Production and promotion standards in the TS niche

I'm fond of saying "when you have found that you have dug yourself into a hole, the solution is rarely 'more digging' ".

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Originally Posted by slinky

I'm fond of saying "when you have found that you have dug yourself into a hole, the solution is rarely 'more digging' ".

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I hope you're not referring to me. Seanchai already told be he won't shoot me again so I'm hardly digging. If anything, he's digging since he's fighting someone who has nothing left to lose in regards to him. I've already suffered the consequences so why would he continue to argue with me unless I had a point or two that he cared to refute? Well, at least he takes me seriously. I'll respect him for that.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

At this time? You just told me you'll never shoot me again. Revisionist history, much?

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Prior to this shoot but based on your comments below, you'd certainly go into the "never work with again" pile. It's nothing political, your just a little shit.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Yes, you have some hot talent, but you also have your share of monsters. You'd be outright lying if you said that wasn't true.

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What a horrible thing to say. We don't have any "monsters" on our site. We have some models in various states of transition, and some not as attractive as others but in over 12 yrs running this site, I'll give many girls a first shot and see how they do. Some of the ones YOU might call monsters turned out to be beautiful tgirls and if with discouragement and nasty comments from your ilk, they might never have had that opportunity.

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Originally Posted by bellabellucci

... if the label fits. Obviously it does if it's being used to describe you 'again.' We can't all be wrong.

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I never said it was wrong. I said it was dull and shows how little you know, and how far your reaching to starting bringing up what other people might think of me. I didn't have to comment on what I've heard about you and your social skills.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Yes I may have insulted those that are not worthy models (also not by name) but it's yet another criticism that has been leveled against Yum repeatedly by plenty of viewers. I didn't just make it up. Also, my wanting to make the industry better is about protecting the industry as whole, not necessarily all of the girls within it.

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Huh !?!?!
a) who the fuck appointed you the chief witch hunter? So now you have the say on which models are "worthy". You insidiuous, nasty little shit.
b) "another criticism of Yum" hmmm ... yeah, it's such a failure of a website. The fact it, like it or not, the site and it's ethos works. It doesn't need to be validated by you.
c) YOU are not protecting the industry Bella. Your just putting across your personal opinions and trying to enforce them.

Talk about egomaniac. Your out of control.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

The fact is that some girls have no business in front of a camera and you guys shoot them anyway. Saying so doesn't make me a hypocrite; it makes me honest. As far as I, and indeed many others are concerned, there are men in dresses on your site that make the entire niche look cheap and desperate. I never claimed to be an activist for transvestites and I never will be and you won't get any apologies from me over it. Shame on me? Shame on you for putting these 'girls' on the same site with real transsexuals and implying that it's all the same. It's not.

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It does make you a hypocrite because until many of those models have done a shoot, we don't know how they willbe received. In your Nazi standards, we'd only shoot girls that you deem worthy. Why is anyone whose not a member concerned about "my site" and how does it make the niche look cheap, have you seriously seen what's out there making sites look cheap. Many girls who started off as part-time dressers on our site were given the encouragement to take the leap to full time but of course you don't give a shit about them because they again, don't fit your standard.
"Shemales" doesn't just mean "transsexuals" - CD and TV can fit in there, if appropriate.

Wow, I can't believe just how nasty one individual can turn and show her true colours so fast. I've also never heard a tgirl turn on so many other girls like you have. Your a disgrace to transsexuals who work in this industry.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Well, at least he takes me seriously. I'll respect him for that.

~BB~

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Trust me, the last thing I want is your respect, as for you, after your previous statement, I have none.
I do take you seriously and my comment above that I think your an absolute disgrace to transsexuals in this industry, an insidious little shit and that no self-respecting transgender model would want you as an "activist" :roll: or an associate.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. 'Shemale.' Blah, blah, blah.

So even as you attempt to defend everyone within the so-called transgender umbrella you continue to use the slur 'shemale.' It's barely acceptable as an industry term and wholly unnecessary here, but you just go ahead and use it anyway, don't you? So as you portend to be the savior of all things trans, you slur the very people you claim to protect. Nice!

