Got to be Roy Keane then - be dead after 5mins of stoning. Be glad to see him vanish from itv's screensQuote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
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Got to be Roy Keane then - be dead after 5mins of stoning. Be glad to see him vanish from itv's screensQuote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
RIP Kenny
What a shite decision from JW Henry or whatever his name is. Give the bloke one more year
Is replacinG kd with Roberto Martinez going to help ? No
LFC = Disaster at the moment im afraid
The owners are bellends.
You've been really quiet, I guessed why. Txtd you earlier cos everyone was texting me!Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
Stunned.
Maybe he should never have gone back, but hopefully his status will be assured, not just for what he achieved on the pitch, but above all for his simple dignity and humanity after the agony of Hillsborough. The wee man held a whole city together in those weeks, and that must never be forgotten.
His comeback was vital he was the only person of getting everyone behind the team as one,
I wish all the "liverpool fans" who called for Rafas head, and Kennys head, would go support someone else. That is all.
:salad:dancing:horayyyyyyyyyyyyyy Arsenal
One thing that seems to have been forgotten in all the fevered speculation about Kenny's successor (Mourinho, Guardiola, oh yeah?), is that in his first time as Liverpool's boss, Kenny was himself simply a part of that proud and incredibly successful Anfield tradition of managers growing up in the bootroom of the club, people who shared the values of the club and its fans and never forgot their origins.Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
Now everyone looks for instant success and that organic tradition has gone, probably forever. It's retrograde and very unfortunate.
Well, Adriana, I'd never have taken you for a Gooner, my dear!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsadriana
Shankly did not play for Liverpool, he played for Carlisle and Preston North End. If we follow your argument, that makes Steve 'fisticuffs' Gerrard a contender, along with Kevin Keegan, Ian Rush, Mark Lawrenson and Alan Hansen, to name a few. But not John Barnes. Perhaps that is why they are looking for men with managerial ability instead of housewives favourites.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
Im afraid LFC have lost the plot. They better sort themselves out, as their history does not give them a points headstart in the PL.
Im surprised Capello's name hasnt been mentioned....
According to todays papers Fabio is in the frame for the Chelsea job.
Any thoughts/predictions for tomorrow night? Bayern Munich 1 Chelsea 2?
Thats rubbish sorry, none of the named was part of the bootroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
So what is meant by 'bootroom'? I have assumed it referred to players and coaching staff.
With respect, Stavros, that wasn't my argument in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
When Bill Shankly took over as Liverpool manager, he created a culture within the bootroom beneath Anfield, of coaches, trainers and others associated directly with the football side of the club and turned it into a collective where all issues of selection, transfers, tactics and training were hammered out by the people who knew the club from the inside and from the ground up, and shared Shanks's values and visions. It was that unique tradition that produced Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan, Roy Evans and others and which played the major role in ensuring Liverpool's dominance in the 70's and 80's. It also gave the club an unparalleled continuity and stability - they used to go through a whole season, winning trophies galore, with a squad of just fourteen or fifteen, unthinkable now.
My uncle Billy played for the club in the mid-60s and has always spoken in awe of the simple wisdom that the likes of Shanks and Paisley could spread around the dressing room so effectively. Everyone nowadays (rightly) raves about Barcelona's philosophy and their tiki-taka play, but it began at Liverpool under Shankly - one-touch passing in mobile triangles, creating the space and making the ball do the work, and it gave us the finest football, under Shanks, Paisley and during Kenny's first reign, that England has ever seen.
The rot set in when Graeme Sounness followed Kenny, dispensing with the bootroom both physically and philosophically. Wonderful player, piss-poor manager. It's never been replaced and the club, and dare I say it, football as a whole, is poorer for its loss.
All fair points, RobertLouis. I know its the season of ridicule for LFC right now but I have enjoyed their successes as much as I have enjoyed those of United, and also expect to head off to a packed pub this evening to watch Chelsea win, although I don't like pubs. I am not, however, a fan of Dalgleish as a manager, he was an outstanding player, but should never have returned and not just because of the way he walked out the first time. I don't think Souness was a great player, he was made to look good by the men around him, but otherwise I don't know enough about the club to make anything other than superfiicial comments. But it is going to be some time before they return to the top quartile of the Premier League.
