RIP To Troy Davis

I would like to ask a question and please someone if they could answer it for me.

How is it a jury of people convict Troy Davis [rip] on the notion of no evidence at all 20 years ago? How did they come up with the conclusion he was guilty? How does that shit work?

Now If I was that man's family I would use every suing technique available and I would sue everyone, from the State on down to the jurors!

Now get this, if the 7 jurors came forth now and said he didn't do it yada yada, shouldn't they get their asses halled in for PERJURY? They should get a life sentence for FALSE WITNESSING!

22 years tolate. But justice won out.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

I know cats from NYC, murdered a couple of people, did a year and CAME HOME! Yes i said came home only after a zip/year!

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On January 1, 2009, Johannes Mehserle (cop) executed Oscar Grant. After a sham trial, he was convicted. He made the mistake of killing Mr. Grant on a crowed subway platform. The jury sentenced him to TWO YEARS with double credit for the time he spent waiting in jail. He was rekeased on June 13, 2011.

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Originally Posted by loren

On January 1, 2009, Johannes Mehserle (cop) executed Oscar Grant. After a sham trial, he was convicted. He made the mistake of killing Mr. Grant on a crowed subway platform. The jury sentenced him to TWO YEARS with double credit for the time he spent waiting in jail. He was rekeased on June 13, 2011.

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See that's some real bullshit! I don't even know what the fuck to say I am so angry!

For those that think Pres. Obama could have stepped in and stop this murder, he could not. In the US Constitution, it limits the ability for a President to offer pardons. Not want to be boring on a porn site, but there are historical reasons why the fucking slave holding founders limited the presidential pardon.

Not to get bogged down in history, there is a reason why crimes are considered jurisdiction of states. Only recently has the federal government encroched local crimes jurisdiction, i.e the federal car jacking statue

He was fingered by the 3 people who were right there with him when HE DID IT. From what I've seen, that includes the other victim, whom Davis was in the process of pistol whipping right before he turned & shot the off duty cop who was coming over to stop it. The racial makeup of the jury was 7 black & 5 white. The verdict was unanymous, like all criminal jury verdicts, for for both the conviction & the penalty. I'm all out of sympathy. He never really had any factual or legal arguments, & he finally ran out of appeals. If he wanted to stay alive past his injection date, he should have thought just a little about his actions instead of being a total asshole.

The only argument left here is whether or not to abolish the death penalty altogether. It's a legit argument. Let's not muddy it up with a bunch of ad hominem nonsense about this jerk. It just gets in the way of the real intellectual argument.

Personally, I'm not bothered by the death penalty per se'. Just the methods of execution, including lethal injection, that make the cadaver useless for transplant harvest. I'd be fine with death by hanging, beheading, or my personal favorite, dissection. (The fresher the parts, the better. Right?) But then again, deliberate killing by government entities always gives me some pause. It's a pretty good opportunity for abuse of power. Incompetence levels are the same all over. All you have to do is look around wherever you are for that part of the argument to slap you in the face. I wouldn't be bothered if the death penalty was abolished either.

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Originally Posted by loren

So, let me get this straight. You're saying that we should allow 99 MURDERERS live (on our tax dollars) just because there might be one innocent man.

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Yes.

Its not only the civilized thing to do, its also cheaper.

Jamesedwards, I think you are confusing the crime that has been committed, with the judicial process. People who are at the bottom end of the system, who cannot afford a lawyer with the money and time to assemble a defence based on alternative witness statements, dna and forensic evidence, who can effectively challenge the Prosecution, are more likely to slip through a short trial because all the evidence is against them -and mostly these are poor people, black poor, white poor. In addition, plea bargaining and other options can be used to minimise sentences, and you have the added issue of the death penalty applying in one state, not another. Lastly, you have the costs of keeping someone on death row for say, 10 years, which costs roughly $2 or $3 milion, as the appeals go to and fro. At some point in all this, the victim(s) tend to get forgotten, and their families have to endure as much anxiety as the convicted felon(s). If you want reform, you might think of reform as replacing the death penalty with alternatives where life means life, so that murderers automatically get a whole life tariff and don't get relased for good behaviour after 15 years -as happens in the UK-no reform is impossible, and no reform will ever satisfy everyone. But at root, it is the judicial process that allows these things to happen, and poverty -which leads to badly handled cases and miscarriages of justice. I don't know if Troy Davis shot the policeman, I don't know if the witnesses were lying to save their own skins at the time, or lying when they recanted, it is all now a matter of history. But you do have the power to change the law, you just to need to know what it is that you want, and mobilise the campaign.

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Originally Posted by Teydyn

Yes.

Its not only the civilized thing to do, its also cheaper.

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How is it cheaper to keep a murderer alive, instead of executing him/her?

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Originally Posted by loren

How is it cheaper to keep a murderer alive, instead of executing him/her?

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"The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases."

In other words, lawyers are more expensive than food.

Here you will find facts about why capital punishment is more expensive than life without parole: http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42