Re: What makes the Germans so successful?
Yes, yes, my grandparents tell me they were so so much happier when they had their own public bathrooms, their own broken down schools and their own area of town to keep to. It was nice back then when whites were forced to sit in the front of the bus. When mobs kept you from the voting booth it was such a relief not to have decide which of two indistinguishable white guys should get your vote. Grandma says you didn't have to worry about losing your man to no white girl because he'd risk getting himself lynched real good.
Yeah, good times. So how were those happiness measurements made again?
Re: What makes the Germans so successful?
i have no sweet clue but looking at my family tree the german in me is where i get my body shape, ass and figure.
and my low tolerance to alchol. or maybe thats the irish and scotish..
Re: What makes the Germans so successful?
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Race isn't a "concept," which implies that it's up to the subject. It's visible to everyone. Everyone can see a black man. Everyone can see a European man. I don't need to read a book telling me that my eyes lie. I trust my own eyes more than some Marxist agitator.
I've never heard anybody claim this before or after 1936. I've read a lot about this particular subject. The reason I've never heard of it is because you just made it up as a red herring. It's easy to argue against yourself...
What's better about it? You do understand that it's the type of fiddling that von Braun was doing in the 60's and that the act of space exploration has not gone forward at all since that time? Nazis, for being so retrogressive, still managed to develop all of the structural technology required to go to the Moon. In 12 years. During wartime. Crazy.
Imperial rule doesn't invent genetic differences. For your information, the raw number of genetic differences is irrelevant. Different races have different concentrations of certain genes. There was a study released about this just recently. I'm trying to dig it up but I can't recall where I read it. And in any case, racial differences are so obvious as to make anybody who questions the existence of race a complete clown.
The U.S. went from a free country of sovereign states in a confederacy to a consolidated, Washington-directed dictatorship. The centralized teamed up with magnates to set up "internal improvements" that further entrenched their power. So the country came to be run by financial elite combined with whichever politicians they were backing. Then certain others showed up, and soon they dominated the financial elite, and through that the party system. The original idea of America was long lost at that point.
Americans.
Yeah, thanks America for bombing everything to rubble. Couldn't have made it without you! :cheers:
Yes, because Germans had free choice in the matter. Germany is an occupied government and the whole BRD is basically illegitimate because it's forced on Germans with threat of force.
America is still the most backwards nation in the so-called "West," only rivalled by "Great" Britain. You'd know this if you ever went to Germany, Sweden or say, Northern Italy.
1) "Race isn't a "concept," which implies that it's up to the subject. It's visible to everyone. Everyone can see a black man. Everyone can see a European man. I don't need to read a book telling me that my eyes lie."
-Race has been imported into the consciousness of people precisely because of the claims made by some people that is is an objective 'scientific fact' -so its not 'up to the subject', but something that celebrates or condemns its subjects. And if you saw me would you automatically assume I am of the 'European Race'? How? My mother was born on one continent, my father on another -what race am I? I don't care, because it is irrelevant.
2) Re Jesse Owens: "I've never heard anybody claim this before or after 1936. I've read a lot about this particular subject."
Remind then what it is that Jesse Owens is remembered for, in addition to the gold medals he so richly deserved.
3) re: Space exploration: "You do understand that it's the type of fiddling that von Braun was doing in the 60's and that the act of space exploration has not gone forward at all since that time".
Hello? Mars calling earth...man, how did you do that? And what kept you?
4) "racial differences are so obvious as to make anybody who questions the existence of race a complete clown".
See point 1; plus the obvious quote: So, I amuse you? I make you laugh?
5) World War II -obviously I meant that the RAF also bombed German cities, notably Dresden. You can read about it here:
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...of_dresden.htm
6) "America is still the most backwards nation in the so-called "West," only rivalled by "Great" Britain. You'd know this if you ever went to Germany, Sweden or say, Northern Italy"
I have been to Germany, and Italy (North, South, East and West) but sadly not Sweden. Clearly, its the going forwards that is the problem.
Re: What makes the Germans so successful?
To start with, you really need to learn to use the quote function. You've been posting here since 2008 with almost three thousand posts.
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-Race has been imported into the consciousness of people precisely because of the claims made by some people that is is an objective 'scientific fact' -so its not 'up to the subject', but something that celebrates or condemns its subjects.
No it doesn't. It just is. If saying someone is black condemns or celebrates them in your eyes, that's on you. Saying something is an ant doesn't celebrate it. You're being ridiculous. Do you even think about what you write?
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And if you saw me would you automatically assume I am of the 'European Race'? How?
Is your ancestry completely European? Then you're of European descent.
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Stavros
My mother was born on one continent, my father on another -what race am I? I don't care, because it is irrelevant.
You can't be serious. Race isn't about continents. If a White guy is born in China, is he Chinese? Absolutely ludicrous. You're getting to the smirking level of crazy here.
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Remind then what it is that Jesse Owens is remembered for, in addition to the gold medals he so richly deserved.
Jesse Owens is generally remembered for the bolsterous lie told in his name that Adolf Hitler refused to shake his hand, a lie which Mr. Owens himself repudiated many times. In fact, the retrogressive evil Nazis allowed Mr. Owens to stay in the first ever Olympic village among other Olympian athletes. Back in the good old U.S.A. however, he had to sit in the back of the bus. :D The myth of American tolerance is a real howler. Get this - the jew-gassing Nazis had a more integrated society than the heroes of America who "saved" the Germans from... uh, themselves I guess? Thanks again, yankee. :lol:
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Hello? Mars calling earth...man, how did you do that? And what kept you?
Rocketry, the basic device to leave this planet, is hardly at all evolved from the first space flight. What we have now is better cameras. I mean, we can now take black and white photos of Mars for the meager cost of $2,5 billion.
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See point 1; plus the obvious quote: So, I amuse you? I make you laugh?
Very much. I thought the type of reality-denying, delusional liberal nut you represent was a media myth.
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Thanks mom. We weren't talking about the RAF though. You keep jumping across topics, which is frustrating.
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If saying someone is black condemns or celebrates them in your eyes, that's on you. Saying something is an ant doesn't celebrate it. You're being ridiculous. Do you even think about what you write?
Is your ancestry completely European? Then you're of European descent.
Jesse Owens is generally remembered for the bolsterous lie told in his name that Adolf Hitler refused to shake his hand, a lie which Mr. Owens himself repudiated many times.
Your fundamental point is that 'Race' is obvious, my points are
a) it isn't obvious, and I am a good example why because my parents were from different parts of the world; it is pointless trying to define me as a European because one part is, the other part is not; the need to classify is part of the problem. What matters -to me- is how I relate to other people and they to me, and that should not be based on mine or their appearance, the texture of hair, the shape of the eyes, and all the other 'signs' that mark people out as in your definition, one race or another, but who to me are, well, human beings.
B) Race as you very well know has been used as a scientific concept to classify human beings, and it didn't take long for other so-called 'scientists' to use the same data to 'prove' that some 'races' are superior/inferior to others; I don't agree with it I merely draw attention to the uses to which this nonsensical idea has been put.
I am mystified by your peculiar account of the Berlin Olympics; if you are not aware of the damage that Jesse Owens did to the concept of the 'Master Race' either you don't read much, or just disagree with what you do read.
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinions and to express them freely here, it's not my fault if your attempt to use reason and history to prove that something called 'Race' exists falls flat every time.
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and my low tolerance to alchol. or maybe thats the irish and scotish..
I seriously doubt that! :lol:
Re: What makes the Germans so successful?
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hngs
Is your ancestry completely European? Then you're of European descent.
Well... That depends on how far back you go & who you're talking to. It gets even more convoluted when legal meanings are tossed in the mix. This is where everything becomes conceptual. We've been through this conversation before. How many generations does it take for someone of Turkish ancestry (maybe even the European part of Turkey) to be considered German, or even European?
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You can't be serious. Race isn't about continents. If a White guy is born in China, is he Chinese? Absolutely ludicrous. You're getting to the smirking level of crazy here.
Apples & oranges. Race isn't about continents, but it's not about ethnicity,pigmentation, or linguistics either. People are blended all over the Afro-Eurasian land mass. Racial attributes developed from regional climatic conditions over a long period of time more than anything else. But people move around. More now than they used to I imagine.
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Apples & oranges. Race isn't about continents, but it's not about ethnicity,pigmentation, or linguistics either. People are blended all over the Afro-Eurasian land mass. Racial attributes developed from regional climatic conditions over a long period of time more than anything else. But people move around. More now than they used to I imagine.
Why don't eskimoes have fair pigmentation, blonde hair or blue eyes? I mean, I could see them not having all of these... but at least a somewhat lighter complexion? No? What's up with that? Hint: it's because these kind of racial characteristics have nothing to do with climate.
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Why don't eskimoes have fair pigmentation, blonde hair or blue eyes? I mean, I could see them not having all of these... but at least a somewhat lighter complexion? No? What's up with that? Hint: it's because these kind of racial characteristics have nothing to do with climate.
Some things I've read say that caucasians are more closely related to neandertal. No tellin' what color they were. But then again; caucasians are all over the globe & come in every shade. The Ainu of Hokaido, the Aboriginees of Australia, & most people of the sub-continent & central Asia are caucasian. Meanwhile, all the various people of the polar region, from Lapps to Inuits, have similar physical attributes & are considered mongoloid. Same as American Indians, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, etc... Perhaps the recessive gene that causes a lack of melanin comes from thousands of years of self-imposed isolation.
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National Geographic's massive Genographic Project
Think of the Whitest person you know: someone with blond hair, blue eyes and almost translucent skin, not a drop of Black ancestry in them. Now think of the darkest person you know: someone richly endowed with traditional African features, not even a drop of White ancestry in their past. Well, guess what? Scientists now trace the origins of both of these people-and of all human beings who have ever walked the face of the earth-to Black Africa, to the region around what is now Ethiopia. As Spencer Wells, the director of National Geographic's massive Genographic Project, puts it: "Our species evolved in Africa, and a subset of Africans left that continent around 50,000 years ago to populate the rest of the world. Our earliest ancestors probably looked very much like modern Africans."
This would have been news to "Bull" Connor and Orval Faubus and countless other racists from our past. It is also news to most of our White
"I was able to trace the family trees of several prominent African Americans deep into slavery, following the paper trail. And then when the paper trail ended, we tested their DNA in an attempt to discover the origins of their mother's line or their father's line on the African continent."
Henry Louis Gates, Jr.
Alphonse Fletcher University Professor, Harvard University Director,
everyone regardless if you are white ,Spanish ,Mexican or Asian
can traced there origins back to two Ethiopians ,a man and a women.
these two Ethiopians are everyones ancestors
http://www.africandna.com/tests.aspx
http://www.africandna.com/tests.aspx
http://www.africandna.com/
http://www.africandna.com/history.aspx
http://www.africandna.com/history.aspx
Henry Louis “Skip” Gates, Jr., (born September 16, 1950) is an American literary critic, educator, scholar, writer, editor, and public intellectual.
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Spencer Wells (born April 6, 1969 in Georgia, United States) is a geneticist and anthropologist, an Explorer-in-Residence at the National Geographic Society, and Frank H.T. Rhodes Class of '56 Professor at Cornell University. He leads The Genographic Project
He wrote the book The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey (2002),[2] which explains how genetic data has been used to trace human migrations over the past 50,000 years, when modern humans first migrated outside of Africa. According to Wells, one group took a southern route and populated southern India and southeast Asia, then Australia. The other group, accounting for 90% of the world's non-African population (some 5 billion people as of late 2006), took a northern route, eventually peopling most of Eurasia (largely displacing the aboriginals in southern India, Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia in the process), North Africa and the Americas. Wells also wrote and presented the PBS/National Geographic documentary of the same name. By analyzing DNA from people in all regions of the world, Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 - 90,000 years ago, a man also known as Y-chromosomal Adam.
Since 2005, Wells has headed The Genographic Project, undertaken by the National Geographic Society, IBM, and the Waitt Family Foundation,[4] which aims to creating a picture of how our ancestors populated the planet by analyzing DNA samples from around the world.[5] He presents the knowledge gained from the project around the world, including at the 2007 TED conference, where he spoke specifically about human diversity.[6]
Spencer Wells - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey (Part 1 of 13) - YouTube
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The Eyes of Nye- Race (Part 1 of 3)
In this episode of Bill Nye's "The Eyes of Nye", Bill talks about how the notion of race in our species, Homo sapiens sapiens, is completely wrong and outdated. He and his colleagues in the scientific community show us how we are all of the same race, and that the notion of different races/sub-species in humans today is 100% scientifically incorrect.
The Eyes of Nye - Race (Part 1 of 3) - YouTube
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“Black People Don’t Have Blue Eyes…Do They
http://mixedamericanlife.files.wordp..._blue_eyes.jpg
http://mixedamericanlife.wordpress.c...they%E2%80%9D/
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White skin appeared just 20,000 to 50,000 years ago, as dark-skinned humans migrated to colder climes and lost much of their melanin pigment.
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/20-things-skin
see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian
Race is an old concept that should probably be discarded. It was
created by people who had a very limited knowledge of their world. If you
look at any genetic map (mitochondrial or Y chromosome DNA), you can
see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian
race.
Here's a map
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/
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Why don't eskimoes have fair pigmentation, blonde hair or blue eyes? I mean, I could see them not having all of these... but at least a somewhat lighter complexion? No? What's up with that? Hint: it's because these kind of racial characteristics have nothing to do with climate.
