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Originally Posted by
natina
two (2) experts reviewed the 911 tapes which is evidence and concluded its not zimmerman screaming for help!
Well i hope if this ever goes to trial those 2 experts can say with 100% certainty that it wasn’t Zimmerman.
I don’t know who is right or wrong but I do know most experts that are brought in on high profile cases usually go with the side who brought them in................. But hey, after the trial maybe those 2 and and the bigfoot experts can bring me bigfoot!
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buds
Are we to believe these new experts who came up with a 48% certianty in their own words?
You guys do know there are experts who have seen Bigfoot and ghosts.........
problem with this world is the monday morning quarterbacks who would rather jump on a cause BEFORE the facts come out. This is nothing but a distraction to how big of a mess our country is in. Not to mention our leader who decided to make a lame statement to further fuel the fire.
48% match in voice recognition means that two voice recordings have similarities. but it's not enough of a direct correlation to be the same voice.
Two random men speaking for instance have about 35-55% match ratio.
That's why the voice recognition expert said for Zimmerman's voice to match the voice on the 911 calls, the match ratio would have to be at 90% or above.
So if the voice on the 911 calls wasn't Zimmerman........:loser:
Keep defending this turdball.
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it was 99% certainty & you can never have a 100% certainty .
conclusion is that zimmerman is lying
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-2-experts-say
http://gawker.com/5898036/new-eviden...trayvon-martin
Witness To Trayvon Shooting Speaks Out! - YouTube
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natina
Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Screams not George Zimmerman's, 2 experts say
The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.
"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-2-experts-say
New Evidence Contradicts Zimmerman’s Claim of a Violent Fight With Trayvon Martin
While George Zimmerman still has not been charged in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, his public defense — as espoused by his lawyer and family members — rests on the fact that Zimmerman was involved in a physical altercation with Martin. New evidence, however, contradicts that version of events. First there was the security camera footage from the night Zimmerman claims Martin beat him senselessly: to most who watched the video, Zimmerman appeared unscathed.
Now Richard Kurtz, the Miami funeral director who examined Trayvon Martin's body, says the body "showed no signs of a violent brawl."
We could see no physical signs like there had been a scuffle [or] there had been a fight. The hands — I didn't see any knuckles, bruises or what have you, and that is something we would have covered up if it would have been there.
In the strongest statement issued, Kurtz says Trayvon Martin "looked perfectly normal to me when he came in and the story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight in anything that we could see." CBS has video of the interview with Kurtz.
Furthermore, EMS documents obtained by the New York Daily News Friday indicate that a second ambulance was canceled. It had been called for the "second victim" who was "not a gunshot." Whatever injuries Zimmerman did sustain in the apparent fight must not have been sufficient to merit emergency medical response
http://gawker.com/5898036/new-eviden...trayvon-martin
Witness To Trayvon Shooting Speaks Out! - YouTube
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I think its funny how retard the world is. I said i don't know if he did it or not and I can wait for the system to come to a conclusion.
What i find the funniest is all of the people who have a opinion based solely on what is thrown out on the news. (you know the people who report whatever they need to boost their ratings)
Here are some of the things that piss me off with this whole deal:
1) Picture of the victim when he was 14 (not like the ones he posted on his FB page you know the 6’2” thug ones with the grill in his mouth.)
2) Obama who got involved in something beneath the office of president with a lame comment to stir trouble. (we all know his son would be in a private school with secret service and would not have had drugs and jewelry in his locker)
3) Those black panther assholes who put a bounty out on someone's head? (how many laws are they breaking and getting away with)
4) What about that idiot Spike Lee who tweeted the wrong address (not that the right one would have been any better)
5) Those other 2 idiot’s who show up every time something happens to a black person and they can spin it to a hate crime?
