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I probably wasn't clear when I said day of the week effects. People are not more or less likely to die on certain days of the week but the reporting gets glutted and so certain days tend to have fewer reported deaths while others get allocated the backlog.
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipelin...he-coronavirus
I follow this blog which is written by a scientist who used to work in Pharma. He describes what monoclonal antibodies are and how they're made for those who are interested. Both the Netherlands and Israel have announced that they've developed antibodies that are effective against this virus in vitro. That doesn't mean these treatments will be effective when given to people with the disease or that they will be easy to scale but it is a good first sign.
Here's an article in nature describing the Dutch effort.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y
And since the report in nature is above my level of scientific literacy, here is a news report for other non-scientists.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ntibody-trials<strike>
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
why the f is belgium so high?
A big part of the answer may be that they are making an effort to include all deaths suspected as being caused by the virus, not just the ones that have been tested positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...covid-19-cases
Completely agree and also wouldn't be surprised if the Clueless Buffoon Donald Trump endorses the idea of human challenge studies, even though most doctors believe CO-VID 19 is too dangerous and would be unethical to perform human challenge trials to speed up phase 3 testing for a vaccine, he also was the same one pushing the anti-malaria drug hydroxchloroquine as a treatment for CO-VID 19,which turned out to have dangerous side effects, and suggested that people should inject themselves with disinfectant and uv lights, and he would find any dangerous shortcut that pops into head attractive in order to get the heat off of him for his failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
One factor, possibly the most important, is population density, one of the highest in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
The Netherlands has an even higher population density, and the death rate there is 304 per million compared to 720 per million in Belgium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries It would be one explanator, but does not appear to the decisive factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
"U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday declared it is time to reopen the country's economy, even if it means more people will fall victim to the coronavirus. "The people of our country are warriors," the president told reporters in the state of Arizona. "Will some people be affected badly? Yes. But we have to get our country open."
https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pan...-amid-pandemic
"Chuck Raymond, a financial advisor in St Louis, said: "Without a doubt, he is the most pro-life, pro-family, pro-religious freedom president we've ever had."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51239795
Something here does not make sense. Tell me what pro-life means, if it means anything.
More on how the Covid-19 virus rampages through the body attacking many different organs and systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6489/356
Another example of the Clueless Buffoon Donald Trump putting the economy ahead of the health and safety of the people of the country he's in charge of running,even if it means more people will fall victim to CO-VID 19, because he cares more about economics than science and facts. he's also the same one who rejected test kits from the WHO and called the pandemic a hoax. And agree something here doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
KnightHawk & Stavros...
Don't know where you guys are from... but I am from the good ole USA. The USA has always put the economy ahead of lives, always. By some estimates, 50,000 people die in this country yearly because they don't have health insurance. I think the number is much, much, higher.
People without means DO NOT GO TO THE DOCTOR. They can't. It will bankrupt them. So a 40 year-old with a blood pressure of 150/100 never sees the doc, Kills over at 52 of a massive heart attack. Is he counted as dying because he didn't have health insurance? Probably not. And he could have lived to 80 with cheap generic drugs.
Of course we are opening too soon. Will probably kill an extra 100,000 people. But most of them will be poor without health insurance and showing up at the hospital way too late. So they will die.
But the economy will pick back up... maybe.
This report says the the Trump administration buried CDC guidelines that were supposed to be issued on safe reopening of the economy. https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2ead4bd323a4d4
These charts show why it's clearly premature to be declaring victory.
Attachment 1247810
Then some cynic will come along and point out that hundreds of thousands die every year from gunshot wounds, car accidents, the 'flu- Obesity, 'lifestyle' choices such as addictions and alcohol can kill even if these can be controlled and dealt with by the person- which of all these could have been avoided? Other than suicide and murder the point might be, which of these fatal incidents was intentional? The extra dimension with Covid 19 is that the source of the illness might lie in man's ambition, to make money from unusual forms of meat, to invade a wilderness in which rare animals -and unknown pathogens- live, where they should probably be left alone. How many pathogens lurk in the forests of Canada that have never felt a foot fall, what tiny winged creatures exist who for the first time in their short lives experience the taste of human blood and want more?Quote:
Originally Posted by steviedresses
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/s...98158395150337Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
I think we now know that we don't know the full truth of what our politicians were told in January and February, and that in the UK, probably in the US there will be a battle over the truth and the attempt to cover it up when it doesn't look good for those in power. That said, we may be lucky in the UK that we don't have a Modi who is using the 'lockdown' -in so many respects what Modi imposed on Kashmir last year- to extend the Nationalist campaign against India's Muslims. The Chinese had already been engaged in a campaign to change the social structure of Xinjiang, and one dreads to think of what could be happening in places like Egypt or Iraq, or African countries which have a system of some kind but lack the resources to deal with a pandemic of this nature. It would be tragic if the WHO, which plays such an important role in poor countries were to be starved of the funds it needs to combat this pandemic -or is it the case that those who think there are too many people in the world, think this is one way man has of 'thinning out his kind?'Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Never liked the original, but the cover version packs a punch!Quote:
Originally Posted by Laphroaig
Not surprised at all that the Trump Administration buried the CDC Guidelines that was supposed to be issue on how to reopen the economy safely. This latest move shows how far they're willing to go to bury science and facts that doesn't sound good to them,and pretend that everything is fine even though it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
https://www.gq.com/story/kushner-too-much-testing
Excerpt:
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At one of Donald Trump's press conferences this week, he appeared with a banner behind him proclaiming in all caps that "AMERICA LEADS THE WORLD IN TESTING." It was an obvious lie—the U.S. lags far behind other countries that have managed to get their coronavirus outbreaks under control, like Denmark, Germany, and New Zealand.
