Fucking Black Men!

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Originally Posted by deee757

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I love Allen Iverson's game, but there's no point in re-interpretting what he meant when he used the term 'fag'.

Only white suburban kids drop the word 'fag' all the time on each other when they don't mean to say that someone is gay.

Most Black men, when they use the word faggot, it means either you suck dick or take it up the ass.

Allen Iverson has a cousin I believe who's gay that Iverson has known his entire life, but has problems with his lifestyle.

The hip-hop/rap community is one of the most homophobic groups anywhere, and some of the hardest, thugging Negroes on the mike are big time on the DL.

Go figure.

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Thats not true, you see 757 in my name, that is the tidewater area of Virginia where Iverson is from, like myself. In our environment, lets say me and you wanted to get at the same girl, so you tell this girl that I have a girl friend, so u get the girl. When i tell somebody else what u did they will respond "thats some gay stuff there" sexuality has nothing to do with it. is our way of describing some coward type of actions

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Also in Chicago and New York Dee. I know exactly what your saying.
ex. He went to the cops? That some faggot ass shit right there.

Then you have the statement "No Homo"
Ex. Man that's a nice looking shirt, no homo.
That's said so the other person won't assume your homosexual or hitting on them

Deee757 and jhill, I stand corrected, maybe it's a generational thing.

See I grew up listening to groups like Brand Nubian and those dudes have serious issues with homos, for real.

They didn't use the term the way some do liberally nowadays.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Deee757 and jhill, I stand corrected, maybe it's a generational thing.

See I grew up listening to groups like Brand Nubian and those dudes have serious issues with homos, for real.

They didn't use the term the way some do liberally nowadays.

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I know what you mean too Gio. I think it changed with the times. When I listen to a lot of late 80's early 90's rap I hear a lot of homophobic lyrics.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I like you, Hara_Juku Tgirl, for the most part :), but sometimes you state your opinions in such broad sweeping generalizations that others miss a very important point you're trying to make IMO.

Hara_Juku, I feel that you've had the very unfortunate experience of being associated/been around some really ignorant Black folks, but you should recognize they are but a small sample and should not be used to extrapolate what Black people think as a whole.

I will agree, because I'm not TG, and most are merely referencing their own experiences, that TGs experience more verbal abuse than any group in public, and I'm not surprised if most of it comes from Black women.

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That maybe so, but granted as it were..I still go out and see black men and still am friends with alot of black girls. My first bf when moving here to the USA was black. It doesn't really bother me about skin color what bothers me is the fact that and let me emphasize for clarity - that a few/some black people tend to be tactless and too outspoken even when one wasn't really asking their opinions about being transgendered passing judgment on anyone for their own amusement without hardly looking at themselves for their own faults and shortcomings. Like doing that is really fruitful. Not only does that hurt but these has driven other tg's to have low self esteem/self worth and disfunctional or worst to suicide.

I don't think one should be too quick and call someone a racist because she stated an opinion based on her experience/s like me or Vanessa. No one can ever dispute those horrible experiences because it's not their experiences to begin with. That's all. If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

It's just tiring hearing people size you up or call you a hater because you happen to be different - transgendered, gay or lesbian or when you have a strong opinion about something which are formed and based from one's own life experiences.

~Kisses.

HTG

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Originally Posted by fitz207

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

@ jjhill & dee757- i mean it was a harmless topic, even if you dont hold back on pcness but use tact when replying. All this prison talk and whos racist for not fucking black guys like u drink water is nuts.

We all have preferences. I agree that black guys as a whole are more closeted due to a more homophobic, and like vanessa said pages earlier but got ignored because of the race war vs Hara (who love black Guys. Trust me), Black guys lack respect in the streets and are quick to pull the "well ur still a man" card on a girl. Black guys are like Geminis often in saying one thing, and doing another thing when noones looking.

Who gets poked more is noones business cuz there is no winner other that whoever enjoys themselves the most while spurring their haters. Anything after that is moot.

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More stereotyping. :roll:

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If you say so.
I stand by my statement. I have as of yet been disproved.

this thread is ridiculous lol, people get so defensive.

I here u baby, A simple question about fuckin, turned into a monster. This thread is way much.

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

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:shock: :shock: That sounds like ghetto culture Hara. But i never an educated black person who acts like violent.

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I like you, Hara_Juku Tgirl, for the most part :), but sometimes you state your opinions in such broad sweeping generalizations that others miss a very important point you're trying to make IMO.

Hara_Juku, I feel that you've had the very unfortunate experience of being associated/been around some really ignorant Black folks, but you should recognize they are but a small sample and should not be used to extrapolate what Black people think as a whole.

I will agree, because I'm not TG, and most are merely referencing their own experiences, that TGs experience more verbal abuse than any group in public, and I'm not surprised if most of it comes from Black women.

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That maybe so, but granted as it were..I still go out and see black men and still am friends with alot of black girls. My first bf when moving here to the USA was black. It doesn't really bother me about skin color what bothers me is the fact that and let me emphasize for clarity - that a few/some black people tend to be tactless and too outspoken even when one wasn't really asking their opinions about being transgendered passing judgment on anyone for their own amusement without hardly looking at themselves for their own faults and shortcomings. Like doing that is really fruitful. Not only does that hurt but these has driven other tg's to have low self esteem/self worth and disfunctional or worst to suicide.

I don't think one should be too quick and call someone a racist because she stated an opinion based on her experience/s like me or Vanessa. No one can ever dispute those horrible experiences because it's not their experiences to begin with. That's all. If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

It's just tiring hearing people size you up or call you a hater because you happen to be different - transgendered, gay or lesbian or when you have a strong opinion about something which are formed and based from one's own life experiences.

~Kisses.

HTG

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And there it is, when you have to go through your "black friends" spill, you know its an issue. I have never in my life had to justify my stance on race by recalling how many white friends i have.

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Originally Posted by deee757

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I like you, Hara_Juku Tgirl, for the most part :), but sometimes you state your opinions in such broad sweeping generalizations that others miss a very important point you're trying to make IMO.

Hara_Juku, I feel that you've had the very unfortunate experience of being associated/been around some really ignorant Black folks, but you should recognize they are but a small sample and should not be used to extrapolate what Black people think as a whole.

I will agree, because I'm not TG, and most are merely referencing their own experiences, that TGs experience more verbal abuse than any group in public, and I'm not surprised if most of it comes from Black women.

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That maybe so, but granted as it were..I still go out and see black men and still am friends with alot of black girls. My first bf when moving here to the USA was black. It doesn't really bother me about skin color what bothers me is the fact that and let me emphasize for clarity - that a few/some black people tend to be tactless and too outspoken even when one wasn't really asking their opinions about being transgendered passing judgment on anyone for their own amusement without hardly looking