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Posted at 04:40 PM ET, 03/31/2012 TheWashingtonPost NBC to do ‘internal investigation’ on Zimmerman segment
By Erik Wemple
NBC told this blog today that it would investigate its handling of a piece on the “Today” show that ham-handedly abridged the conversation between George Zimmerman and a dispatcher in the moments before the death of Trayvon Martin. A statement from NBC:
“We have launched an internal investigation into the editorial process surrounding this particular story.”
Great news right there.
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
Here’s how the actual conversation went down:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
The difference between what “Today” put on its air and the actual tape? Complete: In the “Today” version, Zimmerman volunteered that this person “looks black,” a sequence of events that would more readily paint Zimmerman as a racial profiler. In reality’s version, Zimmerman simply answered a question about the race of the person whom he was reporting to the police. Nothing prejudicial at all in responding to such an inquiry.
And it’s a falsehood with repercussions. Much of the public discussion over the past week has settled on how conflicting facts and interpretations call into question whether Zimmerman acted justifiably or criminally. That’s a process that’ll continue. But one set of facts in the is ironclad, and that’s the back-and-forth between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. To portray that exchange in a way that wrongs Zimmerman is high editorial malpractice well worthy of the investigation that NBC is now mounting.
>There's been a whole pile of people who's behavior has been suspect in this, including the media. This is why all you who are substituting your opinions, experiences, and media reports in this case as matters of fact are so frustrated. We now have a major new organization doctoring 911 tapes.....and advocating for a full, fair and thorough investigation so that if there is an arrest, it will be valid.....is NOT defending Zimmerman. Those two things are exclusive of one another......don't add to the misinformation.
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Witness found treyvon shot face down, while Zimmerman was behind him.
This indicated that Zimmerman was behind him, But he told the cops that Treyvon was behind him and hit him.
They found no injuries on Treyvon to indicate he hit Zimmerman, yet Zimmeran had injuries, leads to suspect if was self inflicted.
Police had told him to not follow the kid, yet he did. So he went against law advice.
He volunteered to be the watchman, having no rights to carry a gun at all.
He is a survivor of post traumatic stress disorder , So this racial profiling, following and his suspicious nature of his sounds like he was gunning for this poor kid.
The kid had not robbed, hurt, or vandalized the neighborhood, So just because it's raining and he's wearing a hood he is suspicious? Are you not allowed to keep your head dry when it rains?
I mean cmon Zimmerman sounds so sketchy!
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NO PARAMEDICS NEEDED OR USED FOR ZIMMERMAN
Video raises doubts about gunman’s story in Trayvon Martin case; defense says it’s too grainy
MIAMI — Newly released police video of a handcuffed George Zimmerman may be important for what it doesn’t show: No obvious cuts, scrapes, blood or bandages. No clearly broken nose. No plainly visible evidence of a life-and-death struggle with Trayvon Martin.
As the furor over race and self-defense raged on in Florida and around the U.S. on Thursday, Martin’s family and supporters seized on the footage to dispute Zimmerman’s claim that he shot and killed the unarmed black teenager after the young man attacked him.
While cautioning that the video is grainy and far from conclusive, some legal experts agreed it does raise questions about Zimmerman’s story. The video was made about a half-hour after the shooting Feb. 26.
“It could be very significant,” said Daniel Lurvey, a former Miami-Dade County homicide prosecutor. “If I were the prosecutor, it would certainly be Exhibit A that he did not suffer any major injury as a result of a confrontation with Trayvon Martin.”
Zimmerman attorney Craig Sonner said on NBC’s “Today” show that the footage appears to support his client’s story in some respects.
“It’s a very grainy video. ... However, if you watch, you’ll see one of the officers, as he’s walking in, looking at something on the back of his head,” Sonner said. “Clearly the report shows he was cleaned up before he was taken in the squad car.”
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in the town of Sanford, told police he shot the 17-year-old Martin after the young man punched him in the nose, knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head against a sidewalk.
The Sanford Police Department video begins at 7:52 p.m., about 35 minutes after the shooting, as Zimmerman arrives at the station. It shows Zimmerman’s head and face as he gets out of a police car. There is no sound on the video.
There is no obvious wound on his head or blood on his clothing, and there are no indications of a broken nose — which Zimmerman’s lawyer has insisted he suffered. He walks briskly, smoothly and unassisted.
“The explanation he is relying on is that there was a physical altercation,” said Kendall Coffey, former U.S. attorney in Miami. “The intensity of the physical conflict is critical to his self-defense claim.”
Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Martin family, said the footage directly contradicts Zimmerman’s story: “There are no marks on his face. There is no blood on his face. It’s not like he’s dazed or he has been injured.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...fhS_story.html
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EvonRose
Witness found treyvon shot face down, while Zimmerman was behind him.
This indicated that Zimmerman was behind him, But he told the cops that Treyvon was behind him and hit him.
They found no injuries on Treyvon to indicate he hit Zimmerman, yet Zimmeran had injuries, leads to suspect if was self inflicted.
Police had told him to not follow the kid, yet he did. So he went against law advice.
He volunteered to be the watchman, having no rights to carry a gun at all.
He is a survivor of post traumatic stress disorder , So this racial profiling, following and his suspicious nature of his sounds like he was gunning for this poor kid.
The kid had not robbed, hurt, or vandalized the neighborhood, So just because it's raining and he's wearing a hood he is suspicious? Are you not allowed to keep your head dry when it rains?
I mean cmon Zimmerman sounds so sketchy!
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Solitary Brother
R u serious?
You can't be serious?
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Originally Posted by
buds
Are we to believe these new experts who came up with a 48% certianty in their own words?
You guys do know there are experts who have seen Bigfoot and ghosts.........
problem with this world is the monday morning quarterbacks who would rather jump on a cause BEFORE the facts come out. This is nothing but a distraction to how big of a mess our country is in. Not to mention our leader who decided to make a lame statement to further fuel the fire.
Totally agree about the lame statement by our leader. How dare this guy say something like that to try to console the family. Did he forget that he's half white? For all he knows if he and Michelle had a sob he could actually look like Zimmerman. But he'd rather state with certainty that its Trayvon who his son would look like. The nerve if this guy.
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AmyDaly
If you read the initial police statements, it is documented that Zimmerman said on the scene he was yelling for help. Do you really think in the heat of the moment and being talked to by police that he would think ahead of the future and say that he was yelling for help knowing that the yells for help would be analyzed over and over? Have some common sense.
You just became so much hotter now that i have an idea of how you think.
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buds
I think its funny how retard the world is. I said i don't know if he did it or not and I can wait for the system to come to a conclusion.
What i find the funniest is all of the people who have a opinion based solely on what is thrown out on the news. (you know the people who report whatever they need to boost their ratings)
Here are some of the things that piss me off with this whole deal:
1) Picture of the victim when he was 14 (not like the ones he posted on his FB page you know the 6’2” thug ones with the grill in his mouth.)
2) Obama who got involved in something beneath the office of president with a lame comment to stir trouble. (we all know his son would be in a private school with secret service and would not have had drugs and jewelry in his locker)
3) Those black panther assholes who put a bounty out on someone's head? (how many laws are they breaking and getting away with)
4) What about that idiot Spike Lee who tweeted the wrong address (not that the right one would have been any better)
5) Those other 2 idiot’s who show up every time something happens to a black person and they can spin it to a hate crime?
I was going through this thread and was actually reading your posts and the true face of a person eventually comes our. I find it very telling that the only things about the situation that you don't like are things black people did...lol.. You're disqualified..
How many times does it have to be pointed out to you people that Trayvon didnt look like the gold teeth pictures the night he was murdered because that isn't Trayvon. The racist bitch Sunshyne posted those bullshit pictures from the right-wing smear campaign website that grab another kids pictures so they could incite the sentiment that you just expressed. This is old news bro. If you're gonna be commenting in this case at least be on the current timeline.
