All we want as white people is 1 set of rules for EVERYONE!! No special treatment/rules for black people for a change!!! 8)
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All we want as white people is 1 set of rules for EVERYONE!! No special treatment/rules for black people for a change!!! 8)
That's the same one. He's also a regular on O&A. In fact, he's actually my favorite regular guest on that show.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
-Quinn
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Originally Posted by Unisex
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**he says while dodging questions**Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
Popped into the thread to see what was happening and saw all these poor oppressed white men. Oh, the tragedy, the horror of being a white male!! Being born into such priviledge!! My gawd, you poor, poor souls...on so many levels.
What an idiotic statement. When did the majority of white people treat minorities equally in the states?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramer
I'm also really annoyed by the generalized statements about the black community. Last time I checked, all black people didn't listen to rap music. Or use the "N" word. You allow the media to shape your view of the black community or just choose to be ignorant. Last time I checked, there are middle and upper class black citizens, and they deal with more crap than you will ever know. They work hard everyday without complaints. It seems like they should complain more, but then you'll have people like you saying they're using the racism card. Get a clue people. The system is flawed. The fact is that white america created this mess. Now lets move on, and try to make some changes. Is that possible?
so, what you are saying is, there is no such thing as a double standard, right? ok then, when are jackson and sharpton going to PUBLICLY apologize for what happened to the duke lacrosse team? seeing as to how they spearheaded that witchhunt, shouldn't they hold a press conference to address their misgivings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
also, let me ask you the same question that legend dodged from me earlier:
at what age were you put into slavery?
I put in my two cents here before, but they apparently fell behind the seat cushions. amid all the well spoken but misdirected outrage.
Imus was censured, not censored. Censure is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body. Censorship is the removal or withholding of information from the public by a controlling group or body.
Imus is still free to speak as he wishes. He just doesn't get paid a handsome salary to do so over the public airways.
Censorship" is often used as a pejorative term to signify a belief that a group controlling certain information is using this control improperly or for its own benefit, or preventing others from accessing information that should be made readily accessible. What Imus said wasn't information. It was opinion in the form of a joke and a not very well reasoned or funny one at that.
Comparing a radio host to a rapper is a false comparison, like saying an Ipod is the same as an old transistor radio. It completely ignores that you get to pick what you put on an Ipod. Its private, whereas what comes out of a radio is broadcast. You own your Ipod, the public owns the radio frequencies. Imus is free to put out a CD or do a podcast if he thinks there is demand for his schtick. I don't see any gold records in his immediate future though.
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the same as most other americans...Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
Imus was wrong for what he had said but last time I went to my town hall I did see the american flag waving in the air and also I don't believe they changed the constitution in the past few weeks. He should have been fined a few hundred thousand and that should have went to the rutgers basketball team, he should have been suspended for two weeks, and been taking out of syndication in a few markets.
You're right. I doubt some of these people have listened, and the other half are hiding behind their computers. It's amazing how many people want to stereotype us. Or just insult us. Depressing somewhat.Quote:
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Nicely said felicia,like you stated this is no free speech or censorship matter he was fired from a privately owned company for not following their rules,if he said that stuff on his own time and money thats another story.
So I see the "1 set of rules for everyone" idea was flawed, eh? So black people, you want a separate set of rules for yourselves I assume?
Isnt that the double standard many people here have mentioned? :roll:
about the same as you calling people posting in this thread racists just because they have differing views...Quote:
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msnbc is a pay channel...Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Would you stop with your racially charged questions,anyway i seriously doubt anyone will take you serious or even address your questions will you refer to them as "so black people"!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramer
What your doing is making this thread ten times worse it isn't about black or white people but people in general.
A this point this thread has become redundant.Nobody is saying anything new,nobody is willing to confront the real issue or admit to the flaws posed by other posters.direct Q's are being asked and nobody except for a save few are attempting to answer them.....so as always it has decayed into a good old fashioned bar room brawl....Im out.
Man legend you really seem dumb. Now there is something wrong with
" so black people" ????????????????
Geez, are you fukin nuts??? How shall they be addressed then?
Yo, Homes?
No seriously, how should they be addressed? I gotta hear this........ :roll:
How about people who differ from my opinion please reply,oh and being refer to as dumb coming from you is highly laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramer
"We've dealt with it for centuries." <--- see, that's just it. YOU haven't been dealing with it for centuries. YOU can only have dealt with it for as long as you have been alive. and the fact that you have the means and the freedom to post your thoughts in here on the subject means that you are not, nor probably ever were, a slave.Quote:
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On this I think we can agree, Legend. If you recall, Kramer has been attacked by other posters on this forum on more than one occasion for his conduct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
-Quinn
please find where i said i think it is ok to slander minorities. please. i didn't highlight that part for two reasons: #1 the first half of your statement i agree with. #2 the latter half, i did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
everyone has beat to death the imus issue. we all know he is an old white retard who said a stupid thing. that isn't really the issue anymore. hell, i'm even starting to lose track of the true issue.
and trying to say that i am trying to shy away from something because i didn't highlight it? please again. i guess the job that was stolen from me was a "power to the people" moment...
i wouldn't really call it expressing my grief. i really had no grief over it. i was pissed off for about 5 minutes, then went about my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
what, exactly, defines a minority?