Well done Chelsea. Bet Di Matteo doesn't get the job though....
And for all the idiots posting Nazi crap about Bayern (not on HA, it's just pissing me off), did you know that Bayern have a proud history of opposing the Nazis and supporting their own Jewish players and officials even under the worst of times?
Oh, and not a moment's trouble in Munich last night. Well done both sets of fans.
When will the English ever grow up?
Chelsea put in a fierce defensive effort and it almost worked to perfection -interesting that the one major error, was stiker Drogba's foul on Ribery in the penalty area. As good a defensive performance as they put in against Bercelona. Robben, predictable as always, has never been as good as some think he is -or as he thinks he is himself. That said, Cech over the years has been one of the finest goalkeepers I have ever seen, and Drogba managed to score a penalty having missed crucial ones in his career before. I am not a fan but I think overall Chelsea deserved the win. And it means Tottenham won't be playing in the Champions League -does this mean Bale goes to United after all?
Does di Matteo now become Chelsea manager, or will the job go to someone else?
Bale wont go to MUFC. Barca maybe....
Chelsea are (to be honest) a bit shite. Well done for winning the CL, but it wasnt a victory for enthralling footnall was it. Boring as fuck.
Torres is now whinging that he didnt start the game - tosser - what does he expect ? He has tripped over his dick most games since they spent 50 MILLION on him. He scores one goal agaisnt Barca, and throws his toys out of the pram. The cock.
SAFC - Ha'way the lads.
Didn't Torres repay his transfer fee with that one goal against Barcelona? Now Chelsea have won the cup the profits are even bigger, but I think he really wants to go back to Spain. Chelsea performed the way many Italian teams in the past played when they locked-up their defence; from that perspective it was a brilliant performance, but like defensive play in cricket, not exciting to watch.
Now the Euros---anyone expecting a Spain -vs- Germany final?
One to get Sammi frothing.
Moyes for Anfield. Discuss.
Takes cover...... :dancing: :hide-1:
Today's Telegraph errs on the costa del Fabio
That's up there with Caligula's horse as a fit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Football is a lie!
Hello Petal. Thought that might rattle your pram a little. :dancing::hide-1:Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
'arry for LFC i reckon !
hehe
twiffic
fu.
:D xxxxx
Yeah ok :jerkoffQuote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
Mourinho signed up at RM for another 4 years.
Would you have Rafa back ?
Course I would, wonderful man, boss manager, more than happy with that, hence my "football is a lie" Rafa quote :D Was gutted when he was forced out. :(
If he doesnt come home then, AVB if he is mad enough to take the job.
Ally McCoist might decide the Rangers fiasco is as much as he can take, would he be acceptable?
Is Ken Dodd a Liverpool fan? I guess he could reach across the whole of the Kop with his tickling stick, which would at least be tickletastically tatifillarious, unlike the football on the turf.
But what happens now to Torres?
Looking back on your football posts your quite, errr very anti liverpool stavros! for someone who "enjoyed their success" lol :D
Ally's not ready, but his dignity amidst the farce around him does him great credit. And he was the best out-and-out striker Scotland have had since the peerless Denis Law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
As for Liverpool, everyone on their list seems to be turning them down. It isn't surprising - who knows what FSG's next move will be and who would willingly take that risk with their career and reputation? Even Martinez is probably better off with another season or two at Wigan.
And I hear Villas Boas is in the frame. Bloody hell!
Not at all, my remarks are more flippant than angry, I am afraid that is a reflection of the way LFC has been managed in recent years. Can't take them seriously. Telegraph latest is that van Gaal is in the frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
I didnt say angry :D Fair enough......;-)x
I have sympathy with the LFC fans. As a Sunderland fan, pain and misery is the normal order of the day.
Van Gaal would be a good choice. AVB ?? hmmm - he looked like a bit of a nut job at Chelsea.
