The term transsexual...why doesn't it apply to me?

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Originally Posted by whatsupwithat

Okay...once more...salient points:


i like transsexuals.

it is my sexuality.

i believe it is a bio/physiological issue.

ibelieve this issue isn't one of insecurity with me although i can see how one might presuppose that.

i live my life out and proud within the community.

currently the only terms used for guys like me are negative.

there no positive or medical term for people like me,

Thank you. :)

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I agree with you totally. On this forum, sometimes it's difficult to have a discussion without the name calling. I too am in a relationship with a trans-woman.
For years I battled my attraction and preference. It caused a ton of drama in my personal and professional life. I know I prefer trans-women. Once I stopped allowing societal conditioning to guide my life (we are all taught to view sexuality and gender in absolutes), life became a lot easier. Thanks for the post!!!

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Originally Posted by Luna555

Thank you Ecstatic! And I agree we are really hung up on genitalia.

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Well, of course, there are times when I rather enjoy being hung up on genitalia.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Tomfurbs

Here's a thought.

I personally do not think that anyone is totally straight or gay, and that labels never hold up to scrutiny.

Perhaps you should take comfort in the fact that your sexual orientation is undefinable... maybe it means you are actually just normal :) ....

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The quote above is close to the global view of what I believe. And I think most of us here understand how complex sexuality is. But that being said we often have to use the recognized society categories when making short statements about our sexuality. The simplest way to put it, you are heterosexual, with an attraction to a specific type of woman. That being said, it is not unusual because everyone is attracted to some type of physiological traits in their sexual partners. I personally believe that these attractions are biological in nature.

In the list of physical, plus emotional traits, that attracts people to others, some people are more exclusive in regards to certain traits than others are. Most people will compromise some traits in their top list but not others. Whatsupwithat, you’re heterosexual with exclusive attraction to a specific type of woman. Many others here are attracted to the same type of women you are, just not as exclusive about the same trait. So once again, I am saying that it is okay to say we are heterosexual when the simplest of explanation is needed.

I am defining Transsexual women as a specific type of woman. Those of us that are attracted to women know that they are a lot more than what is between their legs. Many in the general society may not agree, but we in this forum know that they are wrong. It is not always important to debate this aspect of the issue with everyone, who wants a simple identification of your sexuality. While they are important, the more complex defintions are only appropriate at certain times.

The last poster has an interesting perspective on this issue. I completely disagree with it but I find it interesting nonetheless. If you like transsexuals you are not a heterosexual that's attracted to a particular kind of woman. A transsexual is not a female plus a y chromosome and a penis and minus a vagina. If you like them you are a homosexual that is attracted to a particular type of man. A man that has enough feminine qualities in a correct enough combination to allow you to feel comfortable engaging in homosexual acts.

"But I'm not attracted to masculinity, I just like cock and asshole"

ok, you win, liking cock doesn't make you gay and sometimes female asshole just wont do.

Two exactly opposing views back to back. Interesting.

And thus the need for a term is hammered home, whatever psycho and/or bio scientific basis is settled on in the future.

Let's go back to the term transsexual for a moment. And although this may be a bit disingenuous, just throwing this out there, so, please, no one get into a tizzy...

Could not transsexuals and those like myself and others share this term? I would not be A transsexual as I would never call myself one. But couldn't I and others like me BE transsexual, thus lining up with all of the other -sexual terms out there?

For example, see the implied difference in meaning between the two:

"I am A transsexual."

"I am transsexual."

Food for discussion.

In the meantime, are there any scientific researchers on this board that feel like taking on a new project? :)

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Originally Posted by Luna555

So this all to much to think about and too many aspects to consider. But honestly I can understand someone being solely attracted to transsexuals.

Yes I am a woman, this is how I identify myself. Yes I am a person, a complete human being with feelings, intelligence and everything else that makes a human a human. Even though I will always identify as being a woman and nothign more I cannot deny that I am sooooooooo different than a natal female. And natal females are soooooo different than me. My story will always be different, I cant talk abotu my past and say when I was a little girl or anything like that, even though I belive I have always been a girl that is not how society labled me. There for I have a "dimention" that natal females will never have.

