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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
mmmhhh-hmmmmmm...........
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
mmmhhh-hmmmmmm...........
Even if that were so, and there are arguments on both sides, none of this explains the straight downward descent of the towers, only why the structure was weakened. I want to know why the buildings were weakened enough all the way to the lower floors so that the building collapsed instead of toppled. I'm not a structural engineer, but I know how it looks. I also don't like a lot of the accessory shadiness on the part of those who 'should have known' it was coming because they stood the most to gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
Not to mention the precarious relationship between the CIA and 'Al-Qaeda' since the days of Iran/Contra. 'Al-Qaeda' being in quotes, of course, because it means simply The Base, referring to the database that the CIA kept on their own foreign operatives.
Means, motive, and opportunity? Plenty to go around. I don't profess that any of this is a smoking gun. I'm just disappointed that more people don't question the government's official story.
I remember that fire. What a sad story. Denis Leary's brother was killed. I had met Denis a few months before that while he was filming Monument Ave in Eastie and remembered thinking he was a complete loon, but he sprung forth from that tragedy as a leader and got it done for the families left behind providing a somewhat happy ending to a tragic event.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
YouTube - WTC 7 - Pull It By Larry SilversteinQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
Thanks a lot Fred! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
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Even if that were so?
It is so....Steel starts to fail at 1200 degrees. An average house fire quickly reaches 1100 degrees. 3000 gallons of jet fuel does what to steal?
I mean it was hot enough that rather than take their chances, people were jumping 90 stories down. 90 stories was a better option than staying....Is that insane or what?
It's funny how you just dismiss that so you can believe your theories. Put hundreds of trillions of pound falling down on trillions of pounds of steal, cement, load. The bulk of the structure.. the weight was all in the middle of the building... the sides did little to nothing to support the building.
I went down to ground zero 3 weeks after 9-11. Do you know that the weight and everything pulverized just about everything. I mean, with all the stuff in the buildings you'd think they would find computer parts and phones and everything. They found...little to nothing.
You should do some research and learn about building construction before you make comments like that...
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
they made what decision? To pull what? the guys out of the building?
Im sorry but telling the fire department to pull it... means to pull their operations out ... as he said because they couldnt contain the fires.
The fire department doesnt demolition buildings... so that's the only thing he could mean.
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
I just find it difficult to believe that a structure that complex would fall so easily from an impact so high up. I don't buy the so-called 'pancake theory' and many witnesses reported hearing explosions from the lower floors. I'm sorry, but to my laymen's eye, it looked a LOT like this:
YouTube - Landmark Implosion
YouTube - Stoners Watch Aladdin Hotel Implosion
YouTube - Everglades Hotel Implosion
Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm right. I just think that everything about this event is still suspect and that people should be more critical of the things that they're told by officials. In fact, IMO the book should never be closed on catastrophes such as this.
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How could Silverstein pull firefighters that weren't there? Moreover, he admitted to giving the order to pull the building, not the non-existent FDNY operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
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You are entitled to believe what ever nonsense you want. You dont buy the 'pancake theory'? If you took the building you showed in the videos and put them on top of another 60 floors.. it would come right down...
Witnesses heard explosions in a fire scene? HAHAHA... Bella, I hear explosions in about 90% of the fires I go to. Electric panels explode, fire compressors explode. The people inside the towers heard what sounded like explosions but it was people jumping.
...and you mean the people screaming and running for their lives were coherent enough to say where and when they heard explosions.. or the dead people told you that heard explosions? hahahahaha
YOUR LAYMANS EYES... Exactly. Too funny. You'll believe anything that goes against the government.
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
You should really go back and listen to the video that you posted. Make sure that you have the volume turned up. HE DIDNT ADMIT TO GIVING ANY ORDER... GO BACK AND LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS. I'll SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE....HERE IS WHAT HE SAYS:
"I remember getting a call from the...ahhhh.... fire department commander telling me that they weren’t sure that they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said you know we’ve had such terrible lose of life, may be the smartest thing to do is just pull it. Ahhhh, THEY made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
It says "THEY MADE THAT DECISION"
What do your "layman's ears" think of that?
By the way.. it was Denis Leary's cousin. Jeremy Lucey that got killed in Worcester.
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Wow. You're better at nitpicking then me. Bully for you! :Bowdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
And there's nothing wrong with questioning your government. In fact many people find it patriotic.
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Im not nitpicking. You're telling me something this guy said... and he didnt say that. Its not being picking its telling the truth.
Sad thing is, people will just read your comments and believe them without watching the video. Thats how conspiracy BS starts.
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Iranian-American businessman Farid Seif boards international flight at Houston with a Glock accidentally stored in his computer bag. It's never discovered. So, what next?
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded...ry?id=12412458Quote:
"It's just impossible to miss it, you know. I mean, this is not a small gun," Seif told ABC News. "How can you miss it? You cannot miss it."
But the TSA did miss it, and despite what most people believe about the painstaking effort to screen airline passengers and their luggage before they enter the terminal, it was not that unusual...
According to one report, undercover TSA agents testing security at a Newark airport terminal on one day in 2006 found that TSA screeners failed to detect concealed bombs and guns 20 out of 22 times. A 2007 government audit leaked to USA Today revealed that undercover agents were successful slipping simulated explosives and bomb parts through Los Angeles's LAX airport in 50 out of 70 attempts, and at Chicago's O'Hare airport agents made 75 attempts and succeeded in getting through undetected 45 times.
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Originally Posted by scroller
Even for a government agency, the TSA is so profoundly incompetent and so staffed entirely with losers and jerks, it boggles the mind.
If you pay borderline minimum wage to TSA inspectors, you get what you pay for.
You want former baggage packers at the local grocery store to be the last line of defense for airline travel, that's all on TSA, not the poor stiffs collecting a check.
Nuff Said ??
Washington Post -- Almost everything the TSA ever bought in the past was untested, didn't work, and ultimately had to be junked, says the GAO (Congress' highly-regarded Government Accountability Office auditors):
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The Transportation Security Administration spent about $30 million on devices that puffed air on travelers to "sniff" them out for explosives residue. Those machines ended up in warehouses, removed from airports, abandoned as impractical.
The massive push to fix airport security in the United States after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, led to a gold rush in technology contracts for an industry that mushroomed almost overnight. Since it was founded in 2001, the TSA has spent roughly $14 billion in more than 20,900 transactions with dozens of contractors...
Exactly. The TSA makes shit up as they go along. This is not about security, this is about money, power and toying with people. The new procedures are bullshit. Even if they were safety-nets, which they are not, what is to stop a terrorist from boarding a plane empty handed and using brawns and hands to take over the plane? Sure, sometimes crew and passengers would stop them but not always. Same with the possible crude weapons one could attain while in the terminal. And what about the attacks that could happen from outside the airport or at other buildings? Want to stop terrorism? Maybe join the rest of the world and monitor behavior at the airport and not treat everyone as a known terrorist. Legally investigate and stop terrorist plots before they reach the zero hour BUT the dipshits at the TSA, their employers and their goosestepping fans do not approve. Well, fuck that. Freedom from harassment, violation and persecution > Alleged safetyQuote:
Originally Posted by scroller