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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

It is a shame that your knowledge of History does not match your knowledge of rhetoric.

It is not a definitive source, but for the purposes of this forum it will do (I'm tired and have to be up at at 5 a.m., so no in deepth research (from the Wikipedia article):

Nazi Attitudes towards Christianity

In a confidential message to the Gauleiter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia on June 9, 1941, Martin Bormann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, had declared that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable." He also declared that the Churches influence in the leadership of the people "must absolutely and finally be broken." Bormann believed Nazism was based on a "scientific" world-view, and was completely incompatible with Christianity.

Bormann stated:
When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.


Other than being a contrarian, I doubt if you really believe Islam is superior to Christianity. I will cheerfully admit that the world has more than its fair share of F’d up Christians, but by almost any measure Islam is a religion stuck in the dark ages. Try exposing your contrarian opinions as a woman in Muslim country and see want happens (a beating or worse). I realize that perhaps because of your TS status you may feel marginalized from mainstream culture, but as bad as western civilization is Islam (particularly the Wahabi sect) is much worse. It makes no real sense just because you dislike me or my arguments, to willfully delude yourself as to the merits of Islam.

Granted I do not know you personally, but a good 50% of the time you make reasonable sense, but the other 50% of the time you veer out of your own lane and plunge headlong into oncoming traffic. You seem to see everything through a racial prism.

I know you believe I am a racist for criticizing other cultures, but nothing could be further from the truth. I am more than willing to criticize other cultures (but that springs from a general belief that western culture is superior). I don’t care what race a man is, but I do care how he acts. Hence in my criticism of Obama, I think him a knave because of his actions not because of his skin color. If it makes you feel any better I have a lower opinion of Clinton than Obama.

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I'm grateful that you've opened up to some extent on your beliefs, genuinely.

Two questions if I may:

1) When you state that you have a "general belief that western culture is superior", what objective criteria, historical or other, are you employing;

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2) While you've shared your relative views on the last two Democratic presidents, what are your opinions of the Bushes, Dubya and his father, Reagan, and going further back, Nixon?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

It is a shame that your knowledge of History does not match your knowledge of rhetoric.

Other than being a contrarian, I doubt if you really believe Islam is superior to Christianity. I will cheerfully admit that the world has more than its fair share of F’d up Christians, but by almost any measure Islam is a religion stuck in the dark ages.

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Right now we should be more concerned with the fate of CeCe who is in solitary confinement on a charge that could see her locked up for most of the rest of her life; hi-jacking the thread to make ill-informed comments about other issues seems to me to detract from the gravity of her case.

:iagree::iagree:

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Right now we should be more concerned with the fate of CeCe who is in solitary confinement on a charge that could see her locked up for most of the rest of her life; hi-jacking the thread to make ill-informed comments about other issues seems to me to detract from the gravity of her case.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

It is a shame that your knowledge of History does not match your knowledge of rhetoric.

It is not a definitive source, but for the purposes of this forum it will do (I'm tired and have to be up at at 5 a.m., so no in deepth research (from the Wikipedia article):

Nazi Attitudes towards Christianity

In a confidential message to the Gauleiter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia on June 9, 1941, Martin Bormann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, had declared that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable." He also declared that the Churches influence in the leadership of the people "must absolutely and finally be broken." Bormann believed Nazism was based on a "scientific" world-view, and was completely incompatible with Christianity.

Bormann stated:
When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.


Other than being a contrarian, I doubt if you really believe Islam is superior to Christianity. I will cheerfully admit that the world has more than its fair share of F’d up Christians, but by almost any measure Islam is a religion stuck in the dark ages. Try exposing your contrarian opinions as a woman in Muslim country and see want happens (a beating or worse). I realize that perhaps because of your TS status you may feel marginalized from mainstream culture, but as bad as western civilization is Islam (particularly the Wahabi sect) is much worse. It makes no real sense just because you dislike me or my arguments, to willfully delude yourself as to the merits of Islam.

Granted I do not know you personally, but a good 50% of the time you make reasonable sense, but the other 50% of the time you veer out of your own lane and plunge headlong into oncoming traffic. You seem to see everything through a racial prism.

I know you believe I am a racist for criticizing other cultures, but nothing could be further from the truth. I am more than willing to criticize other cultures (but that springs from a general belief that western culture is superior). I don’t care what race a man is, but I do care how he acts. Hence in my criticism of Obama, I think him a knave because of his actions not because of his skin color. If it makes you feel any better I have a lower opinion of Clinton than Obama.

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You are partially right about the Nazis and Christianity - and that's really just it with you: you take some facts and extrapolate to meet your own bigoted ideas.