I think, and I am not saying this is what he is saying but what I think he is saying. There needs to be a word for people solely attracted to transsexuals. People must also not forget that there is a differance between fetish and sexual orientation. Soem men might only be into transsexual and see it as a fetish. But there are men who are not into transsexuals as a fetish. I am a person as I stated before, I have a different dimmention to me and I feel like this is why some men might be attracted to transsexuals solely. Not because we have or have had penisus but because of who we are. I will always see the world a bit different and from a different aspect than a GG, why because I wasnt born with a vagina and because I wasnt raised as one. I will always be different and I cant deny that.

Also though please Tranny Chasers dont try to identify as a label you are not. If you are just into transsexual because its a fetish then stay with that. Dont start identifying as being into transsexuals because of what I just stated above. I woudl hate to see a word be created and tehn all of a sudden guys that are into transsexuals only as a fetish or for sex make it out to be looked as a bad word!


SOrry for the mispellings. When ever I start talking and have words in my head that want to get out, I cant help but try to go fast tehre fore causeing so many misspellings.

If you are going to attack me. Whatever. I will not explain myself to someone that is attacking me. If you have any question ask in an intellectual level PLEASE!

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Hey! Thank you for understanding, for seeing this from an objective point of view. And I totally agree on the fetishistic males co-opting whatever the term may be...that wouldn't be a good thing. But like you said in the message you left me, it's pretty easy to tell who is what when it comes to the men in this community.

Love you, hon! :)

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Originally Posted by yodajazz

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Originally Posted by Tomfurbs

Here's a thought.

I personally do not think that anyone is totally straight or gay, and that labels never hold up to scrutiny.

Perhaps you should take comfort in the fact that your sexual orientation is undefinable... maybe it means you are actually just normal :) ....

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The quote above is close to the global view of what I believe. And I think most of us here understand how complex sexuality is. But that being said we often have to use the recognized society categories when making short statements about our sexuality. The simplest way to put it, you are heterosexual, with an attraction to a specific type of woman. That being said, it is not unusual because everyone is attracted to some type of physiological traits in their sexual partners. I personally believe that these attractions are biological in nature.

In the list of physical, plus emotional traits, that attracts people to others, some people are more exclusive in regards to certain traits than others are. Most people will compromise some traits in their top list but not others. Whatsupwithat, you’re heterosexual with exclusive attraction to a specific type of woman. Many others here are attracted to the same type of women you are, just not as exclusive about the same trait. So once again, I am saying that it is okay to say we are heterosexual when the simplest of explanation is needed.

I am defining Transsexual women as a specific type of woman. Those of us that are attracted to women know that they are a lot more than what is between their legs. Many in the general society may not agree, but we in this forum know that they are wrong. It is not always important to debate this aspect of the issue with everyone, who wants a simple identification of your sexuality. While they are important, the more complex defintions are only appropriate at certain times.

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Yoda, a penis is not just a physiological trait like the eyes, nose, mouth or ass. It is the genitalia of a biological man. Transsexual women have this genitalia and although they´re women, this "little" fact doesn´t make one who is attracted to them heterosexual at all. Heterosexuality may be mostly part of our sexual passions since those who are attracted to GG´s and T-girls aren´t attracted to men but thinking that you´re straight isn´t the end solution.

I don´t want to laugh at Smashy´s point of view on this topic but I can´t agree with this ridiculous idea that he identifies transsexual women as "feminine men". I think we need a TS to clear this.

... and I always forget to type this: what is with those who fall in love with a TS? This isn´t a fetish.

you can laugh at me if you want. but it won't change the fact that biology is a science, male and female are clearly defined terms that have meaning, and a man cannot be a woman and vice-versa.

heterosexuality and homosexuality are also clearly defined and when you direct sexual desire toward individuals of the same sex you are engaged in homosexuality.

ce n'est pas très poli mais c'est vrai

This terms may have been defined in times when SRS for example seemed to be impossible. Biology is science and T-girls weren´t born as women, so this part of the theme tells that they aren´t bio-girls but the same science has changed a lot today. I´m sure post-op T-girls will be able to get kids in the next 10 pr 20 years, blind people will get "new eyes" and our fate will depend on technology. This is called singularity and we´re in the middle of it. If you define a TS woman as a man, you mean they´re mentally sick and need to be cured. I don´t think they´re sick.