Look at the entirety of Simon's post history towards me, Kelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Think for yourself.
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Look at the entirety of Simon's post history towards me, Kelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Think for yourself.
I didn't think anything of the sort. You stated that I fantasized about your life. I picked one portion out of it that I was fairly sure you had stated before (that you escorted) and recently to highlight that I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbhaven
My sincere apologies that I was incorrect about that. I remembered incorrectly and failed to do the homework before I wrote it and just chose to rely on my memory instead.
I never said you were beneath me and never implied it either. In fact, I stated plainly that I've been there done that and don't have a problem with it. I just don't "fantasize" about living that lifestyle again. I could care less if people escort to make a living or supplement their incomes. I don't need to and don't fantasize about doing it again.
I do I think you are loco and pulling at hairs and putting words in transsexuals mouths.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
You were accusing me about age/passibility etc when I never even brought that up.
Psychological reflecting on me and other transsexuals.
I am shocked you write for a magazine or will be involved in anything to do with activism.
If that's the case I'm scared...
Feeling/Belief/Thoughts etc all the same thing.
Thoughts of suicide/feeling suicidal you are labeled as suicidal are they not?
I don't think anyone just BELIEVES right off the bat or know what's going on at first. They have feelings..sparks of thoughts...the BELIEF of who you are comes later when you find it.
So again girl potato potatoe
OK, now we're getting to the truth of the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbhaven
See, here is the real incongruity.
You SAY that Transsexual is "in the mind".
Yet your ACTIONS AND LACK OF RESPECT for someone says otherwise. If it is "in the mind" as you SAY, then why should the outward appearance make any difference at all? Why should being called a male or female name matter at all?
Your actions and your definition do not mesh. That is where I have an issue.
Can I see that you've made choices that I haven't made as far as "transition" goes? Sure.
Do I wish that I had all the knowledge available to me now when I was a child so I could have made similar decisions? Sure. I did not.
Do I regret any of the decisions, personally or professionally that I've made over the course of my life regarding transitioning? Not really. I'm completely happy with who I am and where I am in life. I've got a secure job, live well, have a close circle of friends, and sleep well at night.
Do I think you, making your decisions, and me making mine, makes you MORE Transsexual than me, as you obviously do (i.e. - have "earned" more of the title)? Emphatically, NO. It just means you made different choices along the way based upon your own experiences.
That is all. again... pretty simple.
You think that feeling and believing is the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
You think that a thought equals a belief or a feeling?
Oh, ok. Tell that to your husband next time you see him. Just say, I feel that I love you. He'll know what you mean. Or just say, I had a thought that I love you.
Sheesh.
Anyway, I do have to go. It has stopped snowing here and I must make my way home. Y'all can have the last words and the last laugh as you two cuddle up and regale yourselves of how you gave a beatdown to Krissy.
Thanks for the conversation / discussion to both of you. I don't agree with either of you entirely but I'm glad there are people out there like yourselves who care enough about the issues to talk them over.
I wish you both the best in your lives and all the happiness it can bring you. Be well and enjoy your nights.
Most of this post is self plagarized and adapted from ones I did starting back in 2007 and 7 years later, we are no closer to peace and understanding on the issue. If it was beating a dead horse before, it's battering its fossilized skeleton now. I swore the last time this never ending debate heated up that I'd stay clear of the inevitable further flaming, but if I have 9 lives, maybe this topic is worth risking getting scorched to death yet one more time.
In Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll wrote
"When I use a word...it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less....The question is...which is to be master -- that's all."
That may be ok for Humpty Dumpty and those with their own agendas, but the rest of us have actual dictionaries for more consistency and clarity.
Transgender: the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex, independent of sexual orientation.
Transsexualism: A consistently strong desire to change one's anatomical gender.
Transsexuals may dress and behave as individuals of the opposite sex, and may choose to use hormones or surgery to develop desired secondary sex characteristics.
Notice here that it is about desire. Not actions. It says may, not has to or does or must. There is nothing about always. Being a transsexual is about how you feel, not what you do or cannot do in pursuit of those feelings.
No amount of surgery or hormones makes someone a transsexual and no shortfall of them prevents anyone from being one. Some people on this board, and elsewhere, for their own reasons, want to make actual physical transition or some sort of economic surrender or social sacrifice part of the the price of admission but its not part of the real terms of membership.
To be sure, Transsexualism is distinct from transvestism (cross-dressing) and does not always indicate a change in the individual's sexual preference.
Transvestism is the practice of dressing and acting in a style or manner traditionally associated with the opposite sex.
Cross-dressing is wearing clothing and other accoutrements commonly associated with the opposite sex within a particular society.
Potato Potatoe really.
Danny partridge, a formerly active board member had a more sardonic set of definitions.
transsexual: a term used by persons born as males who dress and/or act as females to describe themselves.
cross dresser: a term used by those above to denigrate others who they don't think look as feminine as they do.
transvestite: a term used by people not in the scene to describe everyone above.
Sadly, his definitions are closer to what many seem to follow in practice. I think which really should only go with the actual definitions. Which means we have to remember crossdressing is a verb not an adjective. To decribe or define someone in this community solely by their outer actions is wrong. If a person does not desire to change their gender, then their crossdressing may ultimately be just be a kink or a fantasy. Same if someone physically transitions for other less legitimate reasons. Neither is a sincere expression of gender. Actions don't define it. Other people's opinions don't either. Its up to the individual. They can do so by their words, or their actions or both. Or neither. Not every person who "crossdresses" is a TS. But some certainly are. Not every one who "transitions" is a TS. Some certainly are not.
When you try to say someone is "just a crossdresser" or "part time" or call them a dude, or use male pronouns or otherwise suggest they are less worthy of respect or shelter under the transgender umbrella, you are trying to use terminology to demean rather than define and to exclude rather than explain. words for their meanness rather than their meaning.
There is an old joke that goes like this:
You know the difference between a crossdresser and a transsexual?
about 2 years.
Every transsexual has been through a period of doubt and despair and discovery. Some found their path through the looking glass into this wonderland right away, some wandered around lost for a while, and some others took a wrong turn on a dead end road. As Carroll also said "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.” But its the jouney, not the route and not the destination that defines us and to minimize or belittle other travellers is wrong or counterproductive. You never get traction towards tolerance and acceptance by throwing others under the bus, all that ever really does is to mess up the drive train that a unified community can be towards progress and make the movement that the bus represents unattractive for other groups to want to ride with in support and solidarity.
Peace
FK
We are all simply Human.
Ill not waste time over words and labels because they only matter if you think they matter.
That is a perfectly well thought out rational and sensible dissertation on transsexualism, cross dressing, and gender identity disorder. And I don't have a problem with the theories contained there in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felicia Katt
Here is where it becomes problematic however, for the practical mechanics required to live in the real world something more is needed to define a transsexualism then a person's say so about their own desires. I'm sorry but if you follow that definition to it's natural conclusion then what the Christian Conservatives have been saying all along becomes fact, a man would in fact be able to simply say he has a persistent desire to be female to label himself as a transsexual. That is certainly not an acceptable position to anybody.
So to legally define what a transsexual is we need more then an individual's say so. What do we need? Well for years the standard has been, and still is at least for GRS or an Orchiectomy, that you have to have lived as a woman full time for a specified period of time, and you must have a letter from a certified therapist that designates you as a person diagnosed with GID. Most states still require completion of GRS to change your gender designation on your ID. In fact hormones usually require a letter from a therapist as well. And in some cases HRT is required before GRS.
Now those standards are starting to change and we are seeing a great many efforts to reduce the burden of proof for transsexuals and thus the financial burden required to transition. I applaud those initiatives within reasonable limits. I still believe therapy should be a requirement for GRS or an Orchi, but I think the need for a year or more of therapy and counseling before HRT is a bit much to ask. 12 months on HRT didn't move the needle enough physically for me that it was completely irreversible. And the emotional adjustment was more then adequate to determine that I was on the right path for myself. However other people's mileage may vary and I accept that HRT is an imperfect science at this time. The point is that it is becoming easier to start transition and that is a good thing. However transition is not a static condition nor is it simply dreaming about the future. It is a series of steps necessary to bring our outer shell in to alignment with our inner core.
Ultimately this isn't about lowering others or raising myself up, but about how we are perceived in the wider community and which rights are going to be granted to whom. And that is the other area where a legal definition for transsexual is needed. Being an undiagnosed, untransitioned part time transsexual is simply not going to work when it comes to defining the rights and privileges of being a fully recognized transsexual. The simple ugly truth is that at some point we all have to make a restroom choice and live with it because society is not going to let us bounce back and forth between the two, and quite frankly they shouldn't have to. And if you want to be a lady then you need to act like one all the time, not just when it is convenient to you. Because when it comes to gender you can be one or the other but not both at least where society is concerned.
In short if you are an undiagnosed untransitioned transsexual you are free to call yourself whatever you want. You are free to live your life however you choose, but don't expect to live in both worlds and share in the same rights and privileges granted to transitioning or transitioned transsexuals. You can't have your cake and eat it too. And it's insulting for a person to continue to enjoy the security and privilege of a male identity while simultaneously trying to claim the identity of a transsexual woman. It belittles the sacrifice and achievement of transition, and it makes a mockery of the concept of transsexualism.
Someone's different way of expressing their gender is insulting, belittling, and a mockery to yours. Thank goodness no one would ever consider that even remotely smug, self righteousness, or superior. LOL
And by all means, let's include the bathroom freak out standard in the discussion. Because a fearful ignorant restroom reaction is always the best driver for social policy and because no women or "fully recognized transsexuals" ever misbehave in bathrooms and there are no gender neutral laws against lewd or indecent behavior in them.
People should distinguish themselves by their own character and behavior not by trying to define or more accurately demean others. Put more simply, do (and define) unto others as you would have them do (and define) unto you.
Peace
FK
The bathroom test is relevant in real life.
For years I managed or supervised large numbers of females and males at work and giving them a suitable working environment was important.
If Human Relations Dept informed me that one of my staff was transsexual, I'd be happy to support said person in using the correct bathroom.
If HRD informed me that one of my staff was a cross-dresser, I would not be supportive of them using what I see as the wrong bathroom.
It might be different in clubs where both types of people mix, but I am concerned with general life, not highly specialised situations. The bathroom test applies in other areas of life e.g. public areas frequented by people under 18. (Please note, that comment has nothing to do with paedophiles.)
That brings us to what constitutes 'transsexual'. Krissy goes for 'true belief', which I can't buy. Atheists, Jews, Moslems, Christians etc. can't all be right, despite their 'true belief'.
MsBehavin's check is better. It certainly can't just be individual assertion, because that reminds me of the tale of the mental asylum with two Jesus's at the same time. It requires some form of independent, external verification. What is reasonable in this respect is problematic.
This thread went through a stage of whether transsexual people would make progress faster (in gaining equality of rights) if they acted alone, separate from cross-dressers, separate from other groups under the transgender umbrella, or whether these groups should join forces.
Your opinion on this, please?
Look Msbhaven...
I'm not going to include your last post as a quote this time and instead just address you directly. I have done nothing more than hold you accountable TO YOUR OWN STATED definition(s) of the word, "Transsexual", which was first THIS:
"Transsexual is a state of mind."
Then, when I pressed on that as being so completely and utterly vague as to include just about anyone, YOU changed it to THIS:
"Transsexualism is an incongruity between what the brain identifies itself as and the physical body that contains said brain."
Then, I pressed back on that and gave you ample time to reword or clarify that, which you chose not to do. Thus this stays as your latest self-stated definition of Transsexual.
You would think that every actual Transsexual on this board would have an issue with you defining Transsexualism (and by implication, Transsexuals) simply as an "incongruity" which is to say, a mistake or a twisting (this is a noun here) of something normal and/or once beautiful.
Currently, now, you say, in relation to the simple definitions that Felicia posted (italics mine):
"That is a perfectly well thought out rational and sensible dissertation on transsexualism, cross dressing, and gender identity disorder. And I don't have a problem with the theories contained there in."
And then you go on to completely contradict your second sentence by placing all sorts of modifiers on that definition in your next three paragraphs. You are all over the map... a so-called "expert", with years of "experience" who cannot even pick, relate, and stay with one definition.
Kelly asked me for my definition... I gave it. It is clear. I have no need to revise it, change it, or alter it. And, I'll defend it.
