In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.

[quote="Hannibal Lecter"][quote="vegasboy"]

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

Do you know what True Love Is?
If you do know, then you've already got your answer..

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I'm not a simple person, so I understand the difference as you're defining it between being attracted to penis, and being in love with a person who has a penis that they just happen to want you to put in your mouth and you oblige. I'm just saying, if you're not into it so much, maybe it's better to fall in love with a girl that doesn't want you to do it. Either way, it's up to you and I'm not judging you. It just sounded cop-outish.

But I know what you're saying about it not being the emphasis.

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Originally Posted by sucka4chix

Peggy, thanks for the classy (as usual) response.

It's still quite possible that someone would have wanted to "go there" with you, but they knew your attitude towards it and never tried, but you're probably right ---you knew them, I don't. If you never met one who deep down wasn't at least curious, I'd agree with Allanah that it was just luck. Whether it was good luck or bad luck is a matter of opinion.

I wasn't trying to blast anyone; just wanted to point out that the view of a few TSes, no matter how prominent, does not represent the entire group. I don't know if there is even a predominant view. I have met very few girls who don't like their equipment, but I'm still not ready to generalize.
I posted to this thread because it's frustrating to be attracted to a certain type of girl, knowing that if society knew you liked these girls you'd be ostracized AND on top of that be dissed by the very girls you're attracted to, simply because you're attracted to them! It's very confusing. Basically the signal you give off is "I want you to be attracted to me but you shouldn't be attracted to me, so since you are...I don't like you"

Also, I think you've confused a few things: sex and love and affection are 3 separate entities. You can have one or two without the other. LOVE is independent of what's between your legs.Sex is not! If we were dating and you had your SRS, If I loved you, I'd still love you. Would I still be SEXUALLY attracted to you???? That's the question. I submit that the guy who loses SEXUAL interest after SRS is not fickle; the one who doesn't is. The man who loses interest is simply interested in what he always has been. The man who doesn't (lose interest) is by definition fickle as his object of affection can change easily from ass to pussy to neo-pussy or whatever is lying next to him. It is not unreasonable for a guy to have problem with a girl having SRS. If it's something you do for you, not someone else, why do you expect someone not taking your walk to understand it? Should a guy who dates another guy be accepting when his mate wants to transition? Sure he can be supportive and even still love, but to EXPECT someone to just cater their libido to whatever form or gender you decide to take on is not only unreasonable but illogical. Pre-op to post-op is the same thing. We all understand, I think, that men need erections to perform intercourse. Most sane men aren't aroused simply because you're human; they're attracted to a smaller subset. So you like what you like and it doesn't change much. That's normal and nothing to be hated for.

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On my response, I do try to engage in polite and productive discourse,
and avoid pointless flamewars.

That and my Mom raised me to be a lady. :wink:

I definetely can concede how difficult it can be for the SO of a woman who
undergoes SRS, indeed a fairly large percentage of those relationships do
not survive after the women's surgery.

I will also also concede the semantical point about males who are open to
women with differing types of genitilia as being fickle. Though I still
maintain that many transwomen want to be desired for who they are, and
not what is between their legs.

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Originally Posted by bezane

Hi Peggy.....hope the Holiday season is a good one for you. This post is for you. I'm saying that because this is what I would say to only you in person and know that it will be unpopular here. I don't want to cause problems or argue about anything with people.

I'm not totally crazy about the way it was said but sucka makes some points.

I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.

That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.

There is also the issue of "the guys that are full of shit." Those are the ones that are worshipped by many TS girls because they are macho straight guys, that happened to "abandon" the notion of being with a GG because they happen to have met "the woman of their dreams" in a transsexual wrapper. How can this be?

The idea may suddenly appeal to them. And the taboo may drive their desire through the roof. But I'm not a kid here living in the closet, as many here know. The guys are NOW into Transsexuals. As inconvenient as that may be to someone's ego.

I'm also a total top. Really don't like the bottom AT ALL. But I do like every aspect of the TS body.

The debate over transsexualism often takes a MALE VS. FEMALE discourse. And often times the transitioning women become hyper-sensitive to the debate. They, due to society's ridiculous simplicity choose to be female and anything that hints male is met with disgust. And it baffles me that many TS women call guys that admire them faggots, cock worshippers, etc. but really believe their own boyfriend is some Macho Straight man in a steel jockstrap.

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. Everyone is entitled to their feelings. But admirer's, especially one's that don't hide their feelings are a bit closer to normality than TS women that hate guys that like their cocks. That's not right. On this board due to shout downs they are supreme judges, but in the real world, no one is going to say that the cock hating TS lover is any better than the cock loving TS lover.

And why torture yourself. A TS woman, a real one, one that works hard to dazzle the world with her looks and well-adjusted attitude is so rare. Guys can't find them. But GG's are everywhere. So do TS women really believe that these unsuspecting men are really 100% unsuspecting? I know two guys very well, that date TS girls, great ones, one here on board, and they both told me they've always liked TS women but their current girlfriends think they are the first. No one gets hurt. Or do they?