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Its a cable channel, but just like broadcast channels that go over the public airways, cable companies use public property and utilities to reach their audience, and are therefore subject to regulation and oversight. The companies that fired him were both publically traded corporation responsible to their shareholders and the bottom line. If there is a huge demand for his show which translates to advertising dollars, he will end up on some other network, or on satellite radio. I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by tubgirl
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Yes he and Colin are friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
Yes folks the race war is ON! Just like I predicted. The last four pages of posts bear me out. And Muhammad, you'll have to agree with me here, it's going to take Al and Jesse to sacrifice a rapper to quell the flames and make them heroes in their own minds.
What say you Muhammad on this issue?
Well Howard, it's kinda funny. I guess whites and blacks yearn for the old days!
I agree with you. he has been saying stuff like this for years, its nothing hateful its just a joke. I think there are bigger issues out there that should concern us, like how many stupid people there are in this country. Lets just take all our rights away, lets just never be able to speak. I don't listen to the guy or like him but this is what he gets paid to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackAdder
The guy is a poster child for hatred,arianna verbally embarrassed him so bad he resorted to threatening to beat the shit out out of her,debating this topic and making a valid points are one thing but when you read his post they just are add up to nothing more then adding fuel to the fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinn
The people who paid him, and who fired him got their money and their motivation from their customers and others who were so upset by what Imus said.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsuo
No one has lost their right to free speech. One shock jock lost his gig to get paid for his speech. Nothing more.
If you are worried about the erosion of your rights, look to the slow drip of things like the Patriot Act, and an Administration and its supporting media that thinks nothing of labelling dissent as treason, and blind bloody obedience as patriotism
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Yes, Don Imus was such a menace to society...You self-righteous SOB's should be so very proud of yourselves... :roll:
Imus, Autism, and America
David Kirby
Imus is gone, but not everyone is cheering. Thousands of parents of autistic children around the country are reeling at the loss of the one true friend they had in the mainstream media. For them, the silencing of Imus could not have come at a worse time.
Of course the messy-headed host said a reprehensible thing, and some form of punishment was not only imperative, but desirable.
Comeuppance, almost always, is a good thing.
Many enemies of racist and sexist trash talk wanted Don Imus gone, and they got their wish. If you are reading this blog, you may count yourself among them (though it's not clear if the Rutgers basketball players who accepted Imus' apology shared in this sentiment).
But consider, for a moment, who is cheering right alongside you. Certainly everyone who thinks the war in Iraq is going swimmingly, and deserves our full support, is happy to see the end of Imus - and that goes for the Vice President on down.
The bureaucrats who let Walter Reed's Building 18 degenerate into a moldy mess of neglect can't be too unhappy, and the last five supporters of Alberto Gonzales left in the country must be ecstatic.
And, of course, if anyone is happy to see Don's downfall, they are also in the fine company of Eli Lilly, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline and other big Pharma firms who loathed Don Imus for suggesting that mercury in vaccines -- maybe and only maybe - might be contributing to the growing crisis of childhood autism in the United States.
Feel better? Politics may make for strange bedfellows, but shock-jocking, apparently, yields allies that are downright bizarre.
Don Imus was one of the very few members of the mainstream media to speak out about autism on anything even resembling a regular basis. And he was the ONLY one brave enough (or stupid enough) to take on Big Pharma, the CDC and virtually the entire US Senate over the issue of mercury, vaccines and neuro-developmental disorders.
But now he is gone, and no one is left to speak up for all these damaged kids, and the frazzled parents who believe that mercury played a key role in their children's illness.
Here are some of the things that Don Imus will NOT be covering in the coming weeks. And don't count on the mainstream media to fill in the blanks:
On April 17, the Senate's health committee will hold hearings on how to spend federal dollars allocated by the Combating Autism Act - a bill that might not have passed without the unrelenting support of Imus and his wife Deirdre.
The hearing was scheduled without any input from autism organizations that support the mercury hypothesis, nor will these groups be allowed to testify. Imus would have gone ballistic over that injustice. But now he is gone, and he can't.
Just two days later, the Institute of Medicine will convene a two-day workshop on devising research protocols into environmental factors of autism, including mercury and vaccines. It is doubtful that the media will give it much thought, let alone coverage. Imus would have covered it intensely. But now he is gone, and he can't.
And of course, in June, the Federal "vaccine court" will hold a three-week hearing on whether mercury in shots and/or the MMR vaccine can cause autism and similar problems in some children.
