No stay of execution for Crips Founder Tookie Williams.

Seanchai, I know you dont like Legend, but what did he say that was actually racist? I dont see it in all fairness. :)

That doesnt make me a fucking racist, i just hate murderers and their sympathizers like you. i can care less what color murderers are all should come to justice. Stop being a sympathizer and grow some balls man.

I say fry the bastard. There is no doupt that this guy has commited horrendous crimes. I hate the arguement people use "well, that does not bring the victims back". The whole point of it is this guy should be punished.....and it is more than apparant that he wants to live...as I am sure his victims did. Why not take from him what he took from his victims....

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You fucking dipshit.
Go read a book - or even rent a movie - or listen to the song...Rubin Carter was arrested and prosecuted without evidence, which was eventually overturned when he was found to be innocent of the crimes. Under your law - and your so-called religions law, you would have had executed an innocent man?
ARSEHOLE!!
Retraction and apology for being a dumb, racist fuck?
seanchai

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Rubin Carter has NEVER been declared innocent or otherwise exonerated by the courts. Carter was set free because of two alleged procedural errors, NOT because of new evidence.

I suggest you do more research other than what the movies tell you....

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Originally Posted by seanchai

You fucking dipshit.
Go read a book - or even rent a movie - or listen to the song...Rubin Carter was arrested and prosecuted without evidence, which was eventually overturned when he was found to be innocent of the crimes. Under your law - and your so-called religions law, you would have had executed an innocent man?
ARSEHOLE!!
Retraction and apology for being a dumb, racist fuck?
seanchai

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Rubin Carter has NEVER been declared innocent or otherwise exonerated by the courts. Carter was set free because of two alleged procedural errors, NOT because of new evidence.

I suggest you do more research other than what the movies tell you....

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Jamans
Thank you for bringing me back to reality and stopping my ire take direction. I'd read the books and of course seen the movie as well as reading about the massive errors and ommissions in the movie. What I had not done though was seek out alternative texts, something which I'm now doing on line and finding very interesting and illuminating.

I'd like to whole heartedly apologise to Legend - who despite being close to one of the most ignorant, least educated and most closed-minded persons I've came across - didn't deserve a lambast from someone who hadn't double checked his own facts, mis-conceptions and what I what I used to teach....the media lies.

Apologies to anyone else I may have inadvertendly offended who didn't speak up.
seanchai

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I know his fucking case was well documented as you say and i know how it begins and end so dont recommend anything to me, and isnt killing 2 or more people consider a mass murder anyway i could care less. Ha i cant be leave you called be a racist becuase i dislike murderers shows your true motive.

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Its apparent you haven't read any of that documentation. If you can't be bothered to read a book, at least watch the movie. If thats too much for you, read a movie review. or go here
http://web.archive.org/web/199911272...lon/story.html
or
http://www.biography.com/search/arti...542248&search=

These are fairly short but comprehensive articles about the trial and the long appeals process. Ulitimately, the only eyewitnesses recanted their testimony, admitting they got favorable treatment for their own crimes, and cash, for testifying against Carter.

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Carter was set free because of two alleged procedural errors, NOT because of new evidence

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I did the research. The "alleged procdedural errors" so glibly discounted were the the failure of the prosecution to disclose the witnesses were bought and paid for, as well as a tape recording where one of the purported eyewitnesses told the police he was not even sure Carter was at the scene of the crime. They also managed to exclude every black juror from panel that ultimately decided on his guilt.

In the second appeal, the "alleged procedural errors" were characterized by a Federal court as follows:

The extensive record clearly demonstrates that the petitioners' convictions were predicated upon an appeal to racism rather than reason, and concealment rather than disclosure . . . . To permit convictions to stand which have as their foundation appeals to racial prejudice and the withholding of evidence critical to the defense is to commit a violation of the Constitution as heinous as the crimes for which these petitioners were tried and convicted

The Court found Carter's conviction was the result of racism. Continuing to cast him as guilty when the facts are to the contrary is just as suspect of that characterization.

FK

Kinda like Cliff Notes.

No idea on this.

Just to say it is now making news on this side of the Atlantic, about 5th or 6th story of the day.

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No idea on this.

Just to say it is now making news on this side of the Atlantic, about 5th or 6th story of the day.

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He wont be making news on tuesday if you know what i mean.

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Originally Posted by Legend

I know his fucking case was well documented as you say and i know how it begins and end so dont recommend anything to me, and isnt killing 2 or more people consider a mass murder anyway i could care less. Ha i cant be leave you called be a racist becuase i dislike murderers shows your true motive.

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Its apparent you haven't read any of that documentation. If you can't be bothered to read a book, at least watch the movie. If thats too much for you, read a movie review. or go here
http://web.archive.org/web/199911272...lon/story.html
or
http://www.biography.com/search/arti...542248&search=

These are fairly short but comprehensive articles about the trial and the long appeals process. Ulitimately, the only eyewitnesses recanted their testimony, admitting they got favorable treatment for their own crimes, and cash, for testifying against Carter.

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Originally Posted by jamans

Carter was set free because of two alleged procedural errors, NOT because of new evidence

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I did the research. The "alleged procdedural errors" so glibly discounted were the the failure of the prosecution to disclose the witnesses were bought and paid for, as well as a tape recording where one of the purported eyewitnesses told the police he was not even sure Carter was at the scene of the crime. They also managed to exclude every black juror from panel that ultimately decided on his guilt.

In the second appeal, the "alleged procedural errors" were characterized by a Federal court as follows:

The extensive record clearly demonstrates that the petitioners' convictions were predicated upon an appeal to racism rather than reason, and concealment rather than disclosure . . . . To permit convictions to stand which have as their foundation appeals to racial prejudice and the withholding of evidence critical to the defense is to commit a violation of the Constitution as heinous as the crimes for which these petitioners were tried and convicted

The Court found Carter's conviction was the result of racism. Continuing to cast him as guilty when the facts are to the contrary is just as suspect of that characterization.

FK

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I admit , i was wrong about carter and shouldnt have mention him because of his innocents in the end and the whole thing of his case being built of racism is fucking wrong.