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The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.
"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
The conclusions of Owen and another audio expert were first reported by the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday.
Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims the shooting was self-defense.
The 911 call, reposted in this YouTube clip, came on the night of Feb. 26 from a woman who reported someone crying out for help in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
In the recording of her phone call, panicked cries and a gunshot are heard.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-2-experts-say
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zimmerman better not speak no more ,he getting caught in a web of lies
Bang! 'You got me!' Are they kidding? Trayvon's last words were 'You got me'?
Imagine. You're in a life or death struggle with someone you are desperately trying to kill with your bare hands. You have spent the last sixty seconds pummeling this person with your fists and bashing his head on the pavement. You notice he has a gun. You smile your evil, golden-toothed smile and say, "You are going to die tonight." The struggle continues, but this 250-lb. full grown, 28-year old man you have been grappling with for the last minute or so with your lanky, 17-year old, 160-lb. body, beating him with your fists, bashing his head over and over again, this intended murder victim you randomly chose to satisfy your mad, senseless, mindless, hatred of all White people, reaches into his holster, withdraws his 9mm and busts a cap in your chest. Right in the pump.
You look at the blood gushing from your chest wound, doing your best to keep any of it from splashing all over the person who just shot you. You make eye contact.
"You got me," you say, as you fall backwards. Dead.
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onmyknees
Posted at 04:40 PM ET, 03/31/2012 TheWashingtonPost
NBC to do ‘internal investigation’ on Zimmerman segment
By
Erik Wemple
NBC told this blog today that it would investigate its handling of a piece on the “Today” show that ham-handedly abridged the conversation between George Zimmerman and a dispatcher in the moments before the death of Trayvon Martin. A statement from NBC:
“We have launched an internal investigation into the editorial process surrounding this particular story.”
Great news right there.
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
Here’s how the actual conversation went down:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
The difference between what “Today” put on its air and the actual tape? Complete: In the “Today” version, Zimmerman volunteered that this person “looks black,” a sequence of events that would more readily paint Zimmerman as a racial profiler. In reality’s version, Zimmerman simply answered a question about the race of the person whom he was reporting to the police. Nothing prejudicial at all in responding to such an inquiry.
And it’s a falsehood with repercussions. Much of the public discussion over the past week has settled on how conflicting facts and interpretations call into question whether Zimmerman acted justifiably or criminally. That’s a process that’ll continue. But one set of facts in the is ironclad, and that’s the back-and-forth between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. To portray that exchange in a way that wrongs Zimmerman is high editorial malpractice well worthy of the investigation that NBC is now mounting.
>There's been a whole pile of people who's behavior has been suspect in this, including the media. This is why all you who are substituting your opinions, experiences, and media reports in this case as matters of fact are so frustrated. We now have a major new organization doctoring 911 tapes.....and advocating for a full, fair and thorough investigation so that if there is an arrest, it will be valid.....is
NOT defending Zimmerman. Those two things are exclusive of one another......don't add to the misinformation.
These are good points and its a shame that this news organization did that. I hope in providing this information you're not however suggesting this means Trayvon was not racially profiled? I may believe that when when they show me that "fucking coons" was somehow doctored.
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dafame
I may believe that when when they show me that "fucking coons" was somehow doctored.
I think the "fucking coons" part is highly subjective as to what he said. The first time I heard it, it sounded like he said "fucking cold". Which actually make sense since it was raining and in the low 60's, which is fucking cold for Florida. Its open to interpretation. But it is also much like a ghost EVP to where you have news organizations suggestion to everyone that "It might say something racist!". That automatically makes people look for and assume that he said coons. If all the news stations reported it as the other way and didn't splice to 911 call, people would have a different opinion. Unfortunately everyone trusts the news and every opinion they report.