Plus you're resorting to word-warping now which is something people do when they're backed up against a wall by truth and logic. I didn't intend to pick a personal fight with you so I'm done. Thanks for providing me with the productive discussion that I was seeking. :roll:

I'm done.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I'm done.

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Yes you are.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Blah, blah, blah, blah. 'Shemale.' Blah, blah, blah.

So even as you attempt to defend everyone within the so-called transgender umbrella you continue to use the slur 'shemale.' It's barely acceptable as an industry term and wholly unnecessary here, but you just go ahead and use it anyway, don't you? So as you portend to be the savior of all things trans, you slur the very people you claim to protect. Nice!

Plus you're resorting to word-warping now which is something people do when they're backed up against a wall by truth and logic. I didn't intend to pick a personal fight with you so I'm done. Thanks for providing me with the productive discussion that I was seeking. :roll:

I'm done.

~BB~

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I don't get it. You'll shoot under the banner of Shemale* and then regard it as a slur after you don't receive a photoshoot that you like? If you were so against it in the first place why wouldn't you save your photoshoots for another company without the said slur in the name?

You seem to have a case of sour grapes. Deal.

Bella,
Don't you think it's at least a tiny little bit hypocritical to first complain that a site isn't making the girls look the best they possibly can and then turn around and call some of the models monsters?

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Originally Posted by tslvrnyc

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Blah, blah, blah, blah. 'Shemale.' Blah, blah, blah.

So even as you attempt to defend everyone within the so-called transgender umbrella you continue to use the slur 'shemale.' It's barely acceptable as an industry term and wholly unnecessary here, but you just go ahead and use it anyway, don't you? So as you portend to be the savior of all things trans, you slur the very people you claim to protect. Nice!

Plus you're resorting to word-warping now which is something people do when they're backed up against a wall by truth and logic. I didn't intend to pick a personal fight with you so I'm done. Thanks for providing me with the productive discussion that I was seeking. :roll:

I'm done.

~BB~

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I don't get it. You'll shoot under the banner of Shemale* and then regard it as a slur after you don't receive a photoshoot that you like? If you were so against it in the first place why wouldn't you save your photoshoots for another company without the said slur in the name?

You seem to have a case of sour grapes. Deal.

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Here we go again with this. DO I really have to explain it again? I don't NAME the sites. I can only try to help change the way the business operates incrementally and I certainly can't do so unless I get involved in it, now can I? Geez.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by slinky

Bella,
Don't you think it's at least a tiny little bit hypocritical to first complain that a site isn't making the girls look the best they possibly can and then turn around and call some of the models monsters?

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No, not at all. In fact it's exactly what I'm talking about. Some girls have no business modeling on a site that primarily focuses on transsexuals as they are clearly transvestites, and some could just use a little bit of help, which they would likely appreciate, but don't receive. The models are left entirely to their own devices which only highlights their hair and makeup skills, not their inner beauty. I don't think that's right and it's certainly not good for business in my estimation. Would it really break the bank to provide them with a makeup artist and a little direction? I mean look at Tempest and other independent producers - they put their heart and soul into their work at a loss. Now I'm hardly advocating that the major studios should follow suit, but girls shouldn't have to do everything themselves especially when they have to pick up makeup and wardrobe costs as well.

I appreciate that Yum gives new models a chance to shoot, but they don't really give them a chance to succeed. Transsexual models don't just grow on trees you know and the niche is dependent upon the assumption that every TS defines their femininity solely by an oversexualized appearance even before they begin their careers and if they don't, well, the hell with them. Let 'em fail! I mean, a lot of GG porn stars are just regular girls next door when they start and are then developed as talent. There's very little development of TS models IMHO.

And yes, everything I've written here is JUST my opinion - which is something I've made clear from the beginning. If anybody takes personal offense it says much more about then than it does me.

~BB~