IMUS IMUS IMUS.........................

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It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

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Obama or Colin Powell really haven't done anything to gain support from black america because their political positions do nothing but advance themselves and breaking the color nowadays isn't quite as powerful as it used to be (jackie robinson)i doubt any African americans would consider sharpton and jackson as any kind of leader,now if you wanted to talk about earned respect and leadership material look at deceased dr. martin luther king he earned much respect from both white and black people because he believed everyone should get along and be looked at as equals to progress as a nation.

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True on MLK but sadly he isnt around.
If what you imply about Powell or Obama is correct then thats too bad as both men have proven that regardless of skin color they have suceeded in their fields of expertise and anyone who denies their credentials as intelligent leader candidates are biased.

White america would listen much closer to them then the Rev or Al.

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The main reason Powell & Obama made so much of them self is because they didn't use there race as a tool and just worked hard as good men, not black men or white men, just men

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You base that on what your personally freindship with any of those two people from your past ignorant post i doubt you even care to keep up what's going on in the african american community from your posts here.Seems like your just spewing non-sense too try and seem deep but i think the smart people on here see what your all about.I beleive people like dj asia wants true discussion where as you just spit out more prejudice.

This wanker's opinion-

Firing Imus = either pandering to critics or a convenient excuse to offload the guy.

What he said = unnecessary, not funny, hurtful...and a Hallmark card compared to your average rapper.

Rappers = capable of jazz/bebop like rhythmic invention, but most choose to exist lyrically in a place that helps no one but their own careers. Most will be mere footnotes in musical history. (Like most other pop musicians, to be sure.) I'd rather listen to Innervisions, Kaya, Kind of Blue or Interstellar Space.

Generalizations about any race = lazy thinking.

Imus: Based on the 45 minutes in my entire life that I've listened to him = neither entertaining nor relevant. If the man's lived this long and still thinks this way, I say his charity money is dirty. He made his bed, let him lie in it. Somehow I doubt he's going to miss a meal.

Hypocrisy: It continues to thrive everywhere.

Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

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Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

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That coming from a moronic idiot like you is laughable,funny how the finely copy and pasted quote applies to all the igorant stereotypical shit you have been spewing in this thread,who the hell jugdes people on what someone else says i'll tell you an ignorant fool with the intelligence of a baboon.

Honestly do you think anyone who has seen your posts takes you serious.

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You base that on what your personally freindship with any of those two people from your past ignorant post i doubt you even care to keep up what's going on in the african american community from your posts here.Seems like your just spewing non-sense too try and seem deep but i think the smart people on here see what your all about.I beleive people like dj asia wants true discussion where as you just spit out more prejudice.

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Have you ever considered actually finishing your HS education, slingblade?

It would be a start, anyway...maybe you and hondarobot could carpool, 'tardboy...after all, you two are twin morons of different mothers, aren't you?

Not to worry, though.... there's always the short bus route if the whole carpool thing doesn't work out for dumb and dumber...

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Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

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That coming from a moronic idiot like you is laughable,funny how the finely copy and pasted quote applies to all the igorant stereotypical shit you have been spewing in this thread,who the hell jugdes people on what someone else says i'll tell you an ignorant fool with the intelligence of a baboon.

Honestly do you think anyone who has seen your posts takes you serious.

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You base that on what your personally freindship with any of those two people from your past ignorant post i doubt you even care to keep up what's going on in the african american community from your posts here.Seems like your just spewing non-sense too try and seem deep but i think the smart people on here see what your all about.I beleive people like dj asia wants true discussion where as you just spit out more prejudice.

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were you drunk when you wrote this? It makes no sense, did you get out of the second grade? You are a moron, I was saying these 2 men, no mater what color they are,are two good men, GOOD MEN get it? unlike you, you are an ignorant fucking moron, and thats being kind. The more I see your post the more I think you have no clue of anything, and I am not exaggerating.

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Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

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That coming from a moronic idiot like you is laughable,funny how the finely copy and pasted quote applies to all the igorant stereotypical shit you have been spewing in this thread,who the hell jugdes people on what someone else says i'll tell you an ignorant fool with the intelligence of a baboon.

Honestly do you think anyone who has seen your posts takes you serious.

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Case closed.

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

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I really like this lady!

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Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view.

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gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

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Originally Posted by Unisex

Here's the deal about the whole Imus situation after further looking into it.

1)Imus being being White and of the selective market had an upper hand at his choice of words.

2)He had already planned out what he's going to say regardless of the consequence.

3) Him out of all people (being white) should have known the backlash would've caused this.

