Homophobia and hypocrisy on hungangels

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Am I afraid if someone calls me gay?? NO.

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And you shouldn't be. There's no need to be afraid.

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Originally Posted by sissyrachel

I’ve been around on this forum for quite a while but rarely see the need to post very much except for using the stories section as an opportunity to get people to read my work. Anyway, I’ve decided to break that habit to raise a point that has begun to get on my nerves a little on reading the threads on this board, namely the shocking levels of casual (and sometimes quite insistent) homophobia present among quite a lot of posters, even extending to one user recently describing how he has hurt gay people in the past while at the same time pursuing his interested in transsexuals.

The LGBT community has always been a sprawling mass of disparate identities and viewpoints and yet, still, I have always found it slightly surprising that the different branches of this so-called “community” have been so willing to adopt a confrontational stand point towards others. In particular, this applies to transgender people who are often viewed by homosexuals with suspicion and antagonism and react similarly in response. While it is important to recognise that homosexuality and transgender are not one and the same thing, that a transwoman is not at all the same as a gay man, these two minority groups, often viewed as unnatural by mainstream society, have a lot to gain from adopting a conciliatory standpoint towards each other. Notably, there is an unnecessary level of antagonism between the men who are attracted to transwomen and men who are attracted to other men.

On these boards, this translates as a world of “straight” men who lust after transsexual women denigrating anything they deem to be “gay” as if this was somehow a terrible thing, a disturbing abnormality that no normal man would want to be associated with. There are so many threads of men worried that liking transsexuals means they are gay. The issue here, as I see it, is not whether these guys are gay (there’s as much difference in desires and kinks within these guys as any other, none are at least 100% straight but certainly for some a lust for transsexuals indicates more of a gay side than it does for others), but why these guys consider being gay to be such an objectionable thing that the very thought that they themselves could be gay could stand in the way of their happiness and pleasure. There is an odd notion that those guys who lust after transsexuals but consider themselves “straight” are somehow better than those whose transsexual desires are more gay (partly but not totally linked to the idea that to be a “top” is more straight than to be a gay bottom). How can the one possibly be morally superior to the other?

As for me, I will happily admit to having both my straight side and my gay side, if you’re into labels I’m happy to call myself bisexual. I am a man in a long term relationship with a straight genetic girl, but I do not feel my gay thoughts or fantasies make me somehow any worse than a totally straight guy (obviously they would if I ever acted on these fantasies and cheated on my girl, but that would be equally true of a straight guy who sometimes fantasises about women other than his girlfriend). Anyone who has read my stories will know that I have a load of rather kinky fantasies but I don’t feel this should impact on how I treat real people, whether in person or online. I like to crossdress, but I do so for sexual pleasure, this does not make me the same thing as a genuine transwoman, who feels herself to be an actual woman even if born in a male body and therefore dresses and acts as a woman as her whole life not just sexually. Neither, however, do I feel this means I am less of a person or more worthy of abuse than a transwoman.

I guess this thread is a case in point - http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584 (This “club kid” would make the perfect t-girl). In this thread pictures are posted of a variety of crossdressers, emo kids, feminine twinks and all sorts else, basically anyone who looks feminine but isn’t undergoing any actual gender reassignment transition. Some of these guys and girls are hot, some of them really aren’t, that’s not the point. The point is that, worryingly, both the fans and haters of this thread rapidly adopt a disturbingly homophobic position. While the haters seem keen to put down anything they don’t like as “gay” and therefore instantly wrong, the fans are no better, worried and paranoid that their desire for femme bois and crossdressed sissies is somehow gay and wrong. Guess what, it is gay! But that can’t make it any more “wrong” than anything else.

I guess that all I’m asking is that people adopt a more tolerant stance towards other people’s desires and fetishes. A straight man is no better than a gay man, a transwoman no worse than one. If you’re not into something, there’s no reason aggressively to strike out at those who are. Everybody is different, what harm can there be in saying love and let love?

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There is a point to this story.

Rod & Ross were gay lovers, odd mix. One was tall and skinny, the other short and skinny. They had a house and play space on West Belmont, a few blocks west of Halsted, North side of the street. First floor was living space, 2nd floor and basement were bdsm/play spaces.

R & R hosted the Eulinspiegle (spelling) Society. It was a monthly pansexual meeting, that was for the most part exceptionally well attended by the straight bdsm community. It was a Pansexual event (for those newbians means it is open to gays, straights, transexuals). The people invited were that if you have two legs, and some functioning cell matter, you were invited.

I was as virgin as a virgin could be with regard to bdsm, the smell of leather, the handling of leather implements, a whip, crop, suction tube, the lust created in your loins by just looking at serious bdsm equipment and the sexual excitement could be smelled in each breath you took; at the meetings although people were fully clothed, you could smell the sex in the air.

Exploring with my sexuality, R & R just loved me. Again, I was a young buff Stud, well built tall and virginal for their uses. AIDS had not been a name plate at this time.

R & R after the meeting would give tours of their play space. Ok I am game. Down in the basement were lockers, jail cells, enema stations, X frame, much more. One of the devises I was intrigued by. It was a set of high top boots, bolted to a 2x6 with a eye hook on the opposite side of the boots. If your feet were laced in the boots, which were anchored to the 2x6, you couldnt stand because of the eye bolt. I had interest in this devise.

The then President of the Hell Fire club offered to "lace me in." Ok I try most anything, no really, I try most anything! I placed my feet in to the boots, the boots were laced up, halfway to my calf. Sitting on the ground he asked I raise my feet.

Now some description on this guy. I was a bit younger then, 6'2' 240LBS, 48" chest. 32" waist, fair amount of muscle. This guy was about 6'4" well built, broad chest, 52", powerful muscles, dressed in leather pants, combat boots, black sleeveless shirt with a leather vest with a bald head a a leather cap. You could physical see his bulging biceps.

