Grooby Legal Action against Piracy ...

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Originally Posted by SmashysmashY

You probably don't think the best way to insure that artists are paid is to remove existing right and sue people even if you believe that it is important. Personally I wouldn't mind just being taxed for it. Artists could be paid that way. Everyone is already downloading anyway. Almost nobody thinks it's immoral. Why criminalize everyone to guarantee profit for distributors who aren't even necessary anymore?

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A government solution to a corporate problem? That'd be a first! :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Ultimately you have nothing beyond theory and opinion to bring to the discussion, because you can't relate to having a pay site. And you've said countless times that some people have "too much", "plenty" and "enough" money, so of course you don't care if they're getting robbed. Why don't you just admit it? lol

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Ashley started that blog with me. Don't act like I just decided to poach her out of nowhere. Again, you have no credibility or objectivity in dealing with me anymore.

~BB~

This is comedy. Seriously. Ashley is not happy with having this weirdo use her pics to keep that misleading piece of shit blog up. lol

You're such a fucking hypocrite, Bella.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

A government solution to a corporate problem? That'd be a first! :lol:

~BB~

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Well, maybe dinosaurs shouldn't have gone extinct and your car should tip over when the drive through waitress puts food on it like in the opening credits to the Flintstones.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Ashley started that blog with me. Don't act like I just decided to poach her out of nowhere. Again, you have no credibility or objectivity in dealing with me anymore.

~BB~

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What are you saying? That's you have a right to poach her from anywhere? lol

And I'm sure there are all kinds of thieves who I lack "credibility" with. I guess you have to take it from where it comes. lol

But the fact is, Ashley is not cool with that blog, you thieving goon.

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Originally Posted by Brittany St Jordan

The fact that potential customers know that pirated material can be easily found online is enough to dissuade them from actually joining a site so yes stolen material does equal loss in income for the owners of the material.

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No.

Technically yes, everyone is a potential customer, but you're wrong if you think that 1 x Pirate Download = 1 x Potential Customer Getting Product Free = 1 x Loss Of Paying Customer.

Have you ever downloaded pirated porn sets from anywhere? As a delivery method it absolutely sucks! Trying to find anything relevant is difficult and disjointed, there's no real way of knowing what you're getting or previewing content to see if it's what you actually want, you have to hunt around numerous different sites and it's actually pretty hit and miss as to whether you get anything you were actually looking for. Throw in the shemale niche and relying on pirated content is hugely frustrating and pretty useless.

They isn't some bunch of secret pirate sites with a full catalogue of every photo set ever taken, ready to browse and download at your convenience. In fact a quick visit to ThePirateBay, arguably the largest torrent site on the internet, and a search for 'shemale' brings up a massive, industry bankrupting 9 pirated files:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4884/picture4fn.png

The stark fact of the matter is, if someone wants shemale porn they're going to subscribe to a paysite, if they're able to. It's far easier, and actually worth the subscription fees (well maybe not ALL sites are worth the subscription fees but whatever).

Downloading a pirated file simply does not equate to a loss of revenue.

(Hypothetical explantion - Not actually my actions!)
If there was a file there called "Shania TitsMcCock - Latest Set!" I'd probably download it and have a look. But that doesn't mean Shania has lost out on a customer. If I had to pay for the file I wouldn't download it, not because I expect things for free but because I'm just not interested in her enough to pay.
(/Hypothetical explantion - Not actually my actions!)

If someone is able to pay for a product they will, they're your real potential customers and will only be convinced of paying for products by the quality of the product and their personal desire for it.

Someone downloading a pirate file is not a lost sale.

Want proof of this? I kept seeing photos of a fetish model around the net and really liked her. I wanted to see more and had a look on torrent sites to see if there was anything available. I found one or two sets, thought she was amazing and decided that I'd go and subscribe to her site.

http://www.themoshroom.com

The fact that there were pirated files of her sets available didn't stop me from subscribing to her site, in fact they actively encouraged me to find, visit and consequently give her money every month. (Should I be prosecuted for piracy after downloading her sets?)

For those who want to know the IPs and what they downloaded....

http://notatypewriter.wordpress.com/...rent-lawsuits/

http://notatypewriter.files.wordpres...6708326036.pdf

http://www.archive.org/details/gov.uscourts.ilnd.247136 <--the filing itself

:whistle:

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Originally Posted by SmashysmashY

That's not up to me. But even if there is no valid business model to adopt, then find another business and don't infringe on the right and privacy of others. Some things become obsolete, you can't punish others in the pursuit of profit when it happens.

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I'm a bit lost as to what rights you're referring to. If this were a case where companies were unknowingly installing code on your computer to see what you browsed, then I would agree there would be a privacy issue. However, that is not the case here. There is a website open to the public with visible links to download the plaintiff's intellectual property, they are moving for disclosure of the identities of persons that used that site to download it. They can't prosecute their claim without that information, so nothing nefarious about that.

lol, for help with piracy call us now: 800 D-I-V-O-R-C-E!

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Originally Posted by NYBURBS

I'm a bit lost as to what rights you're referring to. If this were a case where companies were unknowingly installing code on your computer to see what you browsed, then I would agree there would be a privacy issue. However, that is not the case here. There is a website open to the public with visible links to download the plaintiff's intellectual property, they are moving for disclosure of the identities of persons that used that site to download it. They can't prosecute their claim without that information, so nothing nefarious about that.

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Torrent files don't contain copyright protected material.