In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by peggygee

I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.

I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.

I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.

They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.

Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.


HA please fill me in. :?:

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Hmm- maybe its the energy you projected?

I certainly have not been so lucky in my personal life as you. Dated a few size queens in disguise- which is always so dissapointing.

I'm quite happy to be a bottom in my personal life.
HA please fill me in.

But I am sure things have changed A LOT.

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Why do you think it was dissapointing because you could not live up to their expectations with your penis.

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The stuff you say on here makes you sound SERIOUSLY mentally challenged most of the time..I.E. not knowing the differenve between Spanish & Portugese and your generilizations about post op TS women.

It was dissapointing because I am not a top in my personal life- and I don't date dick hungry guys like you that want to suck and get fucked and are against ts having SRS.

If I wanted a size queen or to be a top- I would have simply stayed male and led a gay lifesyle.

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Allanah Star are you a legal american citizen or did you come over here on one of the Cuban boats? Are you also a tax payer?

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Originally Posted by werwt22

Some people just don't go beyond str8 up fucking. I know 35+ yr old women that have never sucked dick and claim they never plan on.

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Sounds like half the women in the midwest. :P


Anyhow, for me, I never got to have that wild sex filled younger days most folks might have gotten to have. Fuck, I did not even manage to even get a date till I was fucking 20....my high school years were miserable, I was unfortunate to not be able to get sexual till 24 or 25....and wanna have it all, you know? I want more than the straight, normal 2.3 kids, white picket fence, 30 year mortage, suv driving sex life most people end up having when one is older.

Sorta like how Micheal Jackson being as he is cause he really never had a childhood and never got to do the things a kid should have been doing when he was one. Same goes for me not having a teenagehood, and doing all the stuff a teenager should have done.....especially when it came to sexuality.

Guess me having been the sexual wallflower makes one into a veritable Quagmire wannabe. :?

I tried to leave this alone, but something keeps gnawing at me, so I guess it's time to squash some toes and piss people off.
Although I have the utmost respect for Peggy and Allanah, some of the comments they and other T-girls make show ridiculous ignorance. Peggy, you can live your whole life and never know the thoughts of your best friend, so to say none of your male friends were too interested in your cock is silly. Maybe they just never let you know that. You will never know. Never! As has been mentioned, the vibe you give off surely did not lend itself to guys who were cock-centric--- we tend to draw the people into our lives that we are tuned into, or so the professionals say.
It's getting old hearing "girls" disrespect guys who like their cocks. Very old. A "girl" who has a cock is just that--- a girl with a cock. Not a fag. Not a girl. Not a boy. Allanah, just because a guy likes your cock doesn't mean he'd like you as a boy, you know that. Your comment was ill-advised. Someone else said in another thread that "you almost want to introduce them to your brother"---- another stupid comment.
Because I'm pissed and tired of defending myself, I'll stop being PC. I DON'T LIKE FAGS! I'm not comfortable in gay bars. I don't support gay rights gay marriage or any gay agenda. (I'm not ANTI I'm just not PRO!).And I'm not homophobic---just because you're not fond of something, doesn't make you afraid of it. That's psycho-babble non-sense.
But I like T-girls--- beautiful girls with penises...yes penises. I hate to feel razor stubble on a girls face when cuddling, I hate broad shoulders, muscular bodies, deep voices. But I don't hate a girls cock. I won't apologize for that.
As much as guys you all hate are fixated on cock, you are fixated on it too, just negatively. There are so many other things that are masculine and define a man besides a penis, but y'all don't fixate on that. Is a guy acceptable that hates cock but is attracted to someones masculine jawline? Is it acceptable if a guy hates cock but thinks your unshaved Adams apple is cute? Is a guy more of a man's man if he shuns your cock,but doesn't mind that you sound like Darth Vader?
I and many guys like girls with cocks. That's why we're here. I appreciate them for what they ARE, not what they can become. To me it's foolish to have sex with someone, but say "eeeeww, I don't like that part of your body". If that's the case, have sex with a gender that doesn't have that body part---- it's simple.
I have sucked girls off, including Miss Starr, but I never asked to do any of them. Usually you get the "here, put your mouth on it" pleading from the girl. And that's definitely how bottoming happens. Yes I've done it. Never asked for it. Always gave in to incessant pleas. "You know you want to" they say. BTW, yes most were escorts, but the first was not. And the 2nd was an escort I really really liked and would've dated if I could've. Personally I get nothing out of it--- the thought of it is exciting.... the actual act is not. Painful, then numb. Prostate massage is not pleasure to me just makes me cum harder, although I can't feel the orgasm as much.
I don't consider myself gay, although I've done several things that society would term so. The thought of being with a guy makes me wanna puke, and if I can see the guy in you I'm not attracted. But unlike you I don't see guy just because I see cock. You have to look at the entire package.
Luckily, and obviously unbeknownst to you all, there are plenty of girls who have come to grips with who and what they are. I just spoke to a girl in Orlando, a close friend who has actually performed at one of Allanah's parties, about this very subject. She said when she was younger she hated her cock and wouldn't let guys touch it, but she realized she was only caving in to society's views of what a girl was. She now loves her cock and her balls, would never get rid of any of them, and you had better be paying attention to them if you're gonna have sex with her. It's insulting if you don't.
So there are many types of men and many types of T-girls. Everybody does not share your views on being trans. Please stop making your admirers ashamed for being one.

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Originally Posted by sucka4chix

I tried to leave this alone, but something keeps gnawing at me, so I guess it's time to squash some toes and piss people off.
Although I have the utmost respect for Peggy and Allanah, some of the comments they and other T-girls make show ridiculous ignorance. Peggy, you can live your whole life and never know the thoughts of your best friend, so to say none of your male friends were too interested in your cock is silly. Maybe they just never let you know that. You will never know. Never! As has been mentioned, the vibe you give off surely did not lend itself to guys who were cock-centric--- we tend to draw the people into our lives that we are tuned into, or so the professionals say.
It's getting old hearing "girls" disrespect guys who like their cocks. Very old. A "girl" who has a cock is just that--- a girl with a cock. Not a fag. Not a girl. Not a boy. Allanah, just because a guy likes your cock doesn't mean he'd like you as a boy, you know that. Your comment was ill-advised. Someone else said in another thread that "you almost want to introduce them to your brother"---- another stupid comment.
Because I'm pissed and tired of defending myself, I'll stop being PC. I DON'T LIKE FAGS! I'm not comfortable in gay bars. I don't support gay rights gay marriage or any gay agenda. (I'm not ANTI I'm just not PRO!).And I'm not homophobic---just because you're not fond of something, doesn't make you afraid of it. That's psycho-babble non-sense.
But I like T-girls--- beautiful girls with penises...yes penises. I hate to feel razor stubble on a girls face when cuddling, I hate broad shoulders, muscular bodies, deep voices. But I don't hate a girls cock. I won't apologize for that.
As much as guys you all hate are fixated on cock, you are fixated on it too, just negatively. There are so many other things that are masculine and define a man besides a penis, but y'all don't fixate on that. Is a guy acceptable that hates cock but is attracted to someones masculine jawline? Is it acceptable if a guy hates cock but thinks your unshaved Adams apple is cute? Is a guy more of a man's man if he shuns your cock,but doesn't mind that you sound like Darth Vader?
I and many guys like girls with cocks. That's why we're here. I appreciate them for what they ARE, not what they can become. To me it's foolish to have sex with someone, but say "eeeeww, I don't like that part of your body". If that's the case, have sex with a gender that doesn't have that body part---- it's simple.
I have sucked girls off, including Miss Starr, but I never asked to do any of them. Usually you get the "here, put your mouth on it" pleading from the girl. And that's definitely how bottoming happens. Yes I've done it. Never asked for it. Always gave in to incessant pleas. "You know you want to" they say. BTW, yes most were escorts, but the first was not. And the 2nd was an escort I really really liked and would've dated if I could've. Personally I get nothing out of it--- the thought of it is exciting.... the actual act is not. Painful, then numb. Prostate massage is not pleasure to me just makes me cum harder, although I can't feel the orgasm as much.
I don't consider myself gay, although I've done several things that society would term so. The thought of being with a guy makes me wanna puke, and if I can see the guy in you I'm not attracted. But unlike you I don't see guy just because I see cock. You have to look at the entire package.
Luckily, and obviously unbeknownst to you all, there are plenty of girls who have come to grips with who and what they are. I just spoke to a girl in Orlando, a close friend who has actually performed at one of Allanah's parties, about this very subject. She said when she was younger she hated her cock and wouldn't let guys touch it, but she realized she was only caving in to society's views of what a girl was. She now loves her cock and her balls, would never get rid of any of them, and you had better be paying attention to them if you're gonna have sex with her. It's insulting if you don't.
So there are many types of men and many types of T-girls. Everybody does not share your views on being trans. Please stop making your admirers ashamed for being one.