Then the other debate. The one about hating men that want to suck their cocks. Do these girls like anal sex? Do all GG girls like anal sex? Why is one act an act of a faggot and the other is not. If I don't fuck my GG girlfriend's ass is that wrong?

Point being is that let make the question more complex. An ass is not a vagina. They are different. I go out with GG's mostly to get to their vagina's. And guess what, they have an ass too. So unless I admit loving the complexity and beauty of a TS girl, what the fuck do I need her for? If I love her that's one reason. But are we being naive enough to think that there is only one single person in the world for us and we happened to find them? And if that hits the skids, is that it. Never settle down again?

A TS girl here called me because she was in town. She is beautiful. She can date anyone. I was flattered. We hung out at a restaurant, then a bar, all mainstream on the Vegas strip and you couldn't tell her from any of the other 350,000 visiting GG women. What was enlightening was that she told me it was nice to be out with a guy that "knows." No stress. And yet she was really jived by the fact we weren't going to drag shows or tranny bars or gay bars. And when I asked her wasn't she wanting to meet a "straight guy?" She's a smart girl. She said if they don't know, when they find out they are gone. If they find out it is usually within a day that they get you into bed. Meaning, he knew, he's turned on by it, no hesitation. He changed his entire life on a dime. No discussion.

Of course we'll hear that many are wined and dined by "straight men" after they find out. They never look at TS porn the whole time because even after they knew they continued to be "straight men." Well in accordance with the laws of nature I guess i'm not straight. But in accordance with the laws between man and woman, I'm the real deal. But I still can't figure out why TS girls should hate me because I like them. And I can't figure out why they want to hide from the notion of what they are?

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Seasons greeting to you as well. :wink:

Thus far it's been a festive, joyous, though somewhat hectic one.

You've made a number of points, I'll address a few that stand out
for me.

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I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.

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I won't speak for other post operative women, but pound for pound, I
don't feel at a disadvantage.

I feel that my intelligence, integrity, personality, etc, put me in good stead
with any woman, trans or natal. By no means do I feel like a second class
citizen, or Miss Runner Up. :lol:

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That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.

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By the same token I didn't transition solely to attract men, it was never
about having men falling down at my feet, or stopping them dead in their
tracks.

I'm not in the industry, or in entertainment so my looks aren't what pay
the bills, for that I use what is between my ears and not what is between
my legs.

I'm mildly bi, open to a relationship with a woman or a man (lean more to
males), but I transitioned because it was what my heart and mind dictated
for me.

There are women who transition because it will garner them more sexual
partners, I was not one such woman, though I have had my fair share of
lovers.

Bottom line I am a woman because it is who I am, not because I am
trying to to curry the favor of men.

It's nice when it happens, but it doesn't diminish my worth or self-esteem
when it doe not.

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Originally Posted by Trogdor

The chick in Orlando cute? and if so, what's her number? :mrgreen:

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LOL, check your messages.

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Originally Posted by sucka4chix

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Originally Posted by Trogdor

The chick in Orlando cute? and if so, what's her number? :mrgreen:

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LOL, check your messages.

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Now THAT'S my kinda babe. :mrgreen:

[quote="vegasboy"][quote="Hannibal Lecter"]

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

Do you know what True Love Is?
If you do know, then you've already got your answer..

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I'm not a simple person, so I understand the difference as you're defining it between being attracted to penis, and being in love with a person who has a penis that they just happen to want you to put in your mouth and you oblige. I'm just saying, if you're not into it so much, maybe it's better to fall in love with a girl that doesn't want you to do it. Either way, it's up to you and I'm not judging you. It just sounded cop-outish.

But I know what you're saying about it not being the emphasis.

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WOW, are you capable of choosing who to fall in love with? That's interesting.
Could you learn me that secret? :-)

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

WOW, are you capable of choosing who to fall in love with? That's interesting.
Could you learn me that secret? :-)

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I can't learn a sappy hopeless romantic anything unless you tone down your emotions somewhat. You'll have to learn it yourself. Whatever sensation you get when you fall in love isn't exclusive to one person out of many billions ya fucktard. Nice try. And I don't mean anything by fucktard but your tone is kind of condescending for someone making such a weak argument.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.

I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.

I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.

They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.

Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.


HA please fill me in. :?:

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Hmm- maybe its the energy you projected?

I certainly have not been so lucky in my personal life as you. Dated a few size queens in disguise- which is always so dissapointing.

I'm quite happy to be a bottom in my personal life.
HA please fill me in.

But I am sure things have changed A LOT.

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Why do you think it was dissapointing because you could not live up to their expectations with your penis.

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The stuff you say on here makes you sound SERIOUSLY mentally challenged most of the time..I.E. not knowing the differenve between Spanish & Portugese and your generilizations about post op TS women.

It was dissapointing because I am not a top in my personal life- and I don't date dick hungry guys like you that want to suck and get fucked and are against ts having SRS.

