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Granted Sarah...and I think that's been addressed earlier in the thread. What I think is being said is that if you need brain surgery all of a sudden tomorrow, you know that you've been paying into a social system that will cover you whether you have $1,000,000 or $1
Someone wouldn't be paying a dollar under a plan that takes income into consideration... unusually people below a randomly selected income do not pay anything, and those above it pay off of a sliding scale.
So the only people who really see a personal advantage are either;
-those who end up needing a lot of medical coverage
-those who are poor
Those who would be paying more than they get back would be;
-those who make more than a certain amount
-those who live their lives without running into expensive medical treatments
So you can't really argue in support of gov health care by saying "everyone will financially benefit" because that simply is not true (and is probably why the US has waited so long to implement gov health care for if we are the wealthiest country in the world, then that large population of wealthy middle class & upper class aren't going to be wanting into pay into something they see as a personal financial disadvantage).
One other thing I just thought of in writing this; the US also has populations of people who do not even believe in medical care. There are christian fundamentalists in this country that think using doctors & medicine is "a sin" (i.e. some christian scientists, the amish, etc). Under the proposed system they will be fined if they do not buy health insurance... but if they do buy health insurance they won't be using it because they believe that's a sin. We had an epidemic a few years ago in our amish communities where their children started getting polio (which has been virtually extinct everywhere else in our country for decades) because they were open to getting it because they refused to get vaccinations.
Sarah I think we're on the same page..and we believe in socialized health care...but it's unfortunate that money and religion has to stand in the way of it. I know if I was making a lot more money I wouldn't have a problem paying more taxes. But that's me I guess.
As for those Christian fundies...well everyone knows how much I lovvvve religion.
If the Obomination of health care does happen a lot of sick Canadians who come to the U.S. for proper health care are going to die.
Well the Amish also don't believe in modern technologies either.
Funniest thing I read all morning. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by adriannelasvegas
Yes because all Canadians head down to the States at the first sign of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by adriannelasvegas
Yes but under the proposed plan, everyone MUST buy an insurance policy or they will get a ~$1500 fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
That would include all American citizens including those who refuse to use health care- christian scientists, amish, etc.
in all other civilized countries like canada, england germany basic healthcare is free, which is the way it should be, in the us, they prefer to build a 10-billion aircraft carrier rather than spend $1,000,000 on public healthcare. all the doctors are money hungry and will do anything you ask, prescribe you anything u ask. thats why so many ppl od on pills.
People OD on pills because they either want to kill themselves, or because they are addicts using drugs recreationally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunzee
The alternative is what, having the government telling people what pills they should or should not be able to get? I can't wait until the republicans come to power after THAT kind of a system is implemented.
"Oh I'm sorry, you want a birth control pill? Sex is a sin, no pill for you!"
"So you got raped 8 hours ago... by your uncle, and you want to take an emergency contraceptive so you don't have his child? No can do, the voters say that's murder!"
"Oh, you're trans? Well how about you prove you're sane first by going to this clinic that will take 5-6 years just to schedule the first appointment for your diagnosis process that will take 1-2 years to complete."
:banghead
Patients and their doctors should be the ones deciding what they should be doing with their bodies, not a gov that has to answer to powerful factions of religious extremists.