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But this is the pivot on which so much of religion rest: people are given, as it were, the 'rule book' or 'Instruction Manual' yet the actual observance of 'the book', and the actual behaviour that constitutes an individual life, is entirely human. That someone does, or does not believe in the 'ultimate' judgement of that life by God (or doesn't care), separates the religious from the secular, except, as I understand it in Buddhism.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin48
Socialism, Yodajass -offers a universal view of life on earth as something that we produce together, consume together, and should therefore share together. In this country -and it relates to disparate communities in England, Scotland, and Wales, the socialist movement had roots in the non-established churches which were often just a group of workers in a small town or village meeting in someone's room, but whose sense of community was more egalitarian than the one they perceived to be ordered by the Church of England with its hierarchy of priests and its structural relationship to the state/monarchy. A powerful sense of fair play and justice derived from the life of Jesus informed the daily lives of people who laboured, yet were poor; who served the state, yet received little in kind. It is quite different from what Frederick Engels claimed was the 'scientific socialism' of his friend Karl Marx, whose impatience with religion has been handed down in the epithet 'religion is the opium of the people'. Far from it in this country where it played an instrumental role in the formation of the Labour Party in 1900, most of whose leaders have been committed Christians who believed they had a duty above all to tackle poverty -the one exception, Tony Blair, never having known the reality of the wars and economic depressions of the first 50 years of the century which were so important to an earlier generation, even though his own professed Christianity was kept 'under wraps' by his Press Secretary Alastair Campbell who said of the Labour Govt 'we don't do God' (in fact the issue was to conceal Blair's fidelity to the Roman Catholic church as the Prime Minister of the UK cannot be Catholic).Quote:
Originally Posted by yodajazz
It is a curious thing that early socialists often used Christian imagery when talking about the world they wanted to live in. The mystical, radical poet William Blake wrote in one of the most famous-and most misunderstood- poems in our language of Jerusalem re-built in 'England's green and pleasant land', having first produced two verses of bristling sarcasm as if the industrial landscape emerging at that time was incompatible with a perfect society; and this sense of a place of equality and justice became an important theme in much socialist literature. And when it is not an image of heaven on earth to soothe away the pain of long hours for little pay and no real freedom, it becomes (in another poem on Jerusalem) an image of ultimate liberation:
I Give you the end of a golden string;
Only wind it into a ball,
It will lead you in at Heaven’s gate,
Built in Jerusalem’s wall…
mega mark verses giant gospel according to luke???
on syfy this sunday!!!!!!!!
It's pretty obvious who has read a book around here, I can't re-find my verse in the Bible, maybe I dreamed it, but it went something like this:
The Apostles and Jesus were hanging out talking, when one of the Apostles quizzes Jesus-
"We've followed your rules, we love God, and we love our neighbor, so how come we can't heal the sick or perform miracles?"
"Those things can only be achieved through prayer"
My friend actually took me over to the Satan's house, I remember it was a cold day. I thought the little brother was FAR worse than Lucifer. Their Mom was out so we smoked some really good weed and drank ice water. They had a nice crib, but it was like a sauna in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin48
You make a good point. However religion with their churches, give a direct sense of community, dealing with everyday issues, and individual situations. Ministers can serve as private counselors etc. But you make a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
There is a Society in England that gets together, at least there used to be, and they are all Bible Scholars to some extent, and they take each red verse in the New Testament that Jesus said, and they discuss it, trying to decide if it is something Jesus actually said, or something some guy SAID he said. All of the words of Jesus were written secondhand, after all.
I may have said this before.
"Give unto Caesar" ...that is solid Jesus. But there are some verses that are questionable.
One of my Professors in Collidge told my class this, and I wondered to myself if Jesus didn't have off days, or if being WISE meant you were locked in to a permanent wisdom from which you can't fall back, or if wisdom is a universal finite wisdom, or if it comes in flavors. I know there are all kinds of smart and stupid, but I didn't think you and some other guys could sit down and grade another guy on his wisdom. God is Universal, but only to some.
Hi, Silcc69. For the answer to your above issues, see 7.4.2: "God’s Relation to the Old Testament", pp. 46 ff. of my following article (published under my legal name):Quote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708; PDF, 1741424 bytes, MD5: 8f7b21ee1e236fc2fbb22b4ee4bbd4cb. http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 , http://archive.org/details/ThePhysic...ryOfEverything , http://theophysics.host56.com/Redfor...ics-of-God.pdf , http://alphaomegapoint.files.wordpre...ics-of-god.pdf , http://sites.google.com/site/physico...ics-of-God.pdf
Additionally, in the below resource are six sections which contain very informative videos of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler explaining the Omega Point cosmology, which is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) of God's existence per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics), and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is also required by the known laws of physics. The seventh section therein contains an audio interview of Tipler.
A number of these videos are not otherwise online. I also provide some helpful notes and commentary for some of these videos.
James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", alt.sci.astro, Message-ID: jghev8tcbv02b6vn3uiq8jmelp7jijluqk@4ax.com , 30 Jul 2013 00:51:55 -0400. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ro/KQWt4KcpMVo , http://archive.is/a04w9 , http://webcitation.org/6IUTAMEyS The plain text of this post is available at: TXT, 42423 bytes, MD5: b199e867e42d54b2b8bf6adcb4127761. http://mirrorcreator.com/files/JCFTZSS8/ , http://ge.tt/3lOTVbp
A monthly magazine I read, had a column from a scholar name Rocco Errico. He a scholar in the actual language Jesus spoke, as well as other related language. There were some idioms of the time. Republicans least favorite saying of Jesus is: "It's harder for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle." Rocco said in an article that the "Eye of the needle"hy, was a the name a specific mountain passage. It was supposed to be difficult but not impossible for camels to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
One idiom I read about, in related Semitic culture, was a term called 'natural born eunuch'. This meant gay, and t people, I suppose, that were not attracted to females, by nature of their feelings from birth. Jesus said, "Some are born that way, and some were made that way by men" as he was answering a question about eunuchs. It doesn't seem to me, that he would be referring about a rare birth condition, in light of the idiom's meaning. The ones made by men, were done sometimes to prisoners of war. And certain professions required this, such as those guarding royal women's quarters. Jesus ended the passage saying, "Them that understand, should accept it".
(later translations after King James version). Jesus then is clearly in disagreement, with the "God hates Gays" crowd.
Sorry, Yoda but I think that the egalitarian component of socialism undermines the authority of churches and ministers -indeed a signal failure for many in the development of Christianity has been, quite precisely, the way in which churches, ministers and popes have become an institution creating its own rule book, its own hierarchies, appearing to become distant from the core message of the Gospels. This might not happen in small communities (but small communities can be oppressive in their own way), and the Quakers don't have a priestly order to dole out advice and punishment. Socialism is supposed to live and breathe through co-operation, yet in those cases where it too developed into an institution, it was seen to fail, and fail rather badly...perhaps human societies cannot organise themselves without creating hierarchies?Quote:
Originally Posted by yodajazz
Your point in the other reply about Eunuchs is I think a slippage of terminology -there may have been an ancient word for the 'intersexed' who have always existed, but a 'Eunuch' is a man-made creature...