So now, I am on the floor looking up at this guy, I suddenly realize that I cant get up and run, my feet are laced in the boots anchored to the 2x6, I am thinking what the fuck did I get myself into? Yes suddenly I get 2nd thoughts but think, ok there are tons of other people here. If anything happens, all I have to do is cry out....mommie come help me! I am sure tons of people would have come to watch me get face fucked.

By this time, a few other "boys" are interest in my predicament, they, yes now they, it has become sort of a party, raise my boot laced feet and hook the eye bolt into a hoist. They press a button, my feet are raised and eventually I am off the floor upside down. Ok, this is cool. The Pres keeps raising me until my eyes, upside down eyes are at their cock level.

Then el Presidento says to me, they do this to their newbies in the club. It is an initiation where by the person strapped in the boots get to service members until they are dry, in other words serious, very serious face fucking. They showed me that they could spin the victim. Oh Boy what fun!

Now really, I love sex and yes I have experimented with men, women, ts, most everything (no kids) that is legal, that could walk, and some in a wheel chair (consensual only) but had that been a group of Ts, I would have licked each and every one of them dry, until they couldn't come any more, then I would have asked for a fresh group!

Its not to say I have not experimented with men. I have, admittedly I want, enjoy Ts Cock!

I know there are a number of threads dealing with am I gay or not sucking a cock. Does it make a difference if it is a man's cock or Ts cock or cross dresser cock that sucking or getting fucked by one of them makes me gay and the others not.

I think it is all about preference. I like nylons, breast, corset on the cock that I suck or get fucked by. :wink:

Very interesting story ChicagoTbone. I liked it.

I'm a homophobe lol most homo-sapiens annoy me!

fuckin ell.. ive walked into a right puff convention 'ere...

go on then, let me toke on the pink pipe of ruth and Madam Palm and her 5 lovely daughters will help me knock one out

I wholeheartedly agree with this post!

A spin that I have noticed with the haters playing "label games" Saying things like "you are not a real TGirl you are just a faggot in a dress".

I thought that "TGirl" was a phrase *invented* to be non confrontational and generic - yet I see people on this board berating one another over what makes for a "real" TGirl and who has the "right" to call themselves a "TGirl" and who doesn't. I also see a number of people here who claim to basically know what are appropriate sexual tastes for *everyone* in the TG world and then try to enforce their standards of sexual taste on all of us. Typically, the "appropriate" standard is someone who is "passable" or "in transition" or has had surgery - something relatively hard core.

But the world has an infinite variety of tastes and no one has the right to define what is appropriate as far as taste goes. Some people might prefer a fem man, some a man dressed, others might prefer something completely feminine except that there is a penis between the legs.

To me "Hung Angels" implies some sort of a feminine presentation but with a dick. From there people should be allowed to be creative.

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Originally Posted by Tgirlhottie

I wholeheartedly agree with this post!

A spin that I have noticed with the haters playing "label games" Saying things like "you are not a real TGirl you are just a faggot in a dress".

I thought that "TGirl" was a phrase *invented* to be non confrontational and generic - yet I see people on this board berating one another over what makes for a "real" TGirl and who has the "right" to call themselves a "TGirl" and who doesn't. I also see a number of people here who claim to basically know what are appropriate sexual tastes for *everyone* in the TG world and then try to enforce their standards of sexual taste on all of us. Typically, the "appropriate" standard is someone who is "passable" or "in transition" or has had surgery - something relatively hard core.

But the world has an infinite variety of tastes and no one has the right to define what is appropriate as far as taste goes. Some people might prefer a fem man, some a man dressed, others might prefer something completely feminine except that there is a penis between the legs.

To me "Hung Angels" implies some sort of a feminine presentation but with a dick. From there people should be allowed to be creative.

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As long as no one is hurting anyone else, and sex is between consenting adults, I couldn't care less.

Being a TS is not necessarily a beauty contest. It has a lot more to do with making the choice and commitment to be yourself, regardless of how convenient that choice may or may not be.

Crossdressers are fine by me. I just can't relate to the ones who do it for masturbation purposes only. A man who jerks off in diapers is not a baby. I have no problem approaching a person with severe mental disabilities like a child, but I'm not baby-sitting some lonely truck driver with a bib and a raging hard-on. That is, unless he can afford my rates. ;)

Also, when a crossdresser has little or no regard for being passable (not shaving, not tucking in public, etc), they're being offensive to ALL women (including M2F TS) imo. If other people aren't offended, more power to them, but please don't tell me that I have to share that sentiment. There's a time and place for everything.

I love you sissyrachel. And I respect your point of view. I'm sorry you've been offended by the comments some members on this forum post. I wish there was more tolerance in this world for us all. I support your stance on this.

Bitterly, though, I have learnt that this is internet. It is anarchy to the nth degree. There are all points of view about transgender people on this forum. And people entering into this area of sexuality are at all different stages in their life journey. A lot of rookies, and even some of the veterans are growing in their perspectives on all kinds of issues.

Sometimes, this forum is a safe place to "vent", or to hypothesize. It is safer to post stupid thoughts here than to try them out on real people that you know in real life. This is not real life. Its internet.

Just an hour ago I posted on a thread ranting about lip collagen surgery. Afterwards, I realised that some of my comments might be taken as hurtful since the thread OP named names and focussed on one particular recipient of lip collagen enhancement. (Sorry, Kimber.)

In some ways I regret posting that comment. But next time I may think twice before saying something just because it is my opinion. Hopefully we all learn a little and grow as people through this forum experience.

PS: thanks for the link to your stories in literotica. I like that site and will check them out.

hypocrite's are here!

beware!