But despite swaths of the country shutting down for two months, the U.S. is still basically where it was when the pandemic started in terms of testing, and experts say that there's no realistic way to return to normal without doubling or tripling the number of tests administered every day. That's nowhere near as optimistic as White House adviser Jared Kushner was when he told Fox News that the administration's response was "a great success story" and the country will "be back to normal" and "really rocking again" by July.
Kushner, it turns out, is reportedly one of the people directly responsible for the country's extreme delays in rolling out tests when the outbreak started. That's according to the Financial Times, which recently published a deep-dive into the Trump administration's chaotic and denial-plagued coronavirus response. One of Donald Trump's confidants, who's regularly in touch with the president, put the blame squarely on Kushner, saying, "Jared had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it. That advice worked far more powerfully on [Trump] than what the scientists were saying. He thinks they always exaggerate."
Mission accomplished
Gotta wonder if he's telling the truth about this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/19/polit...rus/index.html
I read at least one article that Kushner was responsible for the Swine Flu Obama comparison. The reason it's important is that it's difficult to have a thought that stupid. Kushner appears to have them regularly and has confidence in his terrible instincts as well as a history of ignoring experts. Even when he bought that vanity newspaper he wouldn't take the advice of veteran journalists and fired some of them. He thought it was a good idea to purchase a vanity building on 5th avenue for twice what it's worth and was probably surprised that a fancy building can fail to generate enough income to service debt if you overpay for it by double. The public is now aware of his legendary incompetence, but it's a shame we don't get to hear him grilled on some of his stupid decisions because he's the soft-spoken guy behind the scenes. I'd love to see him do a media tour with really well prepared interviewers. It's an absolute shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
Don't forget his justification for his 'Deal of the Century' for Israel and the Palestinians- “I’ve been studying this now for three years,” Kuchner said. “I’ve read 25 books on it, I’ve spoken to every leader in the region, I’ve spoken to everyone who’s been involved in this.”Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
https://www.middleeasteye.net/discov...lestine-israel
Wow, 25 books! I think I might have read 250 and more over the years, I have at a glance around 60 on the bookshelf behind me. Maybe he needs to read 25 books on epidemics, pandemics, and hysterics -or 250. But will he learn from them?
Or he could just shut up, and go away.
Trump is an ass. oddly enough this may be enough to lose him the election. not even his followers can say he's done good this time.
Unfortunately, that's not true. They think he's great by definition. They'll blame Obama, the CDC, the WHO, Democrats, and the Deep State.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
https://twitter.com/GHS/status/1263942460901863424?s=20
Why does President Jair hate trans so much? he must have dated some ts woman when he was young, and didn't want to get outed. or a ts woman fucked him in his arse and he didn't douche properly and she left the room and he got pissed off ever since.
Bolsonaro like many privileged Brazilians sneers at the poor living on the margins as losers. They also dump them in another category of criminals, drug addicts, and thieves not only living immoral lives but being responsible for the moral corruption of Brazil, aided and abetted by the 'progressive left' who don't believe in God -that the very same people are the result of Brazil's failures does not count; that many if not most Brazilian transgendered people of all social types are more rather than less likely to be devout Catholics, does not count. As in the US, this is resentment politics, with one savage difference -the murder rate of transgendered people in Brazil is even higher than it is in the USA=
"331 trans and gender diverse people have been killed this year, says a new report.
The majority of the murders catalogued happened in Brazil, totalling 130. However, Mexico had 63, and the United States saw 30.
Only one was counted in the United Kingdom this year. Across Europe, nine trans people were killed, according to the report."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewa.../#228c4ff52d48
See also
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...erica-country/
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/h...192203735.html
I would love to get Grooby Steven's, Christian's, or any other content producers take on this.
China tried pop control with their failed one child policy whics was very draconian. The result is 35 MILLION More men than women in there. India's moronic social caste system and "value" of baby boys over baby girls has led to the same result 35 Million more men than women there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanferryfan2
More on China later. They started this, covered it up and then lied and then the WHO swore to their lie.