4)He didn't just say it, but who he directed at is/was the major issue. Why did he? Because he thought being a Jock and also being White would lend himself some leverage. But, it backfired on him.

He probably in all honesty didn't know what he was talking about slang wise. But, he went ahead with it. And now all the white people supporting his "Freedom of speech" is deeming his suspension and firing as wrongful.

Then they go off stating Rappers or the Rap industry is to blame. When in fact, The term "Nappy headed" is from almost what? 200 years old during the slavery days? "Ho" being derived up the industry of sex and prostitution from what? Before the Great Depression? That's like almost 75+ years back? The Rap industry is what? 29 years old? Hip hop is only 21 years into it as a subsidy of Rap. So, why keep blaming rappers for something this grown man already did? Rappers aren't calling any females from the Rutgers team "Nappy headed ho's", Imus did. Instead of just admitting Imus fucked up by getting caught by Negro leaders. They coin Al, Jess, and the rap industry as anything negative.

Al and Jess, and NAACP jobs are to either Mediate or exploit or do both. They got a 2 for 1 deal.


White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.

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People can say freedom of speech is what cause his firing but it was about money most of his sponsers pulled thus msnbc would lose money so they fired his ass.Many who use his firing as a vehicle for freedom of speech needs to come back to reality,they fired that moron because of money.Sponsers didn't want to associate their product with a racist bigot.

I'll agree those people who feel the same way as him shoudn't try to hide their views because it would political correct on here just come out and say how you feel.

This community is so together when it comes to transgender issues but when it comes down to racial issues either they don't care or they feel the same way as the offenders.

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who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

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I really like this lady!

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Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view.

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gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

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I didn't call you a racist nor did i imply that you were one and i agreee with you rap music is bad so please don't give me that you guys deserve that cause you spew it yourself line,ask yourself if he spwed his garbage towards the transgendered would you not give a "flying fuck" then.I'm sure you voiced your opinion in the micheal savage thread correct?

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Originally Posted by Legend

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Originally Posted by Unisex

Here's the deal about the whole Imus situation after further looking into it.

1)Imus being being White and of the selective market had an upper hand at his choice of words.

2)He had already planned out what he's going to say regardless of the consequence.

3) Him out of all people (being white) should have known the backlash would've caused this.

4)He didn't just say it, but who he directed at is/was the major issue. Why did he? Because he thought being a Jock and also being White would lend himself some leverage. But, it backfired on him.

He probably in all honesty didn't know what he was talking about slang wise. But, he went ahead with it. And now all the white people supporting his "Freedom of speech" is deeming his suspension and firing as wrongful.

Then they go off stating Rappers or the Rap industry is to blame. When in fact, The term "Nappy headed" is from almost what? 200 years old during the slavery days? "Ho" being derived up the industry of sex and prostitution from what? Before the Great Depression? That's like almost 75+ years back? The Rap industry is what? 29 years old? Hip hop is only 21 years into it as a subsidy of Rap. So, why keep blaming rappers for something this grown man already did? Rappers aren't calling any females from the Rutgers team "Nappy headed ho's", Imus did. Instead of just admitting Imus fucked up by getting caught by Negro leaders. They coin Al, Jess, and the rap industry as anything negative.

Al and Jess, and NAACP jobs are to either Mediate or exploit or do both. They got a 2 for 1 deal.


White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.

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People can say freedom of speech is what cause his firing but it was about money most of his sponsers pulled thus msnbc would lose money so they fired his ass.Many who use his firing as a vehicle for freedom of speech needs to come back to reality,they fired that moron because of money.Sponsers didn't want to associate their product with a racist bigot.

I'll agree those people who feel the same way as him shoudn't try to hide their views to be political correct on here behind bullshit theories just come out and say how you feel.

This community is so together when it comes to transgender issues but when it comes down to racial issues either they don't care or they feel the same way as the offenders.

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Legend, you are stupid.

Legend, you are also ignorant.

Legend, you remain irrelevant, as always....

Good input. I’m curious as to a few points:

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He had already planned out what he's going to say regardless of the consequence.

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Is this conjecture, or do you have some sort of supporting evidence (links, etc.) that you can provide to back up your assertion? If this is indeed the case, I would find it interesting as it may very well speak to his intent and differs from at least part of my current understanding.

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He probably in all honesty didn't know what he was talking about slang wise.

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LOL…. No doubt. Frankly, I was stunned the old fossil had ever heard the term, That he could, and would, incorporate it into a sentence was even more of a surprise.

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Originally Posted by Unisex

Then they go off stating Rappers or the Rap industry is to blame.