All the character witnesses for this man all point to him not being a racist person. Not a single person who knows the guy has said a single negative thing about the guy. There really is no evidence to the guy being racist other than he is white, which automatically makes him a racist in these people's minds.
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parroting fox news reports is bad for your health
parroting fox news reports is bad for your health
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Zimmerman has at least two dozen prior calls to 911 where he VOLUNTEERS the race of the person he's observing. He racially profiled the kid on is own, who the fuck cares about if he's being made to look 'racist'.
NBC edited the tape, but multiple other news outlets did not. Anyone who has access to youtube has heard the full, unedited exchange between Zimmerman and the 911 dispatcher.
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natina
parroting fox news reports is bad for your health
Haven't watched fox news in over 10 years. I don't even have cable. Try again.
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giovanni_hotel
Zimmerman has at least two dozen prior calls to 911 where he VOLUNTEERS the race of the person he's observing. He racially profiled the kid on is own, who the fuck cares about if he's being made to look 'racist'.
NBC edited the tape, but multiple other news outlets did not. Anyone who has access to youtube has heard the full, unedited exchange between Zimmerman and the 911 dispatcher.
I agree 100%
Zimmerman had said loon multiple times, and his tone was that of an attack as oppose to him being cold. He saw his target and poor kid was the victim.
Like they said Zimmerman suffers depression, this type of depression makes people more paranoid, in this situation he saw a black kid with a hood and racially profiled him, and he went to the extreme of paranoid.
When will they limit gun rights against crazy people?
I get the right to bear arms but when does the line get drawn to stop people with the rights to have gun to stop them from walking in a mall and just shoot people?
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Whether Zimmerman is racist or not is besides the point.
The point is whether he was justified in killing an unarmed person. Whether the police properly investigated his claim of self defense or just took his word for it even though Martin only was armed with snacks.
If there is evidence that Zimmerman pursued Martin (which he admitted to 911) and that someone was screaming for help (whoever it was) and the dead body is unarmed, is it reasonable to take the shooter's side of the story (despite conflicting witness statements) and let him go home and leave it at that?
If someone you cared about was dead under those circumstances would anyone be satisfied with that?
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Zimmerman will end up getting his asshole stretched out in prison for one simple reason:
As soon as he got out of his vehicle & gave chase on foot, he became the threat, & therefore initiated the assault. Whatever happened between that point & the gunfire is irrelevant. Claims of self defense, "stand your ground", & whatever don't apply when you create the confrontation.
As far as I'm concerned, he needs to be locked away for committing the universal crime of being stupid.
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How long are you guys gonna beat this dead hourse....
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Most reasonable people want to see Zimmerman arrested and forced to make his crazy defense before a jury of his peers.
It's really disturbing how you continue to imply shooting a Black teenager is 'justifiable homicide' on principle.
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SunshyneMonroe
How long are you guys gonna beat this dead hourse....
This will go on for a long time till Zimmerman is locked away.
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SunshyneMonroe
How long are you guys gonna beat this dead hourse....
Until it comes back to life.
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just like casey anthony? oj?
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nonnonnon
just like casey anthony? oj?
But they were arrested.
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hippifried
Zimmerman will end up getting his asshole stretched out in prison for one simple reason:
As soon as he got out of his vehicle & gave chase on foot, he became the threat, & therefore initiated the assault. Whatever happened between that point & the gunfire is irrelevant. Claims of self defense, "stand your ground", & whatever don't apply when you create the confrontation.
As far as I'm concerned, he needs to be locked away for committing the universal crime of being stupid.
Not exactly. Something similarly happened in New York (i.e., the shooter creating the confrontation) and the individual was found not guilty by a jury.
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top...en-s-shooting/
Since the Martin shooting, this story has gotten some spotlight because the shooter is Black and the dead teen is White.
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He was clearly arrested as we can see in the video from the police station. He gets out of the police car in cuffs.
The question is what happens after that...Let me see...
:confused::confused::confused:
My father is an ex-judge who is retired in Florida...make the phone call.