Andrew Cuomo is no hero. He's to blame for New York's coronavirus catastrophe:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...us-catastrophe
But what better way to ensure population control? Reduce the number of child bearers and you reduce the number of children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
Quite true. There were 3,711 total on board. 712 were positive. that's a 19% infection rate in very confined spaces. Of the 712 about 50% were asymptomatic. that means half who actually get it would never know. Of the 712, 14 have dies. That's a 1.9% fatality rate. Not too good, but the average on that ship was way over 60 (probably mid 70s, who goes on a cruise ship in the central pacific in Jan?), the HK person on the ship who probably started it was 80.Quote:
Originally Posted by NormallyNorm
The infection rate is similar to the Global Princess which was 17% (78 out of 469 tested) but there were far more than 469 on that ship.
There are studies that show the true fatality rate to be less than 0.5%, but it is probably even lower than that. If one takes an 18% infection rate and applies to the US population, so 18% of 330 million leaves some 60 million probable infections. We're looking at some 150,000 deaths here or 0.25% fatality rate.
Most of the folks who were going to get this have gotten it. Some 62% of the recent new cases in NYC were those who "stayed home", according to the governor. This means they already had it and it was slow acting or someone visited them or they were lying.
That's not to trivialize this, because this went all the way around the world thanks to china.
Aren't they kaput now? One of the oldest continually operating scheduled carriers, gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikka
He did. He cut off travel from china when nobody else did and was called a racist xenophobe for doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Unfortunately because of china's complicity, lying, etc. It had already been spreading around the globe for some three or more months.
Think! Fl and NY have very close overall population densities, but NY has more than 7x the number of cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
FL has almost twice the population density of PA but PA has 1.5x then number of cases. 3x overall factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Chine flat out lied and the witless WHO backed up their lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota87
This needs to be brought to the forefront.Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
Was back, as far back as OCTOBER, China was already blocking off roads outside of that town. They completely sealed off Wuhan from all ground travel out AND halted ALL DOMESTIC air travel out of Wuhan to other parts of china.
But they continued to allow INTERNATIONAL air travel out, at least until Pres Trump stopped it here to the US, but by that time tens or hundreds of thousands had traveled from Wuhan to the US and even more to other countries. There were three flights per week to NYC from Wuhan. More to several other major USA cities and even more to other countries like Italy which is a popular chinese tourist destination right at that time, Iran who sells A LOT of oil to china (those poor fools made it even worse for themselves), and other European destinations.
Do some math.
That was the seed for global spread.
And as african2 notes the witless WHO LIED when they said there is no human to human contagion way until the end of January"
China deliberately allowed this to spread to the rest of the world while they took severe active steps to prevent it from spreading within their own country. And they actively tried to corner the global market for PPE at the same time.
That's the bottom line.
New York City is unique in the US, really in the world. It is one of the most densely populated places in the world, with only Tokyo possibly surpassing it. The greater NY metro area is also unique in that a very large percentage of the population uses public transportation or similar means of getting around within the area and to / from work in the outer areas. I lived some 65 miles north of the city and took trains in every day and I wasn't on the last stop. You take a 70 mile radius circle centered on NYC and you will snag well over 10 Million people. That's like the entire state of Ohio, all exposed to the dense NYC and public transportation.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
And this put NYC right smack in the cross-hairs of the virus bullseye.
"Travel data of passengers arriving in the United States from China during the critical period in December, January and February, when the disease took hold in that country, shows a stunning 759,493 people entered the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
"This is an astonishing number in a short period of time, illustrating how globalized our world has become. Just as people can hop continents with amazing ease, the infections they carry can too," said Dr. Vinayak Kumar, an internal medicine resident at the Mayo Clinic and a contributor to the ABC News Medical Unit."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disa...ry?id=69933625
"Nearly 40,000 Americans and authorized travelers have come into the U.S. from China since President Trump imposed travel restrictions more than two months ago, the New York Times reports."
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-tr...deb1ce0b3.html
a) Your President failed to impose a natiowide halt to traffic in and out of the US in January, as GW Bush did on 9/11, Reason? He is a coward and doesn't care about the lives of Americans, whom he has dismissed as 'Human Scum'. His attitude was broadcast for all to hear on the 13th January: "I take no responsibility at all".
b) The Lab in Wuhan does research coronoviruses on Bats (so do labs in other countries), but research has shown the strain of Covid 19 is not related to the strains being tested in Wuhan-
"Wuhan lab had three live bat coronaviruses: Chinese state media. The Chinese virology institute in Wuhan, the city where Covid-19 first emerged, has three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site, but none match the new contagion wreaking chaos across the world, its director has said, AFP reports. The director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology told state broadcaster CGTN that claims made by US President Donald Trump and others the virus could have leaked from the facility were “pure fabrication”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-in-us-summer (at 05.45am)
-Problem is that when your President makes lying a constant fixture of his public statements, it is hard to know when he is telling the truth and when he is lying. He has embarked on an anti-China campaign to cover up the details of his own incompetence. In the US it is his virus, he owns it, and has only proven so far that he is an incompetent manager of public administration, with the net closing in on 100,000 fatalities while 1,621,669 infections in the US were recorded by 22nd May 2020.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...de-by-country/
Focus your concern on the US, because right now that is where your problem is.