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The chick in Orlando cute? and if so, what's her number? :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by sucka4chix

I tried to leave this alone, but something keeps gnawing at me, so I guess it's time to squash some toes and piss people off.

Although I have the utmost respect for Peggy and Allanah, some of the comments they and other T-girls make show ridiculous ignorance. Peggy, you can live your whole life and never know the thoughts of your best friend, so to say none of your male friends were too interested in your cock is silly. Maybe they just never let you know that. You will never know. Never! As has been mentioned, the vibe you give off surely did not lend itself to guys who were cock-centric--- we tend to draw the people into our lives that we are tuned into, or so the professionals say.

It's getting old hearing "girls" disrespect guys who like their cocks. Very old. A "girl" who has a cock is just that--- a girl with a cock. Not a fag. Not a girl. Not a boy. Allanah, just because a guy likes your cock doesn't mean he'd like you as a boy, you know that. Your comment was ill-advised. Someone else said in another thread that "you almost want to introduce them to your brother"---- another stupid comment.

Because I'm pissed and tired of defending myself, I'll stop being PC. I DON'T LIKE FAGS! I'm not comfortable in gay bars. I don't support gay rights gay marriage or any gay agenda. (I'm not ANTI I'm just not PRO!).And I'm not homophobic---just because you're not fond of something, doesn't make you afraid of it. That's psycho-babble non-sense.
But I like T-girls--- beautiful girls with penises...yes penises. I hate to feel razor stubble on a girls face when cuddling, I hate broad shoulders, muscular bodies, deep voices. But I don't hate a girls cock. I won't apologize for that.

As much as guys you all hate are fixated on cock, you are fixated on it too, just negatively. There are so many other things that are masculine and define a man besides a penis, but y'all don't fixate on that. Is a guy acceptable that hates cock but is attracted to someones masculine jawline? Is it acceptable if a guy hates cock but thinks your unshaved Adams apple is cute? Is a guy more of a man's man if he shuns your cock,but doesn't mind that you sound like Darth Vader?

I and many guys like girls with cocks. That's why we're here. I appreciate them for what they ARE, not what they can become. To me it's foolish to have sex with someone, but say "eeeeww, I don't like that part of your body". If that's the case, have sex with a gender that doesn't have that body part---- it's simple.

I have sucked girls off, including Miss Starr, but I never asked to do any of them. Usually you get the "here, put your mouth on it" pleading from the girl. And that's definitely how bottoming happens. Yes I've done it. Never asked for it. Always gave in to incessant pleas. "You know you want to" they say. BTW, yes most were escorts, but the first was not. And the 2nd was an escort I really really liked and would've dated if I could've. Personally I get nothing out of it--- the thought of it is exciting.... the actual act is not. Painful, then numb. Prostate massage is not pleasure to me just makes me cum harder, although I can't feel the orgasm as much.

I don't consider myself gay, although I've done several things that society would term so. The thought of being with a guy makes me wanna puke, and if I can see the guy in you I'm not attracted. But unlike you I don't see guy just because I see cock. You have to look at the entire package.

Luckily, and obviously unbeknownst to you all, there are plenty of girls who have come to grips with who and what they are. I just spoke to a girl in Orlando, a close friend who has actually performed at one of Allanah's parties, about this very subject. She said when she was younger she hated her cock and wouldn't let guys touch it, but she realized she was only caving in to society's views of what a girl was. She now loves her cock and her balls, would never get rid of any of them, and you had better be paying attention to them if you're gonna have sex with her. It's insulting if you don't.

So there are many types of men and many types of T-girls. Everybody does not share your views on being trans. Please stop making your admirers ashamed for being one.

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An honest post, and by no means do I take umbrage or offense to it.

I would like to respond to a few of your points though.