There is a good chance that the proceedings will not be open to the press or the public. In other words, the vaccine trial of the century - one that could settle one of the most important controversies affecting our next generation -- will not be televised.
Imus would have been all over this story like, he used to say, a dog on a bone. But now he is gone, and he can't.
Of course, I am totally biased. I support research into a possible mercury-autism link. And Don Imus had me on his show three times to discuss it. The first time I appeared, in April, 2005, my book on the subject went from a 5-digit ranking on Amazon to a one-digit ranking, in the time it took me to drive home from MSNBC to Brooklyn.
But this is not about book sales. It is about getting to the bottom of a profound and poignant mystery: Why are so many American kids so damn sick? Sadly, not nearly enough Americans really care about the answer to that question.
Don Imus cares, but now he is gone.
Those three nasty words heard round the world may well end a career that began before the Rutgers Women's Basketball team was even born. Soon, these remarkable women may get married and give birth to kids of their own. If they live in New Jersey and give birth to a son, they can count on a one-in-60 chance that he will develop autism, according to the CDC.
Don Imus would have been the first to invite them on his show to talk about it. But now he is gone.
So, as we mark the demise of a foul-mouthed old man who showed an ugly, racist side to his complex personality, just remember who is also raising a glass.
Maybe mercury is linked to autism, and maybe it is not. But until we find out, go ahead and buy that Lilly stock you've had your eye on. With Imus out of the picture, your investment is safer.
Oh, and happy Autism Awareness Month.
38 pages for such a minor incident---wow!
All I got from this thread is that race is always a hot button issue and racism will NEVER go away. The human race suffers from Chauvinism-- that's the root problem. People feel that the group they are in is superior to all other groups and must put down other groups. Just talk to a sports fan about their team and see if the first thing they say back is about their rival.
No one wants to address their own problems and short comings without attacking others.
Imus got exactly what he deserved. Not because he's a racist. I personally found the fact that he called the girls ho's the offensive part. He got what he deserved because he, like Stephen A. Smith said, had been trusted by his employer with the opportunity to be in front of the mic. He not only represents himself but that employer, his family,HIS CORPORATE SPONSORS, and others. The comparison to rappers and comedians and talk of double standards etc. is misplaced. The man made a stupid comment at work that cost him his job--- end of story.
BTW, thanks to Felicia Katt for being the most spot on during this!!
If you want to draw rap parallels, think back to the Ludacris Pepsi campaign that got cancelled because some white media host used his power to put economic pressure on Pepsi--- perfectly within his rights to do so--- this is more like that!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I like.... Love you.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatsupwithat
When can we say lets move forward and step away from the past. We need to learn from our mistakes and progress as a society not as black or white people. The world will not change quickly but if we continue to point the finger at one another and call each other racists and bigots then we will only stay where we currently stand.
Interesting.. did you actually take the time to READ IT?... or are you still rambling on a platform convinced that your reasoning is THE SALVATION FOR HUMANKIND?? (LOL... I LOVE people like you)Quote:
Youre response was well thought out and for that u are applauded,
My answer to you WAS the "whole ball of wax" that you seem obstinate to take a look at. I gave you detailed, terms, reasonings, and PROOF as to what racism IS and how a person of color is unable to be a racist. I assume from this "whole ball of wax" statement you made... that you have taken nothing I have said into account.Quote:
however you seem to be more concerned with semantics and labels then you are with dealing with the whole ball of wax.
And furthermore... seeing as how you would rather spout off abstract views that are not based on any facts in order to "save face" in some sad egotistical way without actually reading what has been written to you... i'll just stop writing.
This is not a fight for me- because I live this everyday... I realize it's the truth. And, my time is WAY too valuable for me to squander it here in the "HA" discussion forum on those who are selectively deaf and unwilling to be taught something new. Please feel free to continue living your life with your rigid ideas and beliefs... unwilling to see other perspectives. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO LIVE, YOU KNOW! :wink:
~MiSs JuNe~
hey legend you piece of shit, no one verbally embarrassed anyone. That was a long time ago, I cant recall what it was about, nor do I want to.
Now im going over to see the revs to make a blanket apology for speaking the truth. You dikhead! :lol:
nice vocabulary nimrod you can't form any kind of statement without calling someone "a piece of shit" or a wrongfully spelled "dikhead" as it has been said by you many times on here what is that the only kind of language your tiny brain can come up with,can you comprehend that most of the users on here know what your about and it isn't much.From your use of the word fag to your blantant racist it is apparent you breed hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramer
don't think this was posted in the thread so far, found this in the Kansas City newspaper, the writer is Jason Whitlock, for those that don't know, Jason is black.
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Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.
You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.
You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.
Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.
The bigots win again.
While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.
I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.
It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.
Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.
It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.
I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.
But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.
I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.
Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.
Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.
But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.
In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?
I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?
When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.
No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.
http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
this post is the definition of irony...Quote:
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