While the high-level Nazis (Hitler, Bormann, Himmler, et al) were indeed more influenced by German mysticism the rank and file WERE Christians. And the senior Nazis from aristocratic backgrounds definitely did not ALL buy into that mysticism and DID identify as Christians. Ergo the majority of the atrocities perpetrated by Germans during the war were perpetrated by people who clearly identified themselves as Christians. Unless of course you're one of those apologists who believe the good German people were just all used by Hitler and a handful of degenerates?

Keep reading and learning and hopefully one day you will be more than just a guy bigot on the internet who learns history via Wikipedia.

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Originally Posted by trish

Do you hope to improve our general morality...?

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Yes, now you are catching on. Is it working?


In all seriousness my posts are in response to the "all cultures are equal" meme currently in vogue. Granted my limited efforts are no doubt wasted on particular venue (so it is more likely an exercise in killing time).

I do think it is valuable to get people to think outside of the Liberal echo chamber. For example the Treyvon thread which sort of encouraged my recent posts is a prime example of starting out with a generally untrue premise (that a black 17 year old was shot for being black in white suburbia). The liberal media (such as NBC news who doctored the 911 recording to suit the narrative) added 1 + 1 and got five (because we know that only white people live in gated communities and that if a black person got shot it must be racism).

There was a very good Reuters story from a few days ago that really dug into the background on the incident and the neighborhood):

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-spray-big-boi

Come to find out it was a mixed neighborhood and that Zimmerman has African ancestry himself. These are things that the news organizations should have looked into weeks ago, but they don't want any "facts" to confuse the narrative.

I don't know if Treyvon or Zimmerman were good or bad people, and I won't reargue the facts again. Because my point is whatever the ultimate outcome of the case, we know that the original bent of the story (black kid shot for being in white suburbia) is false. My general recollection is that the gated community is roughly 20% black and 40% Hispanic and 40% white. This is a far cry from an all white neighborhood and then someone coming outside in Klan robes and shooting the kid. I think it is important especially in view of Sharpton et al’s track record, that these type of matter be examined closely.

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For example the Treyvon thread which sort of encouraged my recent posts is a prime example of starting out with a generally untrue premise...

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That's your premise, at least the one imaginary premise you choose to attack. The premise with which liberals are operating is that Treyvon was stalked by a vigilante for exhibiting intangible "suspicious" behavior, was shot and killed by the vigilante and the vigilante was inexplicably let go without so much as an arrest, a hearing or confiscation of his weapon; until the general public expressed their outrage.

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(because we know that only white people live in gated communities and that if a black person got shot it must be racism)

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(posted with sarcasm). Yes and we also know Muslims are morally inferior and if a women anywhere suffered a clitoridectomy it's because Islam demands it.

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I don't know if Treyvon or Zimmerman were good or bad people...

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Neither do I, but I do know that justice was not going be carried out in that case until the media and the general public got involved.

The morally inferior/superior dichotomy of cultures is just a diversion and so far an ill-formed concept

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Originally Posted by trish

That's your premise, at least the one imaginary premise you choose to attack.

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While the premise was imaginary, it is what was being put forth on this forum and in the Liberal press.

Go back and look at the original title of the thread in question:

"17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia."

A similar meme to to when all those Duke lacrosse players "raped" the black stripper.

Wrong again. Go back and read. The premise with which liberals are operating is that Treyvon was stalked by a vigilante for exhibiting intangible "suspicious" behavior, was shot and killed by the vigilante and the vigilante was inexplicably let go without so much as an arrest, a hearing or confiscation of his weapon; until the general public expressed their outrage.

The OP title (of the other thread) was a little off...but so is the title of this thread...
if people want to get technical.
(the other threads title was wrong depending how you read it...and this one is definitely wrong )

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

In all seriousness my posts are in response to the "all cultures are equal" meme currently in vogue.

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'All cultures are equal' is meaningless; the 'problem' you really want to pursue is is the basis of the social and economic policies in a 'multi-cultural' society that appear to some people to produce biased outcomes which favour 'minorities'. Central and local government agencies producing leaflets in 25 different languages, offering translation services for 'minorities' with their housing queries. You don't spend long with this stuff before someone says that Muslim immigrants get more privileges that 'indigenous British white people' and so on; and I don't doubt this happens in the USA where you are not allowed to offend the Apaches. But if 'all cultures are NOT equal' in the USA of all places, you would surely be denying identifiable groups in the USA their constitutional right to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness...?

CeCe in her cell is, I would suggest, not at this time focused on the [Multi-]cultural meaning of her imprisonment. Perhaps you could stay within the confines of the thread.