They did. Myth busted, as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanessabutterflygirl
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They did. Myth busted, as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanessabutterflygirl
soviets were the first people at space.
soviets were the first going around earth.
when they asked them why didn't you go to moon they anwser...
because its impossible:
1) the cosmic dust will cause death as soon as you get outside of magnetic field of earth.
2) the suits of that time wasn't anything more than just a suit to avoid cold and losing oxygent, just a simple suit of aluminium and a few other materials.
3) the control room of that time hadn't no more power than a today's computer. (can you send a space ship to space with just a computer notimes?)
4) why do they send any space ship now to the moon? they can't because they never did!!!
5) Soviets said bravo to NASA for what they have archive because nobody could do it. off course nobody couldn't that time nobody can't this time.
money is not the reason because the project it cost less that the money that congress gave to save USA banks.
to pitty that people, not even they don't want to hear the other opinion but they dont want to hear any other opinion at all.
I find it hilarious that most of you have NO IDEA (except what you've been TOLD) what the 60s were like, but feel confident in arguing what happened!!!
I hate to be repetitive, but I have colleagues who have pinged laser signals off the mirror arrays that astronauts have placed on the Moon. The mirrors are essential for this experiment to work. No mirrors, no "echo". How did the mirror arrays appear on the lunar landscape at the precise sites that NASA claims to have visited? The answer is simple. NASA put them there.
For me, that evidence alone pretty much nails the case closed (though there is of course loads of other evidence some of which contributors here have mentioned).
Of course not everything that goes into space goes to the moon, as Nintendo has pointed out. But only the fact that some things do can reasonably explain how all the different mirror arrays suddenly appeared on the lunar surface exactly where and exactly when NASA said they would.
It also true, as Nintendo asserts, that disbelievers in the manned moon missions are labeled as crackpots and their evidence is never considered. It’s also true that the patent offices around the world, with good reason, deny patents to all purveyors of perpetual motion machines without so much as glancing at the plans. Some things are just a waste of time and effort. On the other hand, I do believe Cardinal Bellarmine can be rightly criticized for refusing to look through Galileo’s telescope. I think a comparison of the behaviors of the world’s patent offices and Cardinal Bellarmine would make for an interesting discussion. One difference is the patent offices base their behavior on a well established principle known the second law of thermodynamics. Bellarmine was merely fearful of being deceived.
I think pushing aside the evidence of the mirrored arrays is a lot like Bellarmine refusing to peer into the eyepiece of Galileo’s telescope. There lot’s of evidence that the Sun is the dynamical center of the solar system. But the telescopic evidence was a clincher. The existence of mirror arrays on the Moon appearing exactly when and where NASA said they would appear is a clincher.
i dont think anyone has ever doubted that there were quite a few unmaned missions to the moon which is of course a perfectly valid explanation for the reflectors
iirc when apollo 11 swung into orbit some russian unmaned lander was already there
OK....There are MORONS running around this thread!!!
Well you got me, muhmuh: a consistent explanation is that rovers could’ve been responsible for the placement of the mirrors. It is not, however, the simplest explanation nor the one that coheres with the other facts mentioned by others in this thread. For one, it’s an explanation that requires an expensive and elaborate conspiracy involving not only astronauts but a hoard of mission specialists who have kept the secret after all these years.
Bellarmine got Galileo as well. Even if the Copernican system greatly simplifies the paths that planets take through the heavens, and even if it coheres with observational evidence, it’s still consistent that the Earth could be at the center of the Solar System and everything goes around it in circles with loopy epicycles.
The conspiracy theory requires that rover technology in the late sixties be such that a NASA technician can remotely scoop up soil samples, pick up rocks, take pictures from different locations and perspectives, and oh yes deploy a mirror array. The conspiracy theory requires the cooperation of the astronauts (how many were there altogether?). It requires the cooperation of the ground crews, or an elaborate scheme to keep them in the dark even though they’re the ones operating all the robotic controls. I’m not saying these difficulties can’t be overcome, or that they alone disprove the conspiracy theory. What I am saying is that these difficulties are the loopy epicycles that are required of a conspiracy theory.
We know there are mirrored arrays on the moon. Bellarmine would not have acknowledged that because he would have refused to ping them. We know the arrays appeared exactly on cue; i.e. when and where NASA said they would. Any honest account of humankind’s role in lunar history has to explain how they got there. The simplest explanation for the existence of the mirrors is the one given by NASA: the televised manned teams placed them there. Any other explanation has to contend with all the loopy epicycles.
BTW happy thanksgiving everyone.
wasnt all of that except the mirrors bit supposedly done in a studio?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
also why deploy it? all the lander has to do is get down right way up and you could mount the reflector on top of it... a great engineering solution very much unlike bicycle pants
youre making the mistake of seeing the mirrors as part of an entire web instead of as isolated events for which compared to the massive combined mercury gemini and apollo effort a unmaned lander is a much simpler explanationQuote:
The simplest explanation for the existence of the mirrors is the one given by NASA: the televised manned teams placed them there.
Will a moderator please close this thread. I can't put up with the idocracy any longer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RXrK...aynext_from=PL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU5Yy...132F02&index=5
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