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Peggy, you can live your whole life and never know the thoughts of your best friend, so to say none of your male friends were too interested in your cock is silly. Maybe they just never let you know that. You will never know. Never! As has been mentioned, the vibe you give off surely did not lend itself to guys who were cock-centric--- we tend to draw the people into our lives that we are tuned into, or so the professionals say.

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In relationships be they with my significant other, family or friends, I am a
proponent of discussing feelings. I like to know what is on the other
person's mind and heart. So for something as intimate as lovemaking I
definetely would communicate and elicit input on what pleases me and my
partner.

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I and many guys like girls with cocks. That's why we're here. I appreciate them for what they ARE, not what they can become.

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Luckily, and obviously unbeknownst to you all, there are plenty of girls who have come to grips with who and what they are.

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Please stop making your admirers ashamed for being one.

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Yes there are many women that are comfortable being non / pre op. And
there are many men that are attracted to them.

Yet there are many women that are not comfortable with their penis, and
that are taking steps to correct that situation.

Ultimately they do not seek nor particularly value men that are interested
in them for that attribute.

Conversely the 'so-called admirer' does not value the woman who wants
to or has made the ultimate transition - SRS.

There are of course men who are interested in women, no matter what
gender they were born in.

But for the women who lose their penises, they will find that they have
also lost the fickle affections of the admirer.

Peggy, thanks for the classy (as usual) response. It's still quite possible that someone would have wanted to "go there" with you, but they knew your attitude towards it and never tried, but you're probably right ---you knew them, I don't. If you never met one who deep down wasn't at least curious, I'd agree with Allanah that it was just luck. Whether it was good luck or bad luck is a matter of opinion.
I wasn't trying to blast anyone; just wanted to point out that the view of a few TSes, no matter how prominent, does not represent the entire group. I don't know if there is even a predominant view. I have met very few girls who don't like their equipment, but I'm still not ready to generalize.
I posted to this thread because it's frustrating to be attracted to a certain type of girl, knowing that if society knew you liked these girls you'd be ostracized AND on top of that be dissed by the very girls you're attracted to, simply because you're attracted to them! It's very confusing. Basically the signal you give off is "I want you to be attracted to me but you shouldn't be attracted to me, so since you are...I don't like you"
Also, I think you've confused a few things: sex and love and affection are 3 separate entities. You can have one or two without the other. LOVE is independent of what's between your legs.Sex is not! If we were dating and you had your SRS, If I loved you, I'd still love you. Would I still be SEXUALLY attracted to you???? That's the question. I submit that the guy who loses SEXUAL interest after SRS is not fickle; the one who doesn't is. The man who loses interest is simply interested in what he always has been. The man who doesn't (lose interest) is by definition fickle as his object of affection can change easily from ass to pussy to neo-pussy or whatever is lying next to him. It is not unreasonable for a guy to have problem with a girl having SRS. If it's something you do for you, not someone else, why do you expect someone not taking your walk to understand it? Should a guy who dates another guy be accepting when his mate wants to transition? Sure he can be supportive and even still love, but to EXPECT someone to just cater their libido to whatever form or gender you decide to take on is not only unreasonable but illogical. Pre-op to post-op is the same thing. We all understand, I think, that men need erections to perform intercourse. Most sane men aren't aroused simply because you're human; they're attracted to a smaller subset. So you like what you like and it doesn't change much. That's normal and nothing to be hated for.

Hi Peggy.....hope the Holiday season is a good one for you. This post is for you. I'm saying that because this is what I would say to only you in person and know that it will be unpopular here. I don't want to cause problems or argue about anything with people.

I'm not totally crazy about the way it was said but sucka makes some points.

I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.

That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.

There is also the issue of "the guys that are full of shit." Those are the ones that are worshipped by many TS girls because they are macho straight guys, that happened to "abandon" the notion of being with a GG because they happen to have met "the woman of their dreams" in a transsexual wrapper. How can this be?

The idea may suddenly appeal to them. And the taboo may drive their desire through the roof. But I'm not a kid here living in the closet, as many here know. The guys are NOW into Transsexuals. As inconvenient as that may be to someone's ego.

I'm also a total top. Really don't like the bottom AT ALL. But I do like every aspect of the TS body.