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Most of the mention I have heard of the rap industry in relation to this issue has been to use it as an example of the double standard being applied by Jackson and Sharpton. Yes, they speak out against its lyrics, but, no, they don’t pursue the issue with one-twentieth the vigor they pursue an irrelevant old fossil who ultimately means nothing to anyone.

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Originally Posted by Unisex

White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias. .

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This is the part I am most intrigued by. Don’t be passive-aggressive in making such claims. In other words, if you aren’t willing to actually back up such a claim, don’t bother making it. If you are willing to back it up, I at least am ready to listen. Specifically, who in this thread has used it as a vehicle to express racism towards minorities? How have they done so? Given that I’ve only read about half of the posts in this thread, I’m curious to see this from your perspective.

-Quinn

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who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

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I really like this lady!

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Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view.

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gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

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I didn't call you a racist nor did i imply that you were one and i agreee with you rap music is bad so please don't give me that you guys deserve that cause you spew it yourself line,ask yourself if he spwed his garbage towards the transgendered would you not give a "flying fuck" then.I'm sure you voiced your opinion in the micheal savage thread correct?

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im sorry if i took it the wrong way but isnt that really the point i am trying to make with you lol im thinkin you took it the wrong way when imus spewed his toxic mouth.as for trash talkin us trans people i still wouldnt give a flying fuck cause i dont know the man sorry thats just the way i am,living fulltime and raising kids 24/7 is what matters not what others think of me or anyone else it goes in one ear and out the other.the truth is i love black men and black woman there so down to earth and very funny plus they usually have a great dick lol yayayaya the secrets out lol anyways i am sorry if my opinion offended you in any way it wasnt meant to, just wanted to say really in the grand sceme of things it shouldnt really matter what a shock jock says

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White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.

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you have got to be fucking kidding me...

and legend, you have never acknowledged any of my points or answered any of my questions...

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who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

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I really like this lady!

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Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view.

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gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

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I didn't call you a racist nor did i imply that you were one and i agreee with you rap music is bad so please don't give me that you guys deserve that cause you spew it yourself line,ask yourself if he spwed his garbage towards the transgendered would you not give a "flying fuck" then.I'm sure you voiced your opinion in the micheal savage thread correct?

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im sorry if i took it the wrong way but isnt that really the point i am trying to make with you lol im thinkin you took it the wrong way when imus spewed his toxic mouth.as for trash talkin us trans people i still wouldnt give a flying fuck cause i dont know the man sorry thats just the way i am,living fulltime and raising kids 24/7 is what matters not what others think of me or anyone else it goes in one ear and out the other.the truth is i love black men and black woman there so down to earth and very funny plus they usually have a great dick lol yayayaya the secrets out lol anyways i am sorry if my opinion offended you in any way it wasnt meant to, just wanted to say really in the grand sceme of things it shouldnt really matter what a shock jock says

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i bet it has spelling and diction errors in it

http://www.devilducky.com/media/60354/

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White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.

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you have got to be fucking kidding me...

and legend, you have never acknowledged any of my points or answered any of my questions...

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Baited and hooked.

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does this mean you are trying to say i am racist?

Dont sweat it. Black people think everyone is a racist if we disagree on a topic. :lol:

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lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

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This website is THE hangout for the closeted republican homosexual.
Dont be shocked.
The more taboo a fantasy or fetish is the more republicans you see there.
Thats why all these right wingers want there back blown out.
Peace.

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Dont sweat it. Black people think everyone is a racist if we disagree on a topic. :lol:

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i would just like to see his reasoning...

Reasoning, you want reasoning?? You racist! How dare you disagree with me and make good sense at the same time!! Im calling the revs!!! :lol:

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Reasoning, you want reasoning?? You racist! How dare you disagree with me and make good sense at the same time!! Im calling the revs!!! :lol:

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Originally Posted by THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY

Ok- so I have to clarify a few things...
and I ask that you all read and take these things into account, with an open mind void of fear and any personal anger/feelings...(though this might be virtually impossible to do- it's not the easiest topic to talk about... )
Racism and racist ideologies involve one group having the POWER to carry out systematic discrimination through the major institutions of society, By this definition only white people can be racist in our society because HONESTLY, only white people as a group have the power of true control throughout the major institutions of our society. ( To those disbelievers reading this...I can definitely supply facts supporting my statement) Rappers and singers who spew racial epithets and slurs against one another through music or everyday interactions are simply products of a system/way of thinking that will forever run itself; Racist ideas no longer require planning or initiative by a person or a group as they have already been instituted into everyones thoughts and ideas and may be forever perpetuated by all of us. This is... unless groups in power who control the media, government, etc. will help stop this thinking ALONG WITH those who have fallen victim to it. (which would be everyone other than white people...)
Don Imus is but a scapegoat...he is not really even the true villain here. (Though what he said was for lack of better words- EXTREMELY FUCKED UP!!) Like Michael Richards, Imus' remarks will cause controversy for a few weeks and probably die down after a while... diverting attention from the fact that racist ideas have and continue to infiltrate just about every aspect of this society... television, websites(LOL), print and film, etc, etc.
Don't react immediately. Think about all that I have said...
and open your eyes.

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One of the problems here in this thread and more importantly in AmeriKKKa is clearly stated in the 2nd paragraph of this sentence.


"Racism and racist ideologies involve one group having the POWER to carry out systematic discrimination through the major institutions of society, By this definition only white people can be racist in our society because HONESTLY, only white people as a group have the power of true control throughout the major institutions of our society. "

First she clearly states that "white people have true control"...

Thats a racist stereotyping remark,and poster doesnt even get it.It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent" While both statements might have some basis in fact,dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?

I might have black genes in my blood but I look like your standard Stone Cold clone,yet may I ask,by this rationale...where is my power...im white so surely i must wield power over the blacks somehow...dont I?Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?

And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...

I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.Racism is hate pure and simple and hate exists in all colors genders,religions, and socio-economic classes...and thats a fact.

When people who use the term "The Man" stop seeing things in terms of color and start seeing it for what it really is...Power,Influence,Cash then perhaps people can focus on the real issues.Cuz frankly "The Man" hasnt done shit for any folks I know in avery long time...regardless of color.

Whatcha think of them apples.

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lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

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This website is THE hangout for the closeted republican homosexual.
Dont be shocked.
The more taboo a fantasy or fetish is the more republicans you see there.
Thats why all these right wingers want there back blown out.
Peace.

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Ted Haggard could be lurking at this very moment.

I've caught up on the thread since last night. The "Imus incident" is the talk of boards of all interests. This isn't a race issue, but it's become one. And it is accelerating. It's a censorship issue. There is no FCC violation in this case nor would the government (not meaning elected officials or those running for office) weigh in on it, yet. But the tone of the nation could change that soon through the all too willing legislature.

If they do we loose our identity. We are no longer the land of the free. We are the land of the politically correct. A land that requires all their kids to wear helmets till the age of 18. A land where a discouraging word is never heard. A soon to be land of enuchs and lovely odors.

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

Essentially, you will see all the conservatives now focusing on the rappers, and guess who will be joining them, Sharpton and Jackson. Why? To calm the race war they set in motion and to handle something which they always believed is a problem but never had the imputus to do anything about it.

From there, it goes on and on as an action generates a reaction. And broadcasters, entertainers, tv and movie personalities cower in their bunkers and spew forth ass kissing bather or say fuck it and get their heads chopped off when they speak their mind.

By the way, Patrice also pointed out he listened to the Imus tape over and over and clearly heard an "oh oh" as they were fading out in the break music. Indicating that Imus was ad-libbing and immediately knew he fucked up.

You ever see the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when the screechers are out on the street screeching and pointing. This is what we're becoming.

Do not censor talk! Not the guys on the right, the guys on the left, the shock jocks, the comedians, or the rappers. If you don't like the talk get up off your fat ass and change the channel. Don't ask the government, or the media to do it for you. You will be sorry if you do. Our Children will grow up with ipods in their ears and helmets on their heads and only watch and play video games....wait a minute, we're already there!

We have no more nightly news with "journalists" the nightly news has become another version of Insider Edition. Our national media is putting "The Enquirer, Star Magazine etc" out of business because they've sunk to their level.

Enough pontificating!

Legend, your like a yellow stained jock strap hanging on a clothes line blowing in the wind on the praire with a tag that says "Small-Medium"!

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First she clearly states that "white people have true control"...

Thats a racist stereotyping remark,and poster doesnt even get it.

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Actually, I do get EXACTLY what I had said... otherwise I would not have said it.
For the sake of space... I had only PARTIALLY identified racism....which is a FACTUAL thing prevelant IN THE WORLD.
Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred and discrimination. Racism is an institution- a structure, system,policy or procedure in the good ole' U.S. which promotes ,reproduces, and perpetuates advantages for white people and the oppression of people of color.
Racism can be expressed in 3 ways: Culturally, (eg- thin, blonde white women are the basis for our society's standard of beauty) Institutionally,(eg- Televisions' underrepresentations /misrepresentations of people of color- BET (which ironically is a white owned corporation) and other channels which air "ethnic television" are ,few ,far inbetween , and are often inaccurate with their depictions of people of color.... no one can escape "white" culture or the depiction of white people on television, film, etc... because society is saturated with these depictions) and Personally (eg calling a person a racist name, assuming white people are inherently better, or making racist assumptions, like saying a person of color is "well spoken"... as if that is a rarity)
Many feel that racism is simply the third expression (personal) and overlook the other two aspects. Personal expression of racism is just a tip of the iceberg- just because someone doesn't "say" it doesn't mean they haven't fallen victim to it culturally and institutionally.

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It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent"

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This statement would actually be a prejudiced statement, based not upon fact... but simply upon ideologies that are created from what system?...you got it! ...Racism

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While both statements might have some basis in fact,

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As I had mentioned previously, the statement I said is factual, while your statement "blacks are violent" is prejudiced

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dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?

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No, no my dear.... your common misconception that the "financial elite" have true power in this country is what is called "The Bootstrap myth". The idea that "money is the only true power" and "it's a free country, so anyone who works hard can make it in America" Believing that race does not matter in a racist world is protecting privilege for people whom racism benefits (knowingly or unknowingly)
Race itself is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT... in other words, there is no such thing as race from a scientific or biological point of view.
The term "white" was constructed to unite certain European groups living in the U.S. who were fighting each other and at the same time were a numerical minority in comparison to the numbers of African slaves, Native peoples and other people of color in the country.

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Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?

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:lol: :lol: I love your mocking sarcasm on such a topic... escaping the seriousness of this is kind of typical, actually....and quite common when one realizes they identify with a group that oppresses others.
..."to be white in America is not to have to think about it" - Robert Terry

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And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...

I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.

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What claim? that people of color can't be racist? THAT'S A FACT... NOT A "CLAIM"... Racism can be INTERNALIZED by folks of color ... but because we have not CREATED the system of Racism, we can therefore not be "racists"

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When people who use the term "The Man"

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Why are YOU bring up the term "the man" ?
What relevance does the use of this term have in regards to what I wrote? Sugar... NOWHERE in my post did you see me write the term "The Man"

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Whatcha think of them apples.

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Ummm- I guess? :roll: I have supplied you with a breakdown of actual facts. And as I stated before, I realize that there is discomfort in realizing the truth, as no one wants to think of themselves as causing another pain ( Assuming best intentions) however, dismissing facts and eluding the truth does nothing for the fact that racism exists. It simply helps it roll right along.
So... yeah... I guess that means I don't EVEN SEE your apples, hun.

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Originally Posted by DJ_Asia

First she clearly states that "white people have true control"...

Thats a racist stereotyping remark,and poster doesnt even get it.

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Actually, I do get EXACTLY what I had said... otherwise I would not have said it.
For the sake of space... I had only PARTIALLY identified racism....which is a FACTUAL thing prevelant IN THE WORLD.
Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred and discrimination. Racism is an institution- a structure, system,policy or procedure in the good ole' U.S. which promotes ,reproduces, and perpetuates advantages for white people and the oppression of people of color.
Racism can be expressed in 3 ways: Culturally, (eg- thin, blonde white women are the basis for our society's standard of beauty) Institutionally,(eg- Televisions' underrepresentations /misrepresentations of people of color- BET (which ironically is a white owned corporation) and other channels which air "ethnic television" are ,few ,far inbetween , and are often inaccurate with their depictions of people of color.... no one can escape "white" culture or the depiction of white people on television, film, etc... because society is saturated with these depictions) and Personally (eg calling a person a racist name, assuming white people are inherently better, or making racist assumptions, like saying a person of color is "well spoken"... as if that is a rarity)
Many feel that racism is simply the third expression (personal) and overlook the other two aspects. Personal expression of racism is just a tip of the iceberg- just because someone doesn't "say" it doesn't mean they haven't fallen victim to it culturally and institutionally.

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It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent"

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This statement would actually be a prejudiced statement, based not upon fact... but simply upon ideologies that are created from what system?...you got it! ...Racism

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While both statements might have some basis in fact,

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As I had mentioned previously, the statement I said is factual, while your statement "blacks are violent" is prejudiced

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dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?

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No, no my dear.... your common misconception that the "financial elite" have true power in this country is what is called "The Bootstrap myth". The idea that "money is the only true power" and "it's a free country, so anyone who works hard can make it in America" Believing that race does not matter in a racist world is protecting privilege for people whom racism benefits (knowingly or unknowingly)
Race itself is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT... in other words, there is no such thing as race from a scientific or biological point of view.
The term "white" was constructed to unite certain European groups living in the U.S. who were fighting each other and at the same time were a numerical minority in comparison to the numbers of African slaves, Native peoples and other people of color in the country.

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Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?

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:lol: :lol: I love your mocking sarcasm on such a topic... escaping the seriousness of this is kind of typical, actually....and quite common when one realizes they identify with a group that oppresses others.
..."to be white in America is not to have to think about it" - Robert Terry

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And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...

I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.

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What claim? that people of color can't be racist? THAT'S A FACT... NOT A "CLAIM"... Racism can be INTERNALIZED by folks of color ... but because we have not CREATED the system of Racism, we can therefore not be "racists"

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When people who use the term "The Man"

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Why are YOU bring up the term "the man" ?
What relevance does the use of this term have in regards to what I wrote? Sugar... NOWHERE in my post did you see me write the term "The Man"

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Whatcha think of them apples.

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Ummm- I guess? :roll: I have supplied you with a breakdown of actual facts. And as I stated before, I realize that there is discomfort in realizing the truth, as no one wants to think of themselves as causing another pain ( Assuming best intentions) however, dismissing facts and eluding the truth does nothing for the fact that racism exists. It simply helps it roll right along.
So... yeah... I guess that means I don't EVEN SEE your apples, hun.

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Youre response was well thought out and for that u are applauded,however you seem to be more concerned with semantics and labels then you are with dealing with the whole ball of wax.Regardless of how you prefer to label anti social behaviour and language based upon skin color it exists both ways and its not just a one way street.

As far as the term "The Man" it has been raised a couple times in this thread and while you did not personally use it,it is a term I hear often.Personally I'd like to meet "the Man" perhaps dine with him and find out how I can get on his good side too.

If you dont see my perspective then thats unfortunate and is a microcosm as to why the pronlem in america exists to begin with.

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And I'll say nigga or nigger or whatever whenever the fuck I want. It's about context. If you think that makes me a racist, you're the clueless one.

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Yeah O.K. I'm sure those times will be behind the safety of your computer or around your friends. Try this out for size. When you have the urge to say the "N word", go visit the local housing projects on the other side of town and say whenever, whatever the fuck you want. Then when I read about the the poor white guy, that got savagely assaulted or shot by some black thugs (classic media depiction), I'll really know the half.

Everyone's a tough guy sitting behind the computer!

* =^.^=

I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and we've come to the conclusion a long time ago, that the rift between blacks and whites, that really lies at the heart of this country's foundation, wealth and power, will also cause it's internal erosion. The animous is becoming increasingly greater. The internet has become means for people to really vent visceral emotions, that they can't articulate at work, school or other social settings. I go on Youtube frequently and there was this popular 5 second click of this little black girl saying "You're a Noob!" It actually was on the homepage for a while. I guess I was curious one day and viewed it, fine. Then I started reading the comments and there were pages upon pages of racist comments about this little girl, just for saying "You're a Noob". So, the bottled up aggression and hostility is very evident on both sides. However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were even"! Many of the things whites dislike about blacks eminate from feelings black self-hatred and brainwashing learned thru the centuries of oppression. It's America's greatest psychological experiment. On this very site, it's not uncommon for a HA member to make disparaging comments about black TS's, then get angry when someone calls them to the carpet about it. Furthermore, after years of hearing such comments and slurs, the internalization process is set. Singer Mary J Blige talks in detail about how her "bad attitude", drug and alcohol abuse and other dysfunctional behaviors, stemmed from feelings of self hatred. It's common in Black families or even Latin families to tear down children for having a darker complexion, courser hair texture and such. No wonder why! Just read some of the shit on this very website. People take clues from larger society and it infects/affects the way they raise their children. Many young white girls have low self-esteem and eating disorders because of their bodyweight. It's not uncommon for some white parent(s) or siblings to be complicit in their feelings of loathing, by making harsh comments sending them over the edge (anorexia, bulimia or suicide). So, for white people to deflect criticism from some bigot like Imus, by castigating blacks for using the "N word" is the epitome of ignorance and arrogance. It reminds me of abusive, unsupportive parents calling their children "good for nothing" or you'll be just like your no good father" their whole lives, then say "I told you" when they end up as a teenage parent or incarcerated.

I haven't read all 30 plus pages, but the back and forth is just evidence of what I just stated. This society is inherently racist. Everytime, a white person puts their foot in their mouth, the so-called liberal media finds a way to shape the discussion into what blacks are doing wrong. Michael Richards (Kramer) calls a heckler a ni@@er 10+ times at a comedy show, then it turns into rappers using the "N word" and blacks being supposedly hypocritical. Unless, you really understand the complexities of internalized racism, you won't understand why a marginalized group embraces the language of their oppresor. It's almost like a "Stockholm Syndrome" of sorts. I hear women (including white women) jokingly call each other bitch or ho all the time in NYC. Matter of fact, they proudly wear those little T-shirts with sayings like "Slut" or "Bitch and Proud". However, I guarantee if this was a predominitely white basketball team and Don Imus called the team, "a bunch of dikes and manly looking bitches" and then prominent women's groups called for his firing and put the pressure on his national advertisers, you wouldn't see cable news shows (mainly Fox) dragging the women's groups thru the mud as instigators and being the reason behind gender discord in American culture. Nor would they dig up speeches some white feminist made in college 20-30 years ago, where she made a sweeping slur about men and use that as a means covertly defend Imus or label her as a hypocritical "man hater". These luxuries are afforded whites, when they stand up against injustice, yet blacks are always labeled complainers or hypocrites. I remember one jackass white conservative commentator saying if blacks are so upset that cops are allegedly brutalizing and killing black men, then why don't they stop black on black violence in their own community. I mean WTF kind of rationale is that! If it was that friggin easy, then why don't local, state and federal lawmakers do the same thing for the entire country. However, this man's rhetoric is endemic of what I'm seeing on the news recently. Yet, with Michael Richards and to a larger degree Imus, this is exactly how the debate is being framed against Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Everytime they stand up against racist language or police brutality, someone brings up Tawana Brawley or Jesse's "Hymietown" comments. Sharpton and Jesse paid their penants for their deeds and comments in the 1980's and still do. Why should Imus be different and should Al or Jesse be political eunichs, because of past transgressions. Sharpton has caught hell from the NYC media and in spite of attempts to rehabilate his image, he will always be maligned as the "racial boogeyman". His Co-D of sorts, Alton Maddox was disbarred from practicing law and has been for almost 2 decades, in spite of numerous appeals. So this B.S about there being a racial double standard, slanted against whites, is delusional nonsense.

I have one suggestion and it's a modification of something Sharpton said. For all you people that hate Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson so much, what are you doing when acts of racism and sexism become evident. Racism in the white community will only be solved or at least decreased, when whites stop accepting these transgressions as "nothing important" or using the actions of some blacks, as a reason to justify racism. I've heard numerous whites justify the NYPD shooting of Sean Bell, as being the black communities fault because of the influx of crime. Once again, WTF! Most of the time the Al & Jesse haters, do nothing but justify or make tepid denounciations, then wonder why these men always have to step up. Some people act as though, the police dept should never be questioned by the black community, no matter how many innocent blacks are beaten, shot or killed. Furthermore, they act as though racist language should just fly over our heads. These B.S defenses of Imus and Michael Richards, by mentioning Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock's racially tinged humor are disingenious. Those two cats have more white fans, than black. Another thing, they give black folks just as much grief in their comedy as whites.

I'll end my tirade by saying this, if somebody can produce a tape of Don Imus calling innocent, young white women "Stringy haired sluts" or something similar, then I'll rescind everything I said.

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I've caught up on the thread since last night. The "Imus incident" is the talk of boards of all interests. This isn't a race issue, but it's become one. And it is accelerating. It's a censorship issue. There is no FCC violation in this case nor would the government (not meaning elected officials or those running for office) weigh in on it, yet. But the tone of the nation could change that soon through the all too willing legislature.

If they do we loose our identity. We are no longer the land of the free. We are the land of the politically correct. A land that requires all their kids to wear helmets till the age of 18. A land where a discouraging word is never heard. A soon to be land of enuchs and lovely odors.

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

Essentially, you will see all the conservatives now focusing on the rappers, and guess who will be joining them, Sharpton and Jackson. Why? To calm the race war they set in motion and to handle something which they always believed is a problem but never had the imputus to do anything about it.

From there, it goes on and on as an action generates a reaction. And broadcasters, entertainers, tv and movie personalities cower in their bunkers and spew forth ass kissing bather or say fuck it and get their heads chopped off when they speak their mind.

By the way, Patrice also pointed out he listened to the Imus tape over and over and clearly heard an "oh oh" as they were fading out in the break music. Indicating that Imus was ad-libbing and immediately knew he fucked up.

You ever see the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when the screechers are out on the street screeching and pointing. This is what we're becoming.

Do not censor talk! Not the guys on the right, the guys on the left, the shock jocks, the comedians, or the rappers. If you don't like the talk get up off your fat ass and change the channel. Don't ask the government, or the media to do it for you. You will be sorry if you do. Our Children will grow up with ipods in their ears and helmets on their heads and only watch and play video games....wait a minute, we're already there!

We have no more nightly news with "journalists" the nightly news has become another version of Insider Edition. Our national media is putting "The Enquirer, Star Magazine etc" out of business because they've sunk to their level.

Enough pontificating!

Legend, your like a yellow stained jock strap hanging on a clothes line blowing in the wind on the praire with a tag that says "Small-Medium"!

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LMFAO, Ezed...and a big co-sign!

[quote="beatmaker"] However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were evenl quote]

Im amused by the last few words in this statement..."We're Even"

Even?? What exactly do you mean by "Even"...like blacks are owed a debt from whites? Like because of slavery modern white folks are responsible for the actions of some rednecks a couple hundred years ago,probably way before a majority of current white Americans families ever even immigrated to this country?!

Even??? WOW!

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Originally Posted by ezed

I've caught up on the thread since last night. The "Imus incident" is the talk of boards of all interests. This isn't a race issue, but it's become one. And it is accelerating. It's a censorship issue. There is no FCC violation in this case nor would the government (not meaning elected officials or those running for office) weigh in on it, yet. But the tone of the nation could change that soon through the all too willing legislature.

If they do we loose our identity. We are no longer the land of the free. We are the land of the politically correct. A land that requires all their kids to wear helmets till the age of 18. A land where a discouraging word is never heard. A soon to be land of enuchs and lovely odors.

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

Essentially, you will see all the conservatives now focusing on the rappers, and guess who will be joining them, Sharpton and Jackson. Why? To calm the race war they set in motion and to handle something which they always believed is a problem but never had the imputus to do anything about it.

From there, it goes on and on as an action generates a reaction. And broadcasters, entertainers, tv and movie personalities cower in their bunkers and spew forth ass kissing bather or say fuck it and get their heads chopped off when they speak their mind.

By the way, Patrice also pointed out he listened to the Imus tape over and over and clearly heard an "oh oh" as they were fading out in the break music. Indicating that Imus was ad-libbing and immediately knew he fucked up.

You ever see the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when the screechers are out on the street screeching and pointing. This is what we're becoming.

Do not censor talk! Not the guys on the right, the guys on the left, the shock jocks, the comedians, or the rappers. If you don't like the talk get up off your fat ass and change the channel. Don't ask the government, or the media to do it for you. You will be sorry if you do. Our Children will grow up with ipods in their ears and helmets on their heads and only watch and play video games....wait a minute, we're already there!

We have no more nightly news with "journalists" the nightly news has become another version of Insider Edition. Our national media is putting "The Enquirer, Star Magazine etc" out of business because they've sunk to their level.

Enough pontificating!

Legend, your like a yellow stained jock strap hanging on a clothes line blowing in the wind on the praire with a tag that says "Small-Medium"!

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A second Co-sign.

I have not forgotten my word to respond to Quinn, or a few posts that have been posted since then, but I've got a terrible head cold that I came down with a few days ago(I'd rather lie down if I can iow), and I've also got a room full of papers of which my tax papers are part of and need serious addressing.

Until I get back on my feet(seat) again, carry on. :)

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I have not forgotten my word to respond to Quinn, or a few posts that have been posted since then, but I've got a terrible head cold that I came down with a few days ago(I'd rather lie down if I can iow), and I've also got a room full of papers of which my tax papers are part of and need serious addressing.

Until I get back on my feet(seat) again, carry on. :)

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Understood. Sitting down and forumlating a comprehensive argument on something this complex can be a real pain in the ass if you're not feeling well. I hope you feel better soon. Until then, take it easy.

-Quinn

I dunno ---I think this whole thing with Don Imus --is inspiring racism...in me

I know the thrill of the whole thing is gone ---but people are still talking about it ---and it will cool off --and soon enough be forgotten ---or at least pushed back --out of our focus


today I watched MAD TV ---and there was ....I dunno -----I feel beaten --I feel limited ----not ME ---but white people in general ----white people can't say things that black people can ---and it is wrong ---dead wrong


and after MAD TV ended --comedy central had some live comedians ---and sure enough --it was an African American dude ---


I couldn't --I wouldn't watch ----

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lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

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This website is THE hangout for the closeted republican homosexual.
Dont be shocked.
The more taboo a fantasy or fetish is the more republicans you see there.
Thats why all these right wingers want there back blown out.
Peace.

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Ted Haggard could be lurking at this very moment.

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That's pretty fucking funny coming from you, 'tardboy.

You've done a lot of bible-banging on this forum, ever since your nappy-headed ho ass rode in here on the motherfucking short bus...you fucking cretin...

Now keep talking, dipshit... 8)

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There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

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I haven't checked out that bit yet, but he kicks ass. Wasn't he a regular on Colin Quinn's show on CC?