How many guys here would actually DATE a TS?

To answer the original question:
It'd be just as likely as a dating a genetic female but since I'm not interested in dating at all that chance would still be zero.

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While I think it's unfortunate that there are a lot of men who will spurn a girl after SRS, it seems to me that saying that those men are engaging in a "safe" form of homosexuality is possibly an over-simplification of the issue (with exceptions of course).

It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.
I don't really mean to argue the point that there are a lot of guys who are just after tgirl cock--and those people probably would not actually date a TS with the intent of marrying and loving that person, but I do kind of take exception to the idea that just because someone finds a mixed gender person attractive, does not necessarily make them a closeted homo who doesn't have the balls to live their life out in the open. These sort of cross-gender, intergender, third gender issues have been bubbling around in the collective unconscious forever, even in cultures where homosexuality didn't carry the stigma it does in our modern culture. I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."

my two cents.

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These are two points that basically fit into my situation. Just because I like tgirls doesn't mean that I am afraid to live a gay life with a man. I don't do that because it fuckin disgusts me!

I hate the fact that some tgirl women constantly state how they are women, period. Yet those girls often deride a man for being into tgirls, calling him a closeted homo, and to "just go and live your life with a man you cowardly, dick sucking, faggot!" Why is it so one sided? I like tgirls, period. These girls are free to transition and call themselves women, I'm free to love the type of girl that I want and to not be judged one way or another.

All I date now are tgirls, and maybe one day I will find the right one. Don't know why it has to be so hard, maybe part of it is that girls want to insist that I am really just a homo, and that I want men, and therefor they never really trust their feelings with me.

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Well, part of the problem stems from the fact that there are two particular groups of men who make life difficult for others.

The first group are those men who are interested in transsexuals ONLY because they are "chicks with dicks". They are mostly unconcerned with as TS' desire to transition fully and are mostly concerned with the novelty of having sex with a woman who has a penis. Some of these men are merely fetishists, some may be gay, some may be bisexual...the one thing that remains the same is that they all focus on what's between the legs rather than the whole of the person.

The second group are those men who deride other men for doing "gay things" with transsexuals. These are the men who tell themselves they are 100% straight as long as they avoid particular sex acts with a transsexual and believe those men who do engage in those particular sex acts are simply gay men in hiding. These men have yet to understand that a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.

If you can avoid falling into either of these groups, I think you'll find the woman you are looking for. The most important thing to remember is that you have to love EVERYTHING about her. You have to realize where she wants to go and how you'll be a part of that journey.

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<snip>a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.
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So tell me, oh font of all wisdom, how do we have sex that does not involve consideration of our partners or the context within which we are having sex? Just get pissed out of our minds and shag the first person that walks in (or maybe get shagged by the first person that walks in?)

To suggest that sex is something that happens independently of the partners or the context is a blatant oxymoron, or a deliberate attempt to mislead.

And of course, we do have to remember what you think about transsexual women:-

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No matter how many hormones or cosmetic alterations or surgeries a t-girl takes, 'she' will always,.... be a male.

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Or of your own orientation:-

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You've got a 37 year old bottom guy here

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So in fact your opinion is some what skewed; you are a gay man who is obsessed with cock and who thinks that transwomen are male; forgive me if I suggest that your opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

what determines ur orientation is love not sex. Sex is just a physical stimulant.

This gay vs straight stuff is getting old... no wait, it's ancient already. Your sexual preferences aren't like those 90% of the population would admit to. Doesn't mean you're gay or whatever label you want to attach to it, it just means that you're not afraid to think beyond the obvious patterns.

Enjoy it, don't try to label it.

I would love to have a serious relationship with a TS. To be able to get to know her and share her hopes, dreams and maybe fall in love is my dream and dreams DO cum true :wink:

What is this "TS" that everyone keeps talking about anyway?

Would do, have done and currently am dating a TS.

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<snip>a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.
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So tell me, oh font of all wisdom, how do we have sex that does not involve consideration of our partners or the context within which we are having sex? Just get pissed out of our minds and shag the first person that walks in (or maybe get shagged by the first person that walks in?)

To suggest that sex is something that happens independently of the partners or the context is a blatant oxymoron, or a deliberate attempt to mislead.

And of course, we do have to remember what you think about transsexual women:-

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No matter how many hormones or cosmetic alterations or surgeries a t-girl takes, 'she' will always,.... be a male.

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Or of your own orientation:-

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You've got a 37 year old bottom guy here

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So in fact your opinion is some what skewed; you are a gay man who is obsessed with cock and who thinks that transwomen are male; forgive me if I suggest that your opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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And AGAIN you fail. Let me explain it so even you can understand.

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

And think on this: since we consider m to f transsexuals to be women, when a man has sex with her, the result can only be heterosexual sex...a man and a woman cannot engage homosexual sex.

By the way, if you are going to farm quotes from previous posts I made, either post the entire statement so it can read in context or just don't do it. It doesn't do you any good to be such a coward. Since you conveniently forgot to do so, I'll do it for you this time.

Here is the post where I make my 'statement' about what I think transsexual women are:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/view...r=asc&start=30

Everyone can read and decide for themselves.

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<snip>a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.
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So tell me, oh font of all wisdom, how do we have sex that does not involve consideration of our partners or the context within which we are having sex? Just get pissed out of our minds and shag the first person that walks in (or maybe get shagged by the first person that walks in?)

To suggest that sex is something that happens independently of the partners or the context is a blatant oxymoron, or a deliberate attempt to mislead.

And of course, we do have to remember what you think about transsexual women:-

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Originally Posted by GinX

No matter how many hormones or cosmetic alterations or surgeries a t-girl takes, 'she' will always,.... be a male.

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Or of your own orientation:-

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Originally Posted by GinX

You've got a 37 year old bottom guy here

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So in fact your opinion is some what skewed; you are a gay man who is obsessed with cock and who thinks that transwomen are male; forgive me if I suggest that your opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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And AGAIN you fail. Let me explain it so even you can understand.

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

And think on this: since we consider m to f transsexuals to be women, when a man has sex with her, the result can only be heterosexual sex...a man and a woman cannot engage homosexual sex.

By the way, if you are going to farm quotes from previous posts I made, either post the entire statement so it can read in context or just don't do it. It doesn't do you any good to be such a coward. Since you conveniently forgot to do so, I'll do it for you this time.

Here is the post where I make my 'statement' about what I think transsexual women are:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/view...r=asc&start=30

Everyone can read and decide for themselves.

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kudos! i think u broke it down so simply and briefly that MOST the morons on here will understand, and if they dont well then... they just never will

Have to agree with Ruby and GinX here...

It's not what you do, it's who you do it with that determines you orientation.

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Have to agree with Ruby and GinX here...

It's not what you do, it's who you do it with that determines you orientation.

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Whatever. :wink:

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A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

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How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

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Originally Posted by GinX

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

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How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

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LOL yup. These pilgrims always have another way to tell you a pig ain't a pig.....

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A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

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How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

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How many words can you fit into your narrow definition?

Your ad homs aside, my point is perfectly well made. Orientation is defined by who you want to experience sexual contact with, not the acts involved. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that a sexual act has no inherent "gayness" or "straightness"? Who made you-or anyone for that matter-the final arbiter on a man's manliness?

The real issue here is simple: fear. There are a plethora of men who know that because they have sex with pre-op transsexuals, the majority of the general population would consider them gay, no matter what sex acts are involved. So, in an attempt to avoid this, they divert attention away from themselves by pointing the finger at other men and saying something like "I only top, but THAT guy will bottom...HE'S the gay one, not me." They'll stick with that story as long as they can.

Of course, what these men fail to realize is that this position is ultimately self-defeating. Since a transsexual woman is a WOMAN, when she has sex with a man, it's a man and woman having sex; ergo, the sexual contact is heterosexual. It cannot be homosexual sex because such can only take place between teo people of the same gender. Sorry to tell you, but the old nonsense of "If you top her, you're straight, if you bottom to her, you're gay" just doesn't fly, no matter how badly you may want it to.

I know you'll most likely never change your views and that's fine. Personally, I don't know how else to explain this to you. Believe whatever you like. I have nothing else to say.

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A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

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How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

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This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

lol this age old debate again. It's so sad that people on this site feel the need to try and categorize each other :roll:

As to the actual subject of this topic... Yea there are some TS I would actually date long term. My experience has been that some girls are too diva like, or drama intensive, etc and that just isn't for me (more power to em though if it works for em); however, there are some that are pretty much everything you could want in another person so why not.

I think Ginx posts actually are quite straightforward, I agree its not the act that is important

For example, some straight men like their women putting a dildo up their ass causes is pleasurable and they aren't homosexual. So its true the act of bottoming doesn't necessarily mean gayness and the act of topping doesn't necessarily mean straightness.

please see my thread 1st relationship with ts
cheers Dave

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LOL Straight men don't "top," chum (and they most certainly don't "bottom," either.) Most of them don't even know what the words mean. Straight men just have sex with women.

I never, ever heard a straight man say "Oh, I topped a real babe last night." I never, ever heard a woman say her husband "topped her." Get real.

These are words from the homosexual lexicon and they have no meaning whatsoever--none--in the straight world.

And by the way, there is no such thing as a woman who has any use for a homosexual man, outside of money, or maybe "companionship," by which she means she can introduce you to her boyfriend without him hopping in the sack with you. Straight men don't do that, but there is every chance he will with one of her girlfriends if he thinks he won't get caught. But he won't "top" her either; he'll just fuck her legs off all night and then nail her again in the morning for good measure.

Sorry about that. Carry on camping, straight guys. :wink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_iH1GhM2j8

There you go, a few pointers for you; I understand that's how it's done. You too, Morticia, I don't see your posts, but I just fucking know you're reading this.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Too funny.

That would be every dream come true I could ever imagine Ruby. I see the dating / relationship thing no different just because I like special girls.

It puts me into a weird corner. I'm not flambouyant or out there, no one would ever suspect. I'm a guy, a man among men type.

I do like to bottom though, which puts me "out" with a lot of TS girls. I don't get off on the feeling, it's the connection of giving me to her.

A "wife" would be AWSOME, a commited relationship. Feeling her slide into me skin on skin!!!!!! Shooting her love into me!!!!! Not practical with 99% of the girls on here though, so I suffer. I love normal boy / girl sex where I'm doing the pumping too of course. Very much so.

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That would be every dream come true I could ever imagine Ruby. I see the dating / relationship thing no different just because I like special girls.

It puts me into a weird corner. I'm not flambouyant or out there, no one would ever suspect. I'm a guy, a man among men type.

I do like to bottom though, which puts me "out" with a lot of TS girls. I don't get off on the feeling, it's the connection of giving me to her.

A "wife" would be AWSOME, a commited relationship. Feeling her slide into me skin on skin!!!!!! Shooting her love into me!!!!! Not practical with 99% of the girls on here though, so I suffer. I love normal boy / girl sex where I'm doing the pumping too of course. Very much so.

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Jump right out and shout MARINE CORPS. AAAGGGHHHHH! oh sorry i wish i was a Marine.

I'm retired/ on terminal leave. So I'm untouchable as far as any practical use of the UCMJ goes. So I guess I can take a train of hot TS girls right on the beach if I wanted. LOL...

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And by the way, there is no such thing as a woman who has any use for a homosexual man, outside of money, or maybe "companionship,"

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fag hags

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I'm retired/ on terminal leave. So I'm untouchable as far as any practical use of the UCMJ goes. So I guess I can take a train of hot TS girls right on the beach if I wanted. LOL...

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Semper Fi dude U Signed the Motherfucking Contract (but it's almost done now lol). Good luck.

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A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

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How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

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This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

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You said you were gonna killfile me. It's not nice to lie.

By the way, why are you keeping a picture of me? I'm not interested in any man...not even you, Mac.

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A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

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How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

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This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

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You said you were gonna killfile me. It's not nice to lie.

By the way, why are you keeping a picture of me? I'm not interested in any man...not even you, Mac.

