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A little bit about Mark Rubio and climate change -> http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astro...l_warming.html
Marco Rubio on Climate Change: Whatever, Man:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Marco Rubio on Climate Change: Whatever, Man - YouTube
Marco Rubio says, "I understand that there is a significant scientific consensus on that issue but I've actually seen reasonable debate on that issue..."Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I'm confused as to what he means by: reasonable debate....
I mean, it goes back to Tom Ferguson's Investment Theory of Politics.
Take, say, global warming denier James Inhofe.... Who funds him. And who does he work for:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicia...?cid=N00005582
Just today President Obama met with the House Democrats who were on their annual retreat. After his talk the floor was opened to questions and quite surprisingly the greatest number of questions were not about drones or sequestration but climate change.
In short whilst the President expressed his concerns about the issue he did tell the representatives that at this point the pressing issues in order of priority were sequestration (and a balance of increased revenues and cuts in order to replace it without quite going down the road of austerity that has been the trend in the EU), immigration reform and gun control.
All valid and all disheartening. Considering the difficulties in getting a balanced approach to dealing with the deficit, meaningful gun reform and a immigration solution that includes intelligent roads to US citizenship he is probably right. But that means by the time that stuff is done, we will be too close to mid-term elections for Congress to do anything about climate change. So maybe we might see some half ass - compromise bill in 2015.
The irony in all of this is that we would have radical and sweeping action if it had been Al Queda and not Sandy that wiped out NJ and NY or if the gun man at Newtown had an Arab surname.
Record snow in a warming world? The science is clear...
Climate change is serving up doses of extreme weather. Even in winter:
http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-new...ate-connection
One of the great misunderstandings about "global warming" is that it does create climate change and that does not just mean warming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
One of the more scary long term projections is that the Atlantic Gulf Stream will eventually die out as the overall globe warms. And what that means for most of Western Europe is extreme cold all the time.
Bolivian Recycled Homes Made of Litter:
Bolivian Recycled Homes Made of Litter - YouTube
Yeah, I was discussing that crucial point with my cousin a coupla weeks ago. Naomi Klein used the apt term climate chaos.... And that's what it amounts to. By pumping all this carbon -- via oil, coal and natural gas -- into the atmosphere, well, we're creating a lot of chaos....Quote:
Originally Posted by fivekatz
And, too, as Noam Chomsky pointed out: say the scientists are wrong about climate change. OK, then you've done a few things and spent a bit of money. But say they're right. Then the species is down the drain.
I mean, we're literally gambling on our own fate.
And, again, as Chomsky points out: we don't have to do this. I mean, there are alternatives.... Why don't we explore those alternatives? I mean, even from the standpoint of pollution. By switching to other forms of energy you reduce pollution. That's a benefit to us. And, too, to future generations.
But a market system doesn't take into account a cost to us, to people. I mean, when there's a traffic accident, well, the GNP goes up. So, that's a benefit to the market system. That gives you an indication of how warped GNP measuring is.
David Suzuki: the economy is not science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NiauhOCfsk