only one i have seen that does not go ape shit on both sides of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
People are waking up. The war is winnable, given enough time. I have faith that the 99% will eventually prevail as we have in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by russtafa
The Jungle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Originally Posted by Yvonne183
I didn't watch the whole video, only about the first minute and 23 seconds or so into it, and I'd like to acknowledge right away that I'm no economist, political scientist, or authority in any professional field in life.
I have taken 4 courses in economics though. Two were 100 level, basic micro and macro economic courses. One was on developmental economics (e.g., how to grow the economies of developing nations). One was on banking.
What we term "civilizations" will require governments and sophisticated economic systems. In economics innovations can often bring great wealth but also new risks. This is partly what happened in the subprime housing scandal. Republican administration deregulated certain aspects of banking, Wall Street introduced innovations in how they packaged risk (debt) in the housing market, and Democratic administration (Clinton) pushed for easy loans to U.S. citizens with subprime (bad or less than prime credit history) credit.
I supported the Obama administration Kensyian (spelling?) approach to fixing the U.S. economy. Traditionally, it should have worked. However, it does not seem to have worked very well. Thus, new economic theories may emerge. I had a economics professor that believed so.
I'm also not against the Federal Reserve. A Central Bank is often a good thing in any nation. It helps regulate other banks and loan them money. A Central Bank that's not government controlled also provides so checks and balances. Imagine a Central Bank controlled by the Republicans or each new administration?
I'm no political philosopher but it's my opinion that the two party system is a greater harm to the U.S. than the Fed is.
The economy of the U.S. is hurting and likely will never return to what it was when an immediate post-WWII Europe and Japan remained post-industrial cities bombed to hell. It was the glory day of an untouched United States that had a literal monopoly of exporting to the world. We helped rebuild Europe and Japan so we could sell to them and they buy from us.
Today the "developing nations" are rising. Most are no longer under the colonial rule of European nations or the neo-colonial rule of the United States (i.e., Latin America). And multi-national corporations want to be viewed - and function as - global citizens, global corporations, rather than be under the rule or have loyalty to one nation.
We are living in changing times. And the U.S. average standard of living will likely decline.
In some ways it is harder today in the U.S., and in other ways it easier. Our poor live materially easier than our poor did in the first half of the 20th century of the United States. On the other hand, men that never graduated grade school, could work factory jobs in the 1960's that provided them with a large enough wage that their wives did not need to work and they could pay a mortgage, car note, and raise 13 children. Today that is almost impossible. Even those young people with graduate degrees (and massive tuition debt) find it almost impossible to do that.
this was primarily organized by anonymous so the main goal is to troll the media. since there's no identifiable leaders to discredit or arrest every idiot who approaches the camera is now the official spokesman and can lay out their manifesto for whatever reasons they are there. this is actually awesome, because every single different message is broadcast attracting more support. pundits on cable news don't know what to do they rightfully look like complete asses trying to figure out what's going on.
the revolution will not be televised
I believe you, Bella. I just hope it remains relatively peaceful which would be a significant change from our history.:praying:Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
the left or right are not the answer to the problem