I am not looking forward to the euros. England shite and Woys motivational skills. Major yawn. I think ill go play rounders instead
Most reports was Van Gaal for this "DOF" bollacks job, not the manager post. Load of shit all these diff roles anyway.
We sold our soul to the devil (thanks moores) and we are still getting fucked from it, are the 2nd set of owners any better than the first lot..?? Well they have not started assett stripping yet but , still no new stadium news. All this talk of "Money they have invested", we have the biggest sponsorship deal we ever had and biggest in the prem. Furthermore from that "£120 million spent" approx £25-30million was all that was not raised through selling our players. Now take into account the MASSIVE wage difference that you will see in next years accounts, all the new "big money signing" players are on a fraction of what the old stars are, plus all the deadwood that was sat on big wages has gone.......vast amount of money saved weekly, not to mention our mechandise is still one of the best sold "brands" in the world (which is they they took us on, obviously) so if we do not get any funds it all goes back to the golden question... where is the money going? Are we due another £37 million ihn surveyors fees like H&G - before a spade even went in the ground... lol
Apart from that they seem to be sat in Boston and do not have a clue what theyre doing Manager wise, online polls suggested 80% was against removing Dalgish, and polls also indicate that 60-70%+ (Varies forum to forum) want Rafa back but wont even be interviewed... playing a risky game imo. They do not have a clue.
Rar.
Rant over. Carry on.
xx
Your rant touches on a lot of the issues which may or may not explain why Spanish football teams appear to be playing better as teams. On one level I think it has something to do with the import of foreign players which has been both a blessing and a curse -in the past the restrictions on foreign players meant that there were a few (Arnold Muhren for example) whereas EU employment law and restraint on trade law etc have opened up opportunities that did not exist in years past. Has this prevented local talent from feeding through into the clubs as a form of natural progression? It is rather like some industries who shut down their R&D facility -why invest money in home-grown research if you can buy it off the shelf? Make or Buy? I don't know because Wayne Rooney, Theo Walcott, Aaron Ramsay and Christian Bale are examples of 'local talent' who could probably move to a foreign club if they wanted to. But why then has LFC bought such poor defenders, when in the past it had laters of talent in defence whose skills were as good as the midfielders and strikers -that complete, total football which cannot work if you don't hire the best players.
If the nurturing of local talent is not what it used to be, have the internal dynamics of the club also changed? There used to be a manager with a tightly knit group of coaches and scouts and they all were part of the fabric which gave clubs identity, purpose, player support and so on -it was this organic football that made Celtic and Liverpool such powerful clubs in the 1960s in particular when Jock Stein's Celtic players were all from Glasgow. Nowadays you have a 'Director of Football', a manager, an assistant manager, a coach for goalies, a coach for defenders but apparently no coach for penalties. It has become atomised inside the club, while the prima donnas like JohnTerry assume they run the dressing room anyway. How long would John Terry have lasted under Bill Shankly I wonder? Joey Barton wouldn't even be cleaning boots (but Shanks might feel he could tame 'the lad' and turn him into a professional, or not). Bobby Moore (whom I once bumped into when I was on an errand for my boss at the time) lived in a semi-detached that looks like the setting for Abigail's Party; Arry Redknapp who also has Ammers istory lives in palatial splendour in Sandbanks. Money has eaten away the soul of football as a working class sport, but I don't begrudge it to young lads whose careers last 10 years if they are lucky.
Ownership reflects globalisation, but it makes demands of teams that cannot be realistically delivered -Chelsea have still cost RA more than he has reaped even with this latest success.
Liverpool have lost the bootroom mentality that was crucial to their former success, they have had owners who lacked the commitment and crucially, did not understand Liverpool as a city in the context of England, and their inability to get a manager like Ferguson or Wenger has cost them. I think they will return to the top fight, but it doesn't look like it yet.
hey you didnt know exactly what the bootroom was the other day :D I will reply to the rest later ;)
I am not really that sure, sometimes I think it means the dressing room, at other times a more genera area with players, coaches, physios, and so on. I don't know everything...!
heheheh :D eugh will reply in full later, on behalf of my mate Rafa la.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros