Production and promotion standards in the TS niche

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12-23-2009
BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by slinky

How about if I told you I'd shoot you and represent you exactly the way you want to be, but as a result you'd have to pay all your own expenses and get half your usual fee? Would you accept that? I don't think so.

To be honest, if I had creative control I would gladly work on a profit-sharing basis or commission of some sort. Remember that the studios make a profit in perpetuity on the content they shoot. I would gladly forgo the stipend I receive for a shoot for a chance to change things. So would I put my money where my mouth is? You bet your ass I would!

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Originally Posted by slinky

What I see here is plenty of people with plenty of experience telling you that if you want thigs the way you want them, then you have to take your own actions, take your own risks, etc. JUST LIKE A NUMBER OF OTHER GIRLS HAVE DONE

The only thing stopping me is a lack of start-up capital. Like I just said, given the opportunity I would gladly take the risks necessary to help the industry become what I envision it could be. I'm anything but a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by slinky

It's not that I don't understand WHY you would want what you want. but it actually seems like what you want is "more and better" without making the sacrifices which others are making, except for the possible sacrifice of not getting more work because the people who you have done work for in the past and may have in the future may see you as being unreasonable.

Thank for your enlightened understanding. I Agree 100%. In fact the proof is in this thread. Essentially I was just publicly 'fired' so to speak by Seanchai. So yeah, you have a point here. :lol:

~BB~
12-23-2009
GroobySteven

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You're hysterical! I spent a month on the Top 10 board, peaking at #6. My first set, of which I wasn't particularly fond, had over 8500 views at last count which rivals many other more established models in the industry. But you go ahead and spin it any way you like.

Paranoia? Yeah, OK. That's why you're trying to run away from me as fast as you can now that you've clearly taken my criticism all upon yourself. Thanks for proving me correct. I pretty much knew you'd never call me in again. I'm not stupid, ya know?! :lol:

This is precisely why I actually feel comfortable in the 'activist' role in which I've seemed to land. Thank you for helping me find my place. :)

~BB~

Not as hysterical as you Bella.
You were on the Top 10 board as the database/rating system was brand new so every new model updated, no matter what the rating, ended up on it before it "shook out" with enough votes across enough models to give a fair rating. Your sets rate 3.10 which is pretty low. The top 50 models have a spread of only 0.49 so you can guess where you'd lie in the actual ratings. We've had no member requests for reshoots.
Page views is fairly irrelevant. We have 1000's of members and most will look at every models pages.

What do you mean "run away"? :roll:

Thanks for proving ME correct that this has nothing to do with activism or "helping younger girls" (as if they needed it from you?) and everything to do with sour grapes because your not getting called in for reshoots.

Your not an activist, your a whiner.
12-23-2009
GroobySteven

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

In fact the proof is in this thread. Essentially I was just publicly 'fired' so to speak by Seanchai. So yeah, you have a point here. :lol:

~BB~

You weren't fired because you were never hired. You weren't a particularly good model. Some are natural, others aren't. It's not cut out for everyone, don't take it personally.

You've completely failed in this thread to prove anything or make any valid point or "activism" other than the above point.

You asked earlier, why do I take it personally? Because I care about my industry, I care about the product and I don't like to see somebody take exception to it, out of personal and selfish reasons.
12-23-2009
tsmandy

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You worry too much. You're a pretty girl and the makeup doesn't make the woman. This is more about the fact the certain camera angles, lighting, etc can make even the prettiest GG look harsh or even masculine. I may not always agree with you but I do appreciate your femininity and your talent. You're a lot more valuable as a person and a performer as your insecurities would lead you to believe.

~BB~

I do not think I am insecure, in fact far from it. I've taken many more chances with how I let myself get represented than most girls in the industry ever will. That said, I still don't like it when I read guys making comments about how I look masculine in a certain photo, and that is not something that female porn performers worry about. That is not insecurity, that is a reality of being a TS porn star.

I am very intentional with my work and who I am in the world, and I'm anything but insecure. Ambitious maybe, but not insecure.
12-23-2009
tsmandy

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Originally Posted by slinky

What I see here is plenty of people with plenty of experience telling you that if you want thigs the way you want them, then you have to take your own actions, take your own risks, etc. JUST LIKE A NUMBER OF OTHER GIRLS HAVE DONE who wanted that.

This is very true to my experience in the industry. I've pitched ideas that I've been interested in many times over the years to many different companies, and ultimately I have been best served by coming up with the money to do it myself and not relying on other people to take chances on my vision.
12-23-2009
BrendaQG

Perhaps you should not worry so much about any of this. Many ladies have had worse pictures taken, had someone dredge up "before" pictures, etc. They all are doing just fine.

Try to enjoy the look on peoples faces when they see the real you in person.
12-23-2009
BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You're hysterical! I spent a month on the Top 10 board, peaking at #6. My first set, of which I wasn't particularly fond, had over 8500 views at last count which rivals many other more established models in the industry. But you go ahead and spin it any way you like.

Paranoia? Yeah, OK. That's why you're trying to run away from me as fast as you can now that you've clearly taken my criticism all upon yourself. Thanks for proving me correct. I pretty much knew you'd never call me in again. I'm not stupid, ya know?! :lol:

This is precisely why I actually feel comfortable in the 'activist' role in which I've seemed to land. Thank you for helping me find my place. :)

~BB~

Not as hysterical as you Bella.
You were on the Top 10 board as the database/rating system was brand new so every new model updated, no matter what the rating, ended up on it before it "shook out" with enough votes across enough models to give a fair rating. Your sets rate 3.10 which is pretty low. The top 50 models have a spread of only 0.49 so you can guess where you'd lie in the actual ratings. We've had no member requests for reshoots.
Page views is fairly irrelevant. We have 1000's of members and most will look at every models pages.

You say I have no proof of that which I speak. Neither do you. If the rating system is private then you hold all the cards, don't you? And you don't have to divulge anything you don't want to, do you?

Furthermore, I spent nearly the ENTIRE month I was eligible on the Top 10 so your allegation that it had something to with the supposed newness of the ratings system is a claim that I would also dispute due to lack of evidence. Not to mention that my first set was rated around 3.8 for the entire month in question and then some before it began to drop a bit.

Your allegation that nobody requested a reshoot is also false. There were plenty of positive comments on my sets and profile and a thread on the Yum message board about me. I'm also fairly popular here and on HD.

Plus, I checked out the page views for many of the other girls and some barely cracked a quarter of what I did while some others still haven't even done that. I mean really, are you going to be truthful or do you have an agenda? Oh wait, you're right. You don't. I'm just paranoid, remember?

Oh, and you're forgetting that we're talking about my first ever shoot for a website.

Even further, that first shoot that I didn't like garnered more views and votes than my second which I did and in which I looked infinitely softer and prettier. It's not my fault so many of your viewers like a girl to look more masculine than they are but if that's the case I don't want to shoot with you guys again anyway.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

What do you mean "run away"? :roll:

Thanks for proving ME correct that this has nothing to do with activism or "helping younger girls" (as if they needed it from you?) and everything to do with sour grapes because your not getting called in for reshoots.

Your not an activist, your a whiner.

You say that about every girl that dares to question you. Plenty of girls who shall remain nameless consider you an egomaniac and this little spat seals it for me. Like I said, as you continue to type you continue to prove that my worst impressions about you are true. You and Buddy were always patronizing to me and I always felt that you had decided you'd never shoot me again even as you shot me the first time so really I'm not surprised by any of this.

I never mentioned you in this thread by name, but here you are, making up stories with which to 'prove' I'm not a worthy model. I've seen some of the girls on your site and you've shot some of the ugliest girls I've ever seen repeatedly so don't try to play this off as something that it isn't.

~BB~
12-23-2009
BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

In fact the proof is in this thread. Essentially I was just publicly 'fired' so to speak by Seanchai. So yeah, you have a point here. :lol:

~BB~

You weren't fired because you were never hired. You weren't a particularly good model. Some are natural, others aren't. It's not cut out for everyone, don't take it personally.

You've completely failed in this thread to prove anything or make any valid point or "activism" other than the above point.

You asked earlier, why do I take it personally? Because I care about my industry, I care about the product and I don't like to see somebody take exception to it, out of personal and selfish reasons.

No, I certainly was not a great model, but that was my first shoot and I've been getting better.

Personal and selfish? Really? Yeah, because no other girl has ever felt the way I do. :roll:

Well since I can't shoot with you anymore and my 'crusade' persists I guess I'm not being selfish, am I? Sacrifice? I just made one Boss. Now I have nothing to lose. Nice strategy you got there Hannibal! :lol:

~BB~

PS: My model rating is 3.1. My set ratings were higher and you know it. In fact at Bob's Labor Day party I asked Buddy about why that might be and he had no explanation.
12-23-2009
GroobySteven

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You say I have no proof of that which I speak. Neither do you. If the rating system is private then you hold all the cards, don't you? And you don't have to divulge anything you don't want to, do you?

I posted your rating. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Not to mention that my first set was rated around 3.8 for the entire month in question and then some before it began to drop a bit.

As more people voted, the spread became wider. It's simple.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Your allegation that nobody requested a reshoot is also false. There were plenty of positive comments on my sets and profile and a thread on the Yum message board about me. I'm also fairly popular here and on HD.

There were postive comments, I never denied that but the feedback wasn't good enough to warrant an immediate reshoot. You seem to think there is some other motive beyond us simply, not wanting a reshoot of you at that/this time.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Plus, I checked out the page views for many of the other girls and some barely cracked a quarter of what I did while some others still haven't even done that. I mean really, are you going to be truthful or do you have an agenda? Oh wait, you're right. You don't. I'm just paranoid, remember?

We have 1145 models. Many would have scored below you. It's unlikely we'd be reshooting them either unless we saw a reason to (ie; they'd changed) some of our most popular models started off, not very good but they returned new and improved. We never rule out reshoots completely until we see a model.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Even further, that first shoot that I didn't like garnered more views and votes than my second which I did and in which I looked infinitely softer and prettier. It's not my fault so many of your viewers like a girl to look more masculine than they are but if that's the case I don't want to shoot with you guys again anyway.

Harley Quinn, Chrissy, Ashley George, Hazel Tucker, Melanie, Brittany Banks, Celeste, Khloe Hart, Alexis and Simone are out Top 10. Masculine girls indeed !?! :roll:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Plenty of girls who shall remain nameless consider you an egomaniac and this little spat seals it for me. Like I said, as you continue to type you continue to prove that my worst impressions about you are true. You and Buddy were always patronizing to me and I always felt that you had decided you'd never shoot me again even as you shot me the first time so really I'm not surprised by any of this.

Egomaniac? Jeez, not that old one again ... "plenty of girls ..." I'll live with it, your really reaching now? Buddy doesn't call the shots, I do, and I base them on how well a model has sold for us.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I never mentioned you in this thread by name, but here you are, making up stories with which to 'prove' I'm not a worthy model.

I never said you weren't a worthy model. You were worthy and I'm happy to have you on our site. What I said was you weren't a particularly good model. You just didn't look comfortable as a model, your sets didn't rate high. I've seen more recent sets of you and they appear the same. I've no reasons to make up stories, I've nothing personal against you other than the attacks in this thread and in your original post, the obvious aim was at our company, which you've since confirmed. It's purely business, don't read more into it, than that.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I've seen some of the girls on your site and you've shot some of the ugliest girls I've ever seen repeatedly...

Bella Bellucci, "activist ...friend of younger girls" and now insulting other models. Shame on you. Your a hypocrite and obviously full of crap.
12-23-2009
BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Not to mention that my first set was rated around 3.8 for the entire month in question and then some before it began to drop a bit.

As more people voted, the spread became wider. It's simple.

Actually, no it didn't. I thought it did but it's still sitting at 3.8, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

There were postive comments, I never denied that but the feedback wasn't good enough to warrant an immediate reshoot. You seem to think there is some other motive beyond us simply, not wanting a reshoot of you at that/this time.

At this time? You just told me you'll never shoot me again. Revisionist history, much?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Harley Quinn, Chrissy, Ashley George, Hazel Tucker, Melanie, Brittany Banks, Celeste, Khloe Hart, Alexis and Simone are out Top 10. Masculine girls indeed !?! :roll:

Yes, you have some hot talent, but you also have your share of monsters. You'd be outright lying if you said that wasn't true.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Egomaniac? Jeez, not that old one again ...

... if the label fits. Obviously it does if it's being used to describe you 'again.' We can't all be wrong.

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I never said you weren't a worthy model. You were worthy and I'm happy to have you on our site. What I said was you weren't a particularly good model. You just didn't look comfortable as a model, your sets didn't rate high. I've seen more recent sets of you and they appear the same.

I never disagreed with your assessment of my modeling skills. As to my 'recent' sets, they were all shot within the same month - back in July - so they're hardly more recent than the shoot I did for you.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I've seen some of the girls on your site and you've shot some of the ugliest girls I've ever seen repeatedly...

Bella Bellucci, "activist ...friend of younger girls" and now insulting other models. Shame on you. Your a hypocrite and obviously full of crap.

Yes I may have insulted those that are not worthy models (also not by name) but it's yet another criticism that has been leveled against Yum repeatedly by plenty of viewers. I didn't just make it up. Also, my wanting to make the industry better is about protecting the niche as a whole, not necessarily all of the girls within it.

The fact is that some girls have no business in front of a camera and you guys shoot them anyway. Saying so doesn't make me a hypocrite; it makes me honest. As far as I, and indeed many others are concerned, there are men in dresses on your site that make the entire niche look cheap and desperate. I never claimed to be an activist for transvestites and I never will be and you won't get any apologies from me over it. Shame on me? Shame on you for putting these 'girls' on the same site with real transsexuals and implying that it's all the same. It's not.

~BB~

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