So far, all you've done is go along with the latest, greatest... whatever is convenient... whatever fits what you're saying right then and there. Basically you've now said, the "right" (not the term itself - this is an important distinction) to use the word "Transsexual" as a self-identification is based upon a series of physical and legal changes that must be tangibly concrete in order to be recognized.
Even at that, if you had cared to read my introductory thread, you would know that I then fall into (AGAIN) your own stated terms (I have been clinically diagnosed, and am in the process of making legal changes, and have notified my employer of an upcoming transitional status, and etc.). Still, you won't give me the decency and instead, basically say that I, and many others in similar circumstances, are an "insult" to the larger TS community.
Classy.
Look Kelly...
You said this:
"I am shocked you write for a magazine or will be involved in anything to do with activism. If that's the case I'm scared..."
You know what scares me. Hearing this on the radio (this was an interview on a fairly well-known station between one of our very own TS Pornstars and the host... I'm paraphrasing since I don't remember the exact quote).
Host: So, you're "Transsexual"... Can you tell our listeners that that means?
TS Pornstar: *...silence...* Well, I have a dick.
Host: *laughter* Wait, wait, wait! Joe Blow (I don't remember his name but the host was referring to one of the producers) over here has a dick. Does that make him Transsexual? (another round of laughter).
TS Pornstar: Well, does he have tits? Because I have tits and a dick!
Host: *laughter* OK, well, that settles that.
Then the conversation went on. Now, you've got a TS Pornstar with a national platform to actually give a serious answer to a question and maybe help clear the issue up for some people. Instead, she came off looking uneducated, unprepared, and I would argue, did far more "damage" to any "cause" than some silly CD being arrested for stealing panties and splashed all over the news.
So, Kelly... be scared. But be scared of your own, who are ill-prepared and (mostly) cannot relate or argue the point of what Transsexual is and means. This is my point. Know the issue. Educate yourself on the issue. Know how to explain the issue. Those on this board that I've engaged in have failed to do so and I'm fairly certain, if it was them sitting in that chair being asked by that host, "Explain to us what Transsexual means.", would come off looking and sounding equally foolish.
Look, I've walked in academic circles my whole life. I'm smart, with a GPA that would make you say, "Wait, I thought 4.0 was the top you could get." and other stupid crap and titles that I won't even mention. I can tell you this. The academic world is ruthless and it will chew you up and spit you out if you come out swinging without the tools and logic to back up your arguments. I will challenge the academics and leave the award ceremonies, media outlets, and radio gigs (which I think are no less important) to those who shine there. I do not. My strengths lie in breaking down a discourse into pure logic and tackling issues on that basis. This is the world of academia and one that I am well accustomed to engaging in.
I have those tools and I have that logic. So, yes... I will put them to use to fight for a cause that I think needs addressing and I'll be equally fair and damning to the Transsexual community and the Transgender community for the bullshit that they both employ.
I've already sent letters out to several academic magazines, journals, and papers and have taken personal steps to create a foundation to fund this journey. I've increased by almost 300% my social media presence over the last year, and I plan on becoming more and more vocal throughout 2014 and getting more and more involved in any instance where I see and issue relating to either community that needs to be addressed, starting first at the local level here in Oregon and branching out from there.
I don't want the title activist and don't really care to be recognized for it. I would just as soon get the ball rolling and then hand it off to someone else and just fund it privately and quietly. But, until that happens, I'll do what I can while I have the means and resources (thanks to my male privilege) to do it.
So... guess who else is "scared"? Me.
I realize I'm going to take a FUCKING DUMP TRUCK of crap from both sides once I start releasing papers, articles, and videos. I'm willing to take it because I think the conversation is worth having... and "winnable" at this time in our lives here on Earth. This is a fight we can now win. I'm sure of it. But we all need help and we need to unify the community or else the numbers just aren't there to accomplish anything.
Anyway... those two posts were my last in this thread.
Again, thank you to both Kelly and Msbhaven, and also Felicia for the input and conversation.
See y'all around!
You do not know what a transsexual is!
Not many transsexuals I know that is an actual one who transitioned later in life had the BELIEF they were female!
Many didn't even know what was going on!
They had a thoughts and feelings something was wrong or they were not right.