The debate over transsexualism often takes a MALE VS. FEMALE discourse. And often times the transitioning women become hyper-sensitive to the debate. They, due to society's ridiculous simplicity choose to be female and anything that hints male is met with disgust. And it baffles me that many TS women call guys that admire them faggots, cock worshippers, etc. but really believe their own boyfriend is some Macho Straight man in a steel jockstrap.

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. Everyone is entitled to their feelings. But admirer's, especially one's that don't hide their feelings are a bit closer to normality than TS women that hate guys that like their cocks. That's not right. On this board due to shout downs they are supreme judges, but in the real world, no one is going to say that the cock hating TS lover is any better than the cock loving TS lover.

And why torture yourself. A TS woman, a real one, one that works hard to dazzle the world with her looks and well-adjusted attitude is so rare. Guys can't find them. But GG's are everywhere. So do TS women really believe that these unsuspecting men are really 100% unsuspecting? I know two guys very well, that date TS girls, great ones, one here on board, and they both told me they've always liked TS women but their current girlfriends think they are the first. No one gets hurt. Or do they?

Then the other debate. The one about hating men that want to suck their cocks. Do these girls like anal sex? Do all GG girls like anal sex? Why is one act an act of a faggot and the other is not. If I don't fuck my GG girlfriend's ass is that wrong?

Point being is that let make the question more complex. An ass is not a vagina. They are different. I go out with GG's mostly to get to their vagina's. And guess what, they have an ass too. So unless I admit loving the complexity and beauty of a TS girl, what the fuck do I need her for? If I love her that's one reason. But are we being naive enough to think that there is only one single person in the world for us and we happened to find them? And if that hits the skids, is that it. Never settle down again?

A TS girl here called me because she was in town. She is beautiful. She can date anyone. I was flattered. We hung out at a restaurant, then a bar, all mainstream on the Vegas strip and you couldn't tell her from any of the other 350,000 visiting GG women. What was enlightening was that she told me it was nice to be out with a guy that "knows." No stress. And yet she was really jived by the fact we weren't going to drag shows or tranny bars or gay bars. And when I asked her wasn't she wanting to meet a "straight guy?" She's a smart girl. She said if they don't know, when they find out they are gone. If they find out it is usually within a day that they get you into bed. Meaning, he knew, he's turned on by it, no hesitation. He changed his entire life on a dime. No discussion.

Of course we'll hear that many are wined and dined by "straight men" after they find out. They never look at TS porn the whole time because even after they knew they continued to be "straight men." Well in accordance with the laws of nature I guess i'm not straight. But in accordance with the laws between man and woman, I'm the real deal. But I still can't figure out why TS girls should hate me because I like them. And I can't figure out why they want to hide from the notion of what they are?

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Originally Posted by peggygee

I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.

I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.

I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.

They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.

Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.

HA please fill me in. :?:

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A REAL MAN is always a MAN, he doesn't like the penis, what he likes is YOU as a WOMAN,
and nothing more or less than that. What we though find here, on this very site,
is up to 80% fagots, and that's another story. But he'll be ready to "swallow" your
p. just because of you, if he really loves you. Haven't you got that yet ??

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A REAL MAN is always a MAN, he doesn't like the penis, what he likes is YOU as a WOMAN,
and nothing more or less than that. What we though find here, on this very site,
is up to 80% fagots, and that's another story. But he'll be ready to "swallow" your
p. just because of you, if he really loves you. Haven't you got that yet ??

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I don't know you, so I can't tell if you're being serious, but if so that's hilarious. You're saying a real man would be willing to swallow cock just for her pleasure? So you're an altruistic sword swallower? You're sucking cocks to keep everyone else happy. That's quite generous. Are you sure that's not just a copout, this whole considerate partner thing :wink: :wink: .

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

A REAL MAN is always a MAN, he doesn't like the penis, what he likes is YOU as a WOMAN,
and nothing more or less than that. What we though find here, on this very site,
is up to 80% fagots, and that's another story. But he'll be ready to "swallow" your
p. just because of you, if he really loves you. Haven't you got that yet ??

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I don't know you, so I can't tell if you're being serious, but if so that's hilarious. You're saying a real man would be willing to swallow cock just for her pleasure? So you're an altruistic sword swallower? You're sucking cocks to keep everyone else happy. That's quite generous. Are you sure that's not just a copout, this whole considerate partner thing :wink: :wink: .

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