Zimmerman's dad called in a favor and when the shit hit the fan and this was put out there under the floodlights, the cover-up began in my opinion.
That is how things work...If you know the right people, sometimes you can get away with murder.
Lets see what happens. Will he be arrested again...or not?
:confused::confused::confused:
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natina
First of all, I am "African-American". I'm not meaning to be disrespectful to you or anyone else on this forum. But I'd like to know why you're copying and pasting a bunch of info about race and ethnicity and websites with that information on it. This situation shouldn't even be about race. It should be about morality and principle, period. Without even getting emotional about racial issues, or trying to bring religion into it, which is what those two "reverends" are doing, anyone can use logic and reason and see that something is not right. As a person who adheres to libertarian, objectivist, and secular humanistic values I can see that something is not right. And, yes, as time goes on we are getting more information which is a good thing.
What you said about Hispanic people is wrong. Generally speaking, first and foremost, they have indigenous/native/Amerindian ancestry. This is obvious from their appearance. You did not mention that. You were right about African and European. Several times as many West African slaves were sent to Mexico, the West Indies, Central, and South America than to the USA. You mentioned Spanish and English, but you need to mention Portuguese because they made a very large percentage of the European immigration. Immigrants from other areas in Europe such as France and Germany also went there. Generally speaking, there were no racial marriage laws or segregation laws in these countries/colonies as opposed to the USA. There was a caste system based on skin color and racial family history. There still is to a certain extent, but over the centuries it's become very hard to determine exactly what someone's ethnic mixture is so it's for the most part very impractical nowadays. Major terms are as follows; Negro = black, Mulatto = white/black, Zambo = black/native, Mestizo = white/native (you weren't accurate about that), and there are several other terms depending on other amounts/percentages of ancestry, but as you can see it gets to the point that it's like splitting hairs. That's why the vast majority of Hispanic/Latino people who come to the USA don't adhere to our rules of ethnic identification even if they LOOK mostly white, black, or native american. A lot of "African-Americans" like myself wouldn't be called "negro" in Latin America. Although my skin is light brown and my features are clearly mixed (I have maternal and paternal great-grandmothers who were biracial black/native, and white ancestors as well such as a maternal great-great-great grandfather) I am called black in the USA because of the racist "One Drop Rule" that was instituted during slavery (it increased the amount of slaves despite their race) and it still lingers in society today. Things are/were very different in Latin America. Mixing between white, black, and native was very common. For example, Mexico's first president Vicente Guerrero was white/black/native. In the nation of Argentina today, the vast majority of people identify as "white" because of a more recent wave of immigrants from Italy and Germany (the first ones to arrive were Spanish). But 150 years ago most of the population was largely native and black ("mulattoes", "mestizos", "zambos", etc included), with only 3% identifying as unmixed white. Today, there's only a very small percentage of people who look non-white. Those non-European people didn't just disappear. Their children are today's Argentinians.
That's all for now.
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AmyDaly
I think the "fucking coons" part is highly subjective as to what he said. The first time I heard it, it sounded like he said "fucking cold". Which actually make sense since it was raining and in the low 60's, which is fucking cold for Florida. Its open to interpretation. But it is also much like a ghost EVP to where you have news organizations suggestion to everyone that "It might say something racist!". That automatically makes people look for and assume that he said coons. If all the news stations reported it as the other way and didn't splice to 911 call, people would have a different opinion. Unfortunately everyone trusts the news and every opinion they report.
All the character witnesses for this man all point to him not being a racist person. Not a single person who knows the guy has said a single negative thing about the guy. There really is no evidence to the guy being racist other than he is white, which automatically makes him a racist in these people's minds.