Some think they are just gay at first while others think they just like dressing as women
The belief isn't right off the bat for many transsexuals...
Some deny it to themselves or block it out
I knew from a young age I didn't even know I wasn't a female like my niece till my mom was giving us both a bath and she obviously had something different than me!
Just because a transsexual goes through a confusion period doesn't make them a gay make or a crossdresser! It just took them time to find themselves! Many are too scared to move down the road to transition and dressing up here and there is an outlet!
I really don't get you...if anything crossdressing/gay male was a phase till they found the right answers and truth for them!
You dear hold too tight onto your crossdresser past which I get, because some older transitioners even though they they are trans-women will hold on to their male side for comfort. I mean after you lived and loved a certain way for years it takes some unlearning and piecing the woman you are into the puzzle as well! It's not always cut and dry!
This is why you sound so out of touch when it comes to being a transsexual to me.
Just like you were trying to pick a difference in what Msbhaven and I said.
She stated it's what is going on upstairs, but she doesn't feel someone is a transsexual unless they live the life of one 24/7 etc.
Where as I working with early transitioners and speaking with "men" at groups and conventions that were able to steal a few hours away to talk about their imprisonment they felt either due to having a family, coming from a family with money who would be outraged, or just not ready to transition were crying in tears how they wished they could just be normal! That these "thoughts" would go away! Their so called "belief" you talk about was a belief in the life they built as a MAN..but their thoughts and workings upstairs kept telling them "You are not a man!", "You are living a lie!", and other mental torture they complained about! This is why I say what I do and feel how I feel on you are never a crossdresser nor are these "men" I came across are men! They are deep down women! Tortured women!
Is that really your reasoning most ts pornstars aren't trying to be advocates they are just trying to make themselves more famous they don't care how they phrase things as long as it brings attention to their website etc
You can't explain what a transsexual is sweety you just speak supposed "intellectual thoughts"
That's a lot diff than actually knowing what DYSPHORIA actually feels like!
Oh so your plan and world domination Krissy is to tell everyone we are crossdressers
WONDERFUL
Felicia I never said surgery or hormones make you a transsexualQuote:
Originally Posted by Felicia Katt
I STATED several times it doesn't having known drag queens and crossdressers with breast and face surgeries who look better than I do buy still identify as either straight/gay men!
I have repeated myself it's the upstairs that determines who is and isn't a transsexual!
And that two years joke is offensive! I am a woman cause of what is going on upstairs!
Many transsexuals don't even opt for any kind of surgery and feel hormones is enough EVERYONES dysphoria is different.
This is why we have psychologist to make sure we are on the right path, but of course there are ones who bypass all this ordering hormones online and going to Thailand and other countries who don't need written letters to get srs. Some find out they didn't have gender dysphoria at all but body dysphoria and they regret the decision and sometimes kill themselves. Sometimes too unversed psychologist diagnose girls wrong too! They slip through the cracks, but the standards and regulations are there for a reason. Personally I feel some transsexuals I met were misdiagnosed or had body dysphoria.
I think you can grasp your true self at any age, any height, and any body type. I also feel it's necessary for any transsexual to transition to put themselves at peace! It's funny how some hormones, name change, and surgeries can fix how we feel.
Edited by me.
Well, I guess I have to post once more.Quote:
Originally Posted by iagodelgado
iagodelgado:
Look, when you try to quote someone, you need to either disclose that you are only using a partial quote OR quote the entirety of what they said.
That allows the reader to know that you've made a change in the context or that it is a partial quote. That is just common courtesy when you're debating someone in writing. So do me the common courtesy, and if you say, "...Krissy goes for..." and then you quote TWO WORDS of a longer definition completely out of context... make it known that you are doing so.
I never said that Transsexual is just a "true belief"... my definition states a WHOLE lot more than that and does not argue the point of "RIGHT or WRONG" AT ALL, which you're trying to inject into it with your religious listings. It is a completely irrelevant point.
As to your point about unification. Start a new thread. Lay out your case and I'll engage you there. This thread is toast as it is now being said emphatically that my whole goal is to turn the entire world into crossdressing fetishists.
I think so yes, Tgirl just has a nice ring to it to me, pun intended.
Yup. That's my goal. Despite me saying at least 10 times now, "Crossdressers are not all Transsexual"... that is all that gets taken from this entire conversation. Krissy wants to turn the world into crossdressers.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Kelly:
Let's see who is more confused here.
FIRST
You fail to grasp the rather simple difference between "ARE" (always, equals, etc.) and "CAN BE". I've never said "ARE". I've said, "can be." THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE AND ONE THAT YOU DO NOT ALLOW FOR.
SECOND
You've stated emphatically now (slightly paraphrasing because I'm too lazy to get the exact quote - context has not been changed however):
"Crossdressers are NEVER Transsexual."
"Drag Queens CAN BE Transsexual."
Anyone with half a brain realizes the inherent disparity between these two statements. Some Crossdressers are Drag Queens and some Drag Queens are Crossdressers... that is pretty much indisputable.
You then threw sexuality into the mix as if that makes a difference:
"Crossdressers are straight men." (again, pretty much a direct quote from you).
No Kelly, Dear:
Crossdressers are MOSTLY made up of straight men, but can also be gay men, bisexual men, ...all sorts of men-men. The same can be said of Drag Queens. Besides the fact that one is a job and one is fetish, the two terms are basically, crudely interchangeable (although wholly unrelated). And, sexual orientation has nothing to do with Transsexualism at all so putting that into the mix is at best, a weak argument.
Your whole argument for "Drag Queens CAN BE Transsexual" is your own coping mechanism to deal with your past because you do not want the term "crossdresser" associated with you presently. Doing so would blow apart your entire argument. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
In this very thread, you've admitted to being a Drag Queen at one stage of your life; and now, claiming the title of Transsexual, you must allow for that possibility or else you are simply a "Crossdresser who became Transsexual".
This isn't hard to see.
So who is more confused?
A. The person who can define the terms without changing them (ME)
B. The person who must continually change the terms to suit their present needs (YOU)?
The answer is obvious and if you don't see that, fine.
I'm now completely done with this thread so continue to spout of your nonsense, and say that I've said things I've never said, and drip your cloying "honey", "dear", sweetie"...
Your argument is dumb, Kelly. It is illogical, contradicts itself, and damaging to your supposed larger activist goal.
Put you on Piers Morgan and he wouldn't need any help being an ass or mocking the TG/TS community... you'd do the work completely and utterly for him.
Krissy you said a transsexual can be a crossdresser point blank..the same as saying a transsexual can be a gay man or a straight man.
The oldest transitioner I know was 76 years old when she had srs she felt she could finally be herself that her children were raised and grandchildren.
She said to me Kelly you know I knew 50 years ago what I was I wore women things for comfort here and there, but I would never consider myself a crossdresser! I said you know what Lorie nor would I! It pained her she was waiting for my approval to say or no say she was. Lorie is a beautiful woman today and happy!
See unlike you I have actually spoken to real transsexuals with real experiences and thoughts. You have text books and the internet for your guide Krissy!
Drag QUEEN is a JOB! I did drag after I transitioned! I transitioned at 12 years old! It was an outlet to make money and to put my dancing skills of 12 years to work! I also enjoyed doing pageants I wanted to be a Miss Continental which has loads of transsexuals! Carmen Carrera transsexual! Rupauls Drag Race! I was never a gay man dressing up or was I a crossdresser! Transsexual performers prefer showgirl over drag queen! You sound so idiotic!
Illogical lol peoples real life feelings and thoughts actual trans-women are ILLOGICAL.. you are joke!
damn you took my ring piece.. and made it your own??!!!! lol xQuote:
Originally Posted by breakingbad14
Krissy let me name TRANSSEXUALS WHO DO DRAG...IT'S A LIVING
Candis Cayne, Carmen Carrera, Mimi Marks, TS PORNSTAR WENDY WILLIAMS, TS PORNSTAR Michelle Austin, Erica Andrews, and the list goes on and on!!
It has nothing to do with being a "crossdresser"
GEEZUS...
lol I did, it's my ring piece now ;) xxQuote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
CAN BE, Kelly, CAN BE. I cannot make that more clear. AND, it is YOU who injected sexual orientation into this conversation... I NEVER DID and NEVER WOULD. I've only refuted your own lunacy with your "Crossdressers are NEVER Transsexual but Drag Queens CAN BE Transsexual" lines. Sexual Orientation has nothing to do with the topics of Transsexual, CD/TV, ETC. NOTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
CAN BE doesn't mean ALWAYS ARE... I really do fail to see how you cannot grasp this easily grasped different.
Your anecdotes are heartwarming. Irrelevant and insignificant to the topic at hand... but so, so heartwarming. You are such a good person to take your time to visit and befriend some lowly, crossdressers and old-age transitioners. Kudos to you. Guess what, I have a Black friend so I cannot possibly be racist... ever heard that line before?
You're totally correct Kelly. I have never EVER, EVER spoken with an actual Transsexual, CD/TV, or even a person face to face. I just hide out in my basement and eat nachos.
Kelly, I rarely do this but I simply can't resist anymore.
Not only are your points dumb, which I've been saying to this point.
YOU are, in fact, dumb. I'll apologize for that in 3...2...1...
Kelly, I'm sorry I called you dumb. It was a moment of weakness. But you are.
No sweety you areQuote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
Thinking drag queens are only gay/bi/straight men
There are transsexuals who do it hell there are even Females and post op trans-women who do it Candi Stratton being the most famous!
You are unequipped and not educated enough on transsexuals!
Nice Kelly... drop your names in the hopes of bringing them to your rescue because you are FLAILING and FLOUNDERING in your own circle of stupid reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
OK, Kelly, I will ask you this then... since you fail to grasp the point at all.
(Can = Does the possibility exist, either imagined or in real life...)
Can Crossdressers be Drag Queens too? YES / NO
Can Drag Queens be Crossdressers too? YES / NO
If you answer anything but "Yes" to either of those questions, your own delusional thinking is made inherently clear. The two are basic terms that ANYONE, with a basic knowledge of the two would agree, overlap.
Bring me ONE... JUST ONE person who will state, in writing that the terms do not (as in NEVER) overlap and cite some actual data or evidence to prove the point and again... I'll leave this board and never return.
I'm waiting.
Fucking Hell...Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Where did I say that "Drag Queens are JUST... X,Y,Z." ?
I said they CAN BE those things... and left it open with the "men-men" word which meant (because last time I checked, "men-men" wasn't a thing) you can add more and more terms to the list as needed.
Kelly... you're being dumb. I cannot look at this any other way now. You cannot read a simple statement of "CAN BE" and draw the correct conclusion that it is not a closed statement.
YOU ARE BEING DUMB. PERIOD. I'm through. For reals this time. I simply can't debate or discuss this with you further since you are just too dumb to understand or grasp simple distinctions between words.
Have fun and enjoy the free reign you have to call me whatever and answer however you please in this thread. Take it as a win for yourself.
You are offensive, uninformed, and childish!
Drag queens can be more than just men!
Candi Stratton a post op trans woman is a drag performer
There are female drag performers
There are celebrity impersonators the list goes on!
Those people I mentioned weren't crossdressers! Crossdressers don't think they aren't men!
Who cares how old a transitioner is they are still transsexuals!
You are an idiot
You said I was a crossdresser and ashamed of being a drag queen in my part go read!Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
I transitioned at 12 dumb dumb
Allow me to show you..
My history is there oh wait I did crossdress once when I did the turn about shoe for gay pride fundraising event I put on a fake mustache and hoodie and jeans and did a eminen song..my history is online I was never a crossdresser
ENOUGH.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Are you dyslexic? I said the EXACT opposite of what you say I did.
I said you were DRAG QUEEN formerly, and presently, (I never said "ASHAMED" either) did not want to be associated with being a CROSSDRESSER.
Fucking Hell, Kelly... you can't even quote someone correctly. So you go ahead and read.
Box of rocks, Kelly. Box.of.rocks.
This depends on the women. If she is okay with people calling her a tgirl, shemale, or tranny then it's fine. However, it is not fine to call someone that if he or she dislike the term.
It's not different than how some blacks react to the word Nigger. Some blacks are cool with other blacks and rarely other people from different racial groups to call them a Nigger. Personally, I take offense to anyone regardless of their race when they call me a Nigger.
I don't do shows anymore dumb dumb so I am not a drag performer any more
Krissy you are an idiot
I don't need to quote you I print screened what you said