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This is were self-deceit sets in. Because you will never give a guy who has some T-experience a fair chance. From the very beginning you will look for poor behaviour, just to satisfy your cliche of men into TS who see you just as objects.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Why that is I can only speculate, but that stance possibly stems from the fact you probably encounter men who know beforehand only when you work as an escort. Therefore, they indeed see you as an object.
Let me put it into lay-mans terms for you. If I met you and you had a prosthetic leg I wouldn't go out with you. If I met you, went out with you a few times and then found out, it wouldn't matter to me as much. If you had a prosthetic leg you wont be showing it off and telling people, they would treat you differently. Its sad but thats how the world works, you can either adapt to it or spend a lifetime trying to change something you cant.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX
Some guys, even on this board think its tricking unless the guy knows from the moment he goes "hey, you're hot" in a public place. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
There have been enough threads on this issue that I would go so far as to say these guys won't be changing their stances anytime soon.
If you went to dinner with a transsexual you would look around the restaurant to see if anyone clocks her. You would think twice about bringing her home to meet your parents, then probably decide that its not a good idea to chance it. You might care or you may not, but you would still be treating her differently. Its natural human behavior, thats why its best to tell someone when the time is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbf
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Originally Posted by KellyShore
See Kelly, there is a fundamental difference in between your philosophy, and Julie's.
here on this thread that was just recently made
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=29781
you said,
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When he asks me on a date, if we are just talking on the bar and on the phone I don't say anything. As soon as it turns to the romantic point of a 'date' I let him know.
However there has been times that I broke those rules and just told the guys straight out and by luck it worked out for me in a good way. However I got lucky and I know it.
You see,
That isn't quite Julie's "KARMA plan of action".
I agree... People are attracted to you as you are and as you see, some men would not be into it - That you will have to accept. Once the feelings are involved not only will he be let down but so will you.
If it works for you then great... More power to you...
For myself, I would like a guy who is proud of all I have accomplished, proud of me as a human not just a TS. If he is anyone worth giving my heart to then he will not treat me differently. But a TS must understand that she is NOT like anyone, especially a genetic female. You are yourself, unlike anyone else, you have gifts, talents, beauty... And if a man isn't willing to see passed your penis then that is his loss and your gain.
I don't like lying to people. Being a transsexual is a huge part of who I am, therefore I like to be honest with those I meet. I like that to be the base of all of my relationships, that being friends, family and eventually a man.
I don't know what it's like to be a woman to any other woman but to myself, so if you ask me... " What is it like to be a woman? " ... I trully do not know how to answer it. I just am...
Guys who meet me adore me as I am, and the ones that are willing to stick around and climb the mountain with me, those who have strength and a heart, compassion, understanding - Those are the guys I seek.
I hate lying to people
Hmm..well Kelly i think if your "interested" in a guy and you dont tell him within the first 24 hours then yes, its tricking..
If i spent all week talking to a girl and then she told me she was in prison for dismembering and eating people, well...Id kinda not want to talk to her.
Ive no time for girls who hide things anymore; I will respect you MUCH more if you tell me whats up early on.....Maybe im in the minority but i also know that im a damn good boyfriend.
And again....any girl that thinks a 100% "straight" guy is going to be truly interested in a TS is fooling themselves.....Im not gay but im definetly not straight either....theres some other classification for only being attracted to tgirls that look like girls.
I love how every troll comes out to say "be upfront with them". These are the same guys who post "keep your cock!!!' when a girl talks about getting SRS. 99.9 percent of them would deny knowing you if you ran into them in person and they were with their mother.
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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Gotta call BS on this one....Maybe its the circles you run in.
And yeah, im in the keep your cock camp, at least medical technology isnt the horrible butchery it is right now.
Well, also this kind of goes back to the larger issue that blossomed from the "Do T-girls like to be sucked off" thread.
There were posters chiming in when some of the ladies said they didn't like it at all with things like "that's sad," or "that makes no sense."
Essentially, it seems that they're missing the whole idea of what being TG is. I'm not TG, so please forgive me if I'm mischaracterizing here. As I understand it, the goal is not to live as a "chick with a dick," but to live as a woman.
And if Julie and Kelly or anyone else is living as a woman, there is absolutely no good reason whatsoever at the earliest stage of a relationship to share their transitioning status.
It's anatomy, not gender. If a woman had a really large clit, or inverted nipples, would she be required to divulge that within 3 conversations? Of course not.
As someone said above, there's not going to be one universal "right" way of doing things. But to try to tell someone else when they should share that kind of information is silly, especially when they have the day to day experience with peoples' reactions and predjudices.
And this is all completely seperate from the unfortunate danger issues.