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LBCD right on....
Gender Dysphoria: the transgendered person's body does not match their psychological sense of their gender.
Most transwomen see themselves women:
BUT
If they have a penis their genitalia is male.
IF they have SRS (not all of us do) then their genitalia becomes female
Hence a male that performs fellatio on a transgendered woman's penis is performing a homosexual act.
I think too many want to paint this as a technical issue. Well OK them technically yes it is a homosexual act. I don't care if you suck the dick or not, if she's had SRS or not technically ANY contact with a biological male is homsexual act.
But I don't think most of us view this from a technical viewpoint.
We can go and have gine back and forth with this and lets face it there is not just one way to view this. There is no one defined way to view this situation. Even if we asked so-called mental proffesionals we'd find many varying opinions.
But for a transwoman or even a bisexual person that happens to date TSs to tell me that I'm in denial is like the straight world telling the TS girl that she's just crazy and that there is no such thing as transexualism or the many gays that will argue to a bi person that bisexuality is nothing more than a bunch of confused gay people in denial.
I came out w/ my so'called TS attraction to many of my friends many years ago. Almost all of the gay ones SWORE that I was just denying my attraction to men and how eventually I would give into my secret desire to be with a real man. How the whole thing was just a farce. Not realizing that my attraction really had NOTHING to do with anything sexual (that came much later).
The fact of the matter is that you can't truly claim to know what a person is w/o knowing that person. In many cases, people know themselves better than anyone else. I know for me that I really have no reason to deny anything.
If I (speaking for me and only me ) just so happen to truly view in my mind, heart, and spirit honestly view the TS woman that I am with as a woman. Nothing about me or what I do with her is nothing but me being with my woman.
The fact is, it is just 'different' and if you don't know the feeling, if you have't expierienced it you would NEVER understand. [/b]
RangeHova, I agree with you. You hit it for me here:
I think there's a big difference between a TS or bisexual person or anyone telling someone else he's in denial about his homosexual tendencies and actually being in denial: the first is the perception of one person by another (which may or may not be true), and the second is the self-perception (or denial) of a person about himself. I think some TS lovers are in denial, and a transwoman may be very sensitive to this and pick up on it--or be too sensitive and imagine it where it doesn't exist. But other TS lovers are not in denial; they know who they are and what they like, and these usually don't care about labels and accept the label bisexual if they must. In any event, this is either a dichotomy or a perceived dichotomy in the men who love transwomen.Quote:
Originally Posted by RangeHova
There's also, I think, a conflict within some transwomen: if, as eclipse says, they suffer from gender dysphoria, they want to emphasize the feminine in themselves to the nth degree--often far more so than genetic women will. They way they dress, carry themselves, talk, groom themselves, it's all about accentuating the feminine. Yet it is important for them to consider their penis as masculine and "wrong" to the degree that they need to insist that any man having sexual contact with their penis or even with them in any way constitutes a homosexual act. Doesn't this serve to undercut their own self-image as women? To underscore their difference, the "wrongness" about the body they are in?
I'm pretty tired, so I may not be articulating this as well as I might, but there seems to be a good deal of self-conflict or self-denial on both sides: for men who love TS women, denial of their homosexual or bisexual nature (I think it's bisexual; homosexual men desire other men only), and for TS women who want to be women yet insist that sex between themselves and a man is homosexual sex. Personally, I'm quite happy to be bisexual, and no one combines the two sexes like a beautiful and sexy transwomen who enjoys sex, so who needs labels? I'm not homosexual, I'm not heterosexual, so I must be bisexual, which is also too limiting because there are more than two poles to human sexuality. So I prefer omnisexual, but call me bisexual if you want.
Eeeeewww man pee pee.. No Way....thats gay
sorry for the double post
I would suck a t-girl or a guys cock...good thing about being bi is I can sleep with anyone at the bar
Well, I've sucked guys, I've sucked t's. I like sucking cock. But unless the guy is overwhelmingly hot and I'm already in a situation that makes it easy (been years, but I mean orgies, or the one ominsexual bath-house, the late lamented Sutro Baths in SF), I don't seek out men. I am female oriented, attracted to feminine looks and just generally find it easier to relate to women, genetic or not.
I'm not gonna say I've never found myself hot for the guy in a shemale video. Especially those buff Brazilians (I think in Brazil I'd go apeshit, having sex with men and t's together). But I am OVERWHELMINGLY hot for shemales.
I think the main issue this has brought up for me, and one we should all be concerned about (if we really care about transsexuals) is THE GUY WHO IS SO UPTIGHT THAT HE MIGHT BE GAY THAT HE WILL BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THE GIRL OUT OF HOMOPHOBIC RAGE AND REMORSE.
We all know this happens a LOT, and it is the thing that is SO upsetting about t's that like to play the "fooling them" game. I worry for girls who do this and think they are acting out on serious unresolved conflicts of their own.
Give me a t who's comfortable with herself (like Sheeba, as reported above) and I'll happily say I am sucking a guy's cock (as long as I GET TO SUCK IT!!!!)
In the meantime, I am happily married, and unfortunately, have to keep this hunger a secret (unlike some of you lucky guys).
Just to weigh in on this issue, maybe saying something that hasn't been already said. My personal opinion is that sucking t-girl cock isn't really gay. The logic being say I had sex with Buck Angel, the female to male transgender. He has a vagina, but if I ate him out it would be homosexual. There's more than just genetalia to define the sexes. If that were the case then everyone would look the same, male or female and the only thing setting them apart would be their genetalia.
Liking t-girls doesn't make someone completely bi, because they don't like men, so that title is inaccurate. They harbor bi-sexual tendencies but aren't bi.
Simple fact is this, I suck Tgurl cock yes am I gay no, am I str8, no. Am I bi, no. It's just that a lot of people want to pigeonhole people into groups and peg them down. I simply like beauty, feminine beauty and weather she has a cock or cunt doesn't matter. There's no way I could bring myself to suck a man's cock that's all.
The Semantics On This Are Really Getting Out There-Personally, The Only Cock I Suck Are TGirls; I Don't Like Guys. If I Did I Wouldn't Have Any Trouble Blowing Them. I Don't Consider Myself Gay Or Bi.
I Just Love TGirls. I Still Go Out With GGs, But They Are Getting To Be A Real Fucking Pain In The Ass. But That's Another Story.