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He might only see your response if it happens to get incorporated into someone else's response. As far as not being interested in any man, that seems to conflict with what you've indicated previously, such as... "if you prefer both.... ...then it doubles your chances for a date on Friday night :D ".

And how do you classify yourself given your ad looking for CD/TV girls to top you...? They are not women, nor transsexuals, but men in skirts, right? So it is not exactly true to say you're not interested in any man.

I am not faulting you for being gay, just highlighting your ostensibly cognitive dissonant positions.

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He might only see your response if it happens to get incorporated into someone else's response..

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This is exactly correct, as you can see. All that's left of Morticia's post is the little space between 2 pink lines above your post. But Morticia just can't help reading my posts..... I know this when I see that little blank space :lol: :lol: :lol: It kills me.

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A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

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How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

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This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

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You said you were gonna killfile me. It's not nice to lie.

By the way, why are you keeping a picture of me? I'm not interested in any man...not even you, Mac.

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He might only see your response if it happens to get incorporated into someone else's response. As far as not being interested in any man, that seems to conflict with what you've indicated previously, such as... "if you prefer both.... ...then it doubles your chances for a date on Friday night :D ".

And how do you classify yourself given your ad looking for CD/TV girls to top you...? They are not women, nor transsexuals, but men in skirts, right? So it is not exactly true to say you're not interested in any man.

I am not faulting you for being gay, just highlighting your ostensibly cognitive dissonant positions.

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If a CD/TV is working towards transitioning, I'm pretty sure she'd be offended if you called her a "guy in a skirt". However, if that's how you want to define them, I leave you to it.

I'm not faulting you, either, I'm simply disregarding your illogical position that your opinion and perception are more accurate or correct than someone else's, said opinion and perception being defined by your own ostensibly narrow views.

It is what it is. I think we've both said pretty much all that we can say on the subject...at least I have. You're not going to change your mind and I'm not going to change mine. I admit that I was continuing because I was incensed that you-and Mac-decided to make it personal. Between the two of you I've been insulted, slandered, and quoted out of context..and of course, that pissed me off. However, there's little point in continuing the discourse.

Post what you like, say what you like, claim what you like, believe whatever you need to believe. Me...I'm just gonna let this go and move on. Maybe you will too.

Never have. But if the opportunity ever came up, I could see myself probably doing so. Assuming the two of us clicked of course.

I'd like to find one to "settle down" with.....Not just date ;)

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Never have. But if the opportunity ever came up, I could see myself probably doing so. Assuming the two of us clicked of course.

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Same Here

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im gonna take my future gf to a amusement park for our first date n make out on the rides n hold hands n eat cotton candy :P

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i think shes gonna really enjoy that 8)

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yea i think both me and her will very much

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Now if only other men were man enought to do a simple thing like that!
Thats what we want, to be seen and treated as normal woman.
Last year a member of this site took me to the zoo. As simple and as trivial as it may have seemed to some, it was a great date to me, wel walked around holding hands and playing with animals. The simple things in life sometimes make the best memories. And it keeps hope alive that one day we may meet another normal guy man enough to see us a woman instead of tranny's or shemales.

I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.

I would date ts got to places they dont usually be asked to go or meet like where Vanessa went zoos meseums movies vacations etc etc where nothing is asked from thye ladies other thannormal conversation

Why not?

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I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.

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Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

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I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.

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Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

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Wow! Just when you thought you heard it all........what a joke! Were you trying to prove his point or was that just an accident?!?!?!?!
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I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.

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Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

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Wow! Just when you thought you heard it all........what a joke! Were you trying to prove his point or was that just an accident?!?!?!?!
:roll:

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Sympathy is not going to help him get laid. He can wallow in self-pity or he can take action to improve his situation.

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I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.

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Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

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Wow! Just when you thought you heard it all........what a joke! Were you trying to prove his point or was that just an accident?!?!?!?!
:roll:

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Sympathy is not going to help him get laid. He can wallow in self-pity or he can take action to improve his situation.

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HA! HA! HA! Naturally. :claps