If I wanted a size queen or to be a top- I would have simply stayed male and led a gay lifesyle.

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Allanah Star are you a legal american citizen or did you come over here on one of the Cuban boats? Are you also a tax payer?

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(sigh) Dude why don't you go to the Klan mesage board if you're going to go there?

If Allanah and a lot of other t-women are more comfortable being strict bottoms that's their choice and their business. I know if I wanted to be a bottom guy I would simply find a t-woman who is cool with that (and they do exist--there may not be many, but there are some out there) instead of telling a t-woman who is about to have The Operation to not do it (and if I have done that, I sincerely apologize and will not do that again) or otherwise berating one who is merely exercising her choice to receive pleasure as she sees fit.

Look, I know that it's difficult, and at times painful, to remember that t-women, like any other human being, do not merely exist as receptacles for our physical pleasure. I love looking at photos of goregous t-women and g-women and fantasizing about them as much as the next guy. I might become disappointed when a t-woman to whom I'm attracted expresses that she is bottom-only in the strictest possible sense or anounces that she is finally having The Operation. But I'll still be happy for her, and anyway, it's her life and her body.

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Originally Posted by bezane

Hi Peggy.....hope the Holiday season is a good one for you. This post is for you. I'm saying that because this is what I would say to only you in person and know that it will be unpopular here. I don't want to cause problems or argue about anything with people.

I'm not totally crazy about the way it was said but sucka makes some points.

I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.

That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.

There is also the issue of "the guys that are full of shit." Those are the ones that are worshipped by many TS girls because they are macho straight guys, that happened to "abandon" the notion of being with a GG because they happen to have met "the woman of their dreams" in a transsexual wrapper. How can this be?

The idea may suddenly appeal to them. And the taboo may drive their desire through the roof. But I'm not a kid here living in the closet, as many here know. The guys are NOW into Transsexuals. As inconvenient as that may be to someone's ego.

I'm also a total top. Really don't like the bottom AT ALL. But I do like every aspect of the TS body.

The debate over transsexualism often takes a MALE VS. FEMALE discourse. And often times the transitioning women become hyper-sensitive to the debate. They, due to society's ridiculous simplicity choose to be female and anything that hints male is met with disgust. And it baffles me that many TS women call guys that admire them faggots, cock worshippers, etc. but really believe their own boyfriend is some Macho Straight man in a steel jockstrap.

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. Everyone is entitled to their feelings. But admirer's, especially one's that don't hide their feelings are a bit closer to normality than TS women that hate guys that like their cocks. That's not right. On this board due to shout downs they are supreme judges, but in the real world, no one is going to say that the cock hating TS lover is any better than the cock loving TS lover.

And why torture yourself. A TS woman, a real one, one that works hard to dazzle the world with her looks and well-adjusted attitude is so rare. Guys can't find them. But GG's are everywhere. So do TS women really believe that these unsuspecting men are really 100% unsuspecting? I know two guys very well, that date TS girls, great ones, one here on board, and they both told me they've always liked TS women but their current girlfriends think they are the first. No one gets hurt. Or do they?

Then the other debate. The one about hating men that want to suck their cocks. Do these girls like anal sex? Do all GG girls like anal sex? Why is one act an act of a faggot and the other is not. If I don't fuck my GG girlfriend's ass is that wrong?

Point being is that let make the question more complex. An ass is not a vagina. They are different. I go out with GG's mostly to get to their vagina's. And guess what, they have an ass too. So unless I admit loving the complexity and beauty of a TS girl, what the fuck do I need her for? If I love her that's one reason. But are we being naive enough to think that there is only one single person in the world for us and we happened to find them? And if that hits the skids, is that it. Never settle down again?

A TS girl here called me because she was in town. She is beautiful. She can date anyone. I was flattered. We hung out at a restaurant, then a bar, all mainstream on the Vegas strip and you couldn't tell her from any of the other 350,000 visiting GG women. What was enlightening was that she told me it was nice to be out with a guy that "knows." No stress. And yet she was really jived by the fact we weren't going to drag shows or tranny bars or gay bars. And when I asked her wasn't she wanting to meet a "straight guy?" She's a smart girl. She said if they don't know, when they find out they are gone. If they find out it is usually within a day that they get you into bed. Meaning, he knew, he's turned on by it, no hesitation. He changed his entire life on a dime. No discussion.

Of course we'll hear that many are wined and dined by "straight men" after they find out. They never look at TS porn the whole time because even after they knew they continued to be "straight men." Well in accordance with the laws of nature I guess i'm not straight. But in accordance with the laws between man and woman, I'm the real deal. But I still can't figure out why TS girls should hate me because I like them. And I can't figure out why they want to hide from the notion of what they are?

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Yeah!!!!!

Great points. And it's an issue for me, too. Check out my blog on myspace.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.

I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.

I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.

They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.

Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.

HA please fill me in. :?:

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Well,

um.......


any chance we can put that baby back on? :P