About that "fucking coons" thing. The man who came to Zimmerman's defense about that wasn't even his friend. I'll just direct everyone here...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...yGgS_blog.html
Anyway, you're right, apparently Zimmerman got along with lots of different people. But I know people will say shit when they get emotional. People will say shit that they'd never ever say in front of friends and family if they get emotional enough. I'm sure...no...I'm CERTAIN, that the vast majority of people on this forum (whether you're a racist or not) have at some point in time thrown around racial slurs, either mentally or verbally, when they get pissed off at someone. You don't have to admit to doing it. But I know it's true because that's the reality of it. I am no exception to that rule and I'm honest enough to admit that I have done it (even to people who fall into my own ethnic social category; and NOT as a "term of endearment", I might add). But, it makes no sense to say "fucking cold, they always get away". The sentence does make sense if you replace "cold" with "coons". A little bit of logic can go a long way.
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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seanchai
Sounds like "cunts".
Or maybe..."cocks"?
With folks here obviously liking cock to SOME degree, we don't want that to get away. LOL
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SunshyneMonroe
How long are you guys gonna beat this dead hourse....
Until hopefully someone shoots you bitch.
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dafame
Until hopefully someone shoots you bitch.
...we don't need people to start acting like this...
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dafame
Until hopefully someone shoots you bitch.
Where is the moderators? this is a ban deserving
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amberskyi
Where is the moderators? this is a ban deserving
I can agree with that now that i actually step back and read it.
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notdrunk
Not exactly. Something similarly happened in New York (i.e., the shooter creating the confrontation) and the individual was found not guilty by a jury.
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top...en-s-shooting/
Since the Martin shooting, this story has gotten some spotlight because the shooter is Black and the dead teen is White.
You think this is similar? Maybe if Zimmerman had been the one who got shot.
One more time. Zimmerman was attacking Martin when he got out of his car & chased him down the walkways of the commons. When you chase someone down, especially when you have no authority to do so, you should expect them to fight when you catch them. Even that cute little bunny rabbit will fight to the death when cornered by a predator. Zimmerman was the assailant, & that negates all claims of self defense.
Cervini was attacking Scott. Stepping out your front door to yell at a couple of punks who are breaking into your neighbor's car isn't an assault by any stretch of the imagination. You can't even make the claim that he initiated the confrontation. Charging toward someone in a threatening manner is an assault. That's the literal definition of the word. Scott defended himself against an assailant, who he already knew was a criminal because he'd just caught him in the act. Again: That's the definition of fthe term "self defense". Another thing that's not similar at all is that Scott was arrested & charged with manslaughter. You say the jury acquitted him? Well of course they did. Cervini died of stupidity. His partner who ran away should have been charged with felony murder because the death happened during & because of them committing a crime.
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giovanni_hotel
Zimmerman has at least two dozen prior calls to 911 where he VOLUNTEERS the race of the person he's observing. He racially profiled the kid on is own, who the fuck cares about if he's being made to look 'racist'.
NBC edited the tape, but multiple other news outlets did not. Anyone who has access to youtube has heard the full, unedited exchange between Zimmerman and the 911 dispatcher.
Again you're projecting your opinion onto Zimmerman, which is astounding considering a special prosecutor has apparently not been able to sort that out yet........just like you've done all along....but you matter of factly dismiss the revelation that a major news organization doctored a tape in a case with national implications and where "escalated civil disobedience" is a reality. So what you say.....just find it on YouTube. Why do you think they did that, and what if somebody didn't go to you tube but took the NBC version as fact?
The irony of your position is next week somebody will make a post that some black kid that was arrested under sketchy circumstances and you'll be screaming about a rush to judgement, and you'd be right to do so. Maybe you don't see your inconsistency, but I sure do. It's incredible that people are actually advocating arrest first, then let 'em sort out the facts later. That's all fine and good until you're the one standing face to face with some cop telling your side of the story as he's reaching for the cuffs. And if they do arrest him and the charge is manslaughter, he could make bond, and he'll be out anyway. What it sounds like some of you want is a conviction....before a trial or even an arrest.
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They're tons of classy people on this site
