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What makes you think that the final sentence was directed at you? You injected yourself into a debate I was having with another poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Nino
Your insults fall short slick, I didn't see you in Panama, the Gulf, the Mog or Bosnia.
Just another blow hard internet toughguy.
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Originally Posted by Oli
First of all, way to attack the messenger. And no, I wasn't in GW1 due to me being about 10 years old. I did however, take multiple courses in Hand 2 Hand, Tracking, evasion and camouflaging, Wild edibles and general survival courses from an instructor who teaches the same techniques to Seals, Swat and Rangers. I still practice and train currently. You never know when you're going to need to rely on your training. I'm all set joining the service though and getting my ass involved in some ludicrous foreign invasion...
And the fact that you did witness 3rd world hell holes and tyrannical dictatorships, should make you realize how important it is to have a serious balance of power between people and government. It is the job of the people to keep the government in check and their god given freedoms at bay. Long live the Bill of Rights, Long live America
Point is, no-one walks around the UK expecting the next arsehole to be carrying a loaded weapon.
And we feel a lot safer because of it.
If you carry a weapon (knife, hot tongs, M16) you will at some point have to end up using it, and accept the consequences, which may not be very good for you.
I have been mugged once in my life (which, for a lifetime of living in this sprawling city ain't bad). I just handed over my wallet and moved on, cancelled my cards the next morning. If I had tried to defend myself with a handgun the situation would have been a messy disaster, and I would probably be in prison.
There will always be illegal arms. The banning of firearms has fuckall to do with saving us from our govt (seriously grow up!), it has to do with saving us from gun happy yahoos getting drunk and shooting up their car, children, neighbours.
And anyone who brings in Hilter into this argument is really reaching. That is the closure for the poorly educated. Anti -Darwinists do the same thing.
It is like saying, because he was a vegetarian, veggies are two steps away from implementing Final Solution Mk 2.
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Originally Posted by Tomfurbs
History repeats itself. You grow up
Maybe, it's all a matter of "pressures".Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
This debate has been really interesting.... every thing from researched arguments to 'bumper sticker' slogans pushed as education.
- There is a world of difference between regulation of a product and banning it. Trying to make out the 'slippery slope' argument there is just weak.
- The logic behind owning a handgun and being able to oppose the government is also weak. If my .38 is going to help me stop a squad of marines with assault rifles, I haven't figured out how.
- Arming EVERYONE is no more likely to stop a Columbine than attempting to disarm everyone. First off not everyone is willing to carry a gun, nor is everyone willing to actually use one if they did have one. Second, if your not prepared, the guy coming after you with the gun already in hand is going to win while you fumble around in your purse, pocket or holster. What it would do is cut down on the monologuing I suppose as the attackers would shoot more frequently and explain themselves later.
- While you may not agree with Brenda, she is completely right in her question. At what level do you control 'arms'. The handgun, the tank, the rocket, the missiles? It is a matter of degree, not apples and oranges. Many individuals in the US have the resources to make biological weapons... how about those? Radioactive waste is commonly privately owned at one point or another... while it wouldn't be a true 'nuke', with the right contacts I could certainly make a nice explosive to spread that around a densely populated city center.
- No right is absolute in the US... no 'FIRE!' in a crowded theater, no unregistered and permited 'assembly' that blocks traffic... so if your really a good patriotic american you most likely accept the idea that even our basic rights accept some regulation.
Anyway, just some initial thought after reading through this thread... a good read btw... thanks everyone.
Sean
Hi Brenda,
I don't know about Thatiger, but I'm not for banning handguns. I've mentioned somewhere in this very thread that I personally have no problem with people owning guns. I do think the activist court has set out to deliberately upset precedent. They could easily have left the amendment alone and found the DC ban to be unreasonable. I also think that licensing and registration (or something equivalent in function) are necessary to educate would be owners in the proper and safe use of handguns. Today's ruling leaves the question of regulation unanswered. That's why we're going to see tons of court cases on this issue.Quote:
Thatiger and Trish. I'm sorry but you are wrong on this one. The supreme court has just now gotten off the dime and ruled that laws that BAN handguns are unconstitutional.
Actually I think you have a point about the thermonuclear weapon. Seems to fit the definition. What this of course means is that the term "arms", in the context of the 2nd Amendment, has yet to be reasonably delimited.
Nope a majority of Supreme court justices agree with my position. I think they know more about the constitution than any of us. Unlike say....the Dread Scott case in this case the court is opting to grant freedoms. In my personal Opinion more freedom is good. People will have to take responsibility for what they do with their guns. That's the way it ought to be.
Blame people not things for what is wrong with the world. Take away the guns and instead people would shoot arrows....
That brings me to another point. Those of you who think that guns cause violence or murder in public seem to forget the world was a violent place LONG before firearms were invented. People have shot arrows, thrown spears, stabbed and cut each other to pieces. Trampled their enemies with elephants, spread plague by using a Trebuchet to fling corpses into cities.... All of this long before firearms were invented.
DC Gun Ban - Supreme Court Decision
I note one concern: For a clean showing of intent for the protection of individual rights, the vote would have been 9 to 0. With a vote of 5 to 4, that is one vote away from asserting a truly totalitarian, fascist government that knowingly, willingly, and intentionally wants to "de-claw" a population for increased management, control, and inevitable ease of abuse. .
Take a close look at the individuals behind that "4" vote. It appears they do not believe in "We The People" but lean towards and wish to enact "We the Controllers."
LMAO Well, I hope all your personal firearms make you feel 'safer' :roll: