Did Trans500 Cross Line By Having An Adult Act As An Under Aged Character?

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Originally Posted by TSPornFan

You can't compare video games to playing on monkey bars. Video games are for people of all ages. There are many M rated games for adults only because they have extreme violence and sexual themes. Playgrounds are not socially acceptable for adults to play around.

You're also ignoring the part when he tells her to "go play", when she sits in daddy's lap like a kid, and looks very confused about sex. Who tells an 18 year old to go play on the playground? No one tells an 18 year old male or female to do that.

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Maybe I am showing my age, but there was huge uproar over video games. Tipper Gore lead the attack on games in the 90's saying that games would cause kids to act violently (and in fact went after certain music genres as well). Even when Columbine happened, there was a lot of people saying that video games (Doom, Wolfenstein) are causing kids to act violently. That the youth of America could not separate reality from fantasy. Yes this was huge. So when you say video games are generated images, yea sure. Go look up Manhunt (I actually own the game and even look zero punctuations review of the game) or the attacks against the GTA series, yea there are people who think video games cause violence.

Just because many of us play video games including myself and have grown up playing video games, it does not mean many video games are not violent, gory and have mass killing. You would be a fool. Still, I don't see people running out to kill people. Yes even killers play video games as well.

Porn in the same manner is fantasy. I am certainly sure most people are not looking to do the same acts in porn, but its the entertainment value. It appeals to those fantasies people will not act out or would never be interested. Of course some fantasies are way taboo. Does that mean people are going to be doing it. As much as the teen thing is a funky category, I will never say that because some watches it, it makes them pedophile.

Lets get our facts correct on fantasy.

If we say that, then we can simply say if you enjoy killing people in video games, then you probably will enjoy killing some in real life. Of course people understand fantasy. It has always been the case.

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Originally Posted by Lester316

Your logic with the video games comparison is flawed. Video games have computer generated characters and events which can't be mistaken for reality whilst actors and actresses on screen/film are actually real people playing a part which can be mistaken for the real thing; the very point to the argument here is that the performer is clearly trying to look and act like a child.

Also the link to video game players acting out 'killing' fantasies in real life is one born from sensationalism at best, when a murderer goes on a killing spree the media runs to shout video games are the cause but I can't recall one case where psychiatrists have proven a causal link between the two. In contrast as mentioned earlier in this thread it is a known fact that pedophiles have escalated their fantasies in the past by imagining adults playing the child role (for example with pornography in which an adult portrays a child) all the way up to actually participating in the filming of real and horrific child involved sex acts.

Billions of normal people watch films and TV shows, read books and play video games which include graphic scenes of murder and violence. Statistically as so many people do that some of those people end up committing acts of violence, some of those people aren't normal.

No normal people enjoy child pornography or pornography where someone is pretending to be a child suffering from a statutory rape. That's what pedophiles enjoy - that is the clear distinction.

Plenty of porn is weird; that's fine. Porn for pedophiles isn't.

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If normal people didn't like that porn, why is it one of the highest selling areas in porn?

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Originally Posted by lifeisfiction

If normal people didn't like that porn, why is it one of the highest selling areas in porn?

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Please lets make the distinction clear. You have suggested multiple times that Teen porn is popular and acceptable, at least I hope that is what you meant - I do not dispute that in any way. It's how we distinguish from Teen and Child that is the difference though.

Teen porn featuring performers playing characters of legal consenting age sits on the acceptable side of the line. I am saying that porn portraying children is not acceptable and clearly on the wrong side of the line. In the trailer we have been discussing the performer is stated to be 18 (clearly in my view to position the content as acceptable) but in every other way she is portrayed as a child. In the parts before the sex scene she acts, looks and behaves like a child. She plays at a playground, skips and hops around, sits in her 'father's' lap and acts as if the birds and the bees/sex education just hasn't been covered in her curriculum yet.

Even if you want to cling to the fact she is referred to as 18 years old within the trailer that just suggests the others in the scene are taking advantage of someone who is socially and mentally not as developed as an 18 should be; as they appear childlike; in that case frankly it's still just as wrong and just as creepy.

Her clear depiction as like a child is aimed at people who fantasize about sexual encounters with a child - those people are pedophiles.

Teen porn which features performers who, look act and behave as if they are 18 or 19 isn't aimed at pedophiles. That is the difference.

Well this isn't going to go anywhere fast, so lets agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by lifeisfiction

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Just because many of us play video games including myself and have grown up playing video games, it does not mean many video games are not violent, gory and have mass killing. You would be a fool. Still, I don't see people running out to kill people. Yes even killers play video games as well.

Porn in the same manner is fantasy. I am certainly sure most people are not looking to do the same acts in porn, but its the entertainment value. It appeals to those fantasies people will not act out or would never be interested. Of course some fantasies are way taboo. Does that mean people are going to be doing it. As much as the teen thing is a funky category, I will never say that because some watches it, it makes them pedophile.

Lets get our facts correct on fantasy.

If we say that, then we can simply say if you enjoy killing people in video games, then you probably will enjoy killing some in real life. Of course people understand fantasy. It has always been the case.

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I would say that there is a bit of a difference here though...you may enjoy killing in a video game without killing in real life, but I would certainly hope that while you are shooting stuff up on the screen you aren't getting an erection doing it.
...and that's a pretty big difference.

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Originally Posted by Lester316

I'm sure if people take time to look for links to other trailers/videos they will no doubt find quite a few that have similar themes but finding out there is a proliferation of something still in no way makes it OK.

The subject matter might be popular, even profitable for some but implying that makes it acceptable just doesn't sit well with me. By that logic pornography which has actual children in it would be allowed seeing as we are all aware there are plenty of people across the world who like watching it.

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http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=7048

Fuck that...all of the porn flicks over the years that have
had the "Barely Legal/Teen" theme and there
is outrage about this?!?!...right....
The issue I have with Trans500 is why they
haven't given fans and update on rather Eva Lin
is officially retired or not...( I mean she is their first and only exclusive contract star)
I like the Big Booty branch of the site and the bomb ass Venus Lux scene.

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Originally Posted by transfan8591

Fuck that...all of the porn flicks over the years that have
had the "Barely Legal/Teen" theme and there
is outrage about this?!?!...right....
The issue I have with Trans500 is why they
haven't given fans and update on rather Eva Lin
is officially retired or not...( I mean she is their first and only exclusive contract star)
I like the Big Booty branch of the site and the bomb ass Venus Lux scene.

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imo tpornfan real beef w/trans500 is that ramone doesnt give head or bottom

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Originally Posted by transfan8591

Fuck that...all of the porn flicks over the years that have
had the "Barely Legal/Teen" theme and there
is outrage about this?!?!...right....
The issue I have with Trans500 is why they
haven't given fans and update on rather Eva Lin
is officially retired or not...( I mean she is their first and only exclusive contract star)
I like the Big Booty branch of the site and the bomb ass Venus Lux scene.

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We are NOT questioning barely legal teen porn. We are discussing UNDER AGED themed porn. There is a clear difference between barely legal (legal to fuck) and under age (NOT LEGAL. SHOULD NEVER BE LEGAL). It's one thing to portray a girl as an 18 year in college or secretly hooking up with her best friend's older dad. It's a problem when a kid is playing on the playground, being told by daddy to go play, sitting in daddy's lap, and confused about sex.

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Originally Posted by MrBest

imo tpornfan real beef w/trans500 is that ramone doesnt give head or bottom

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What is your opinion based on? I make a legit topic and you jump to the conclusion about why you think my reason for disliking Ramon as a performer. FYI I don't have a problem with male performers, who are disinterested in giving head or bottoming. I think Ramon is a horrible performer for being annoying and trying to put himself in the spotlight instead of the girls.

Calm yourself, the age of the girl is not mentioned so you can't tell if she is underage, and btw Trans500.com has done alot in ts porn that has failed to deliver for the past 10 years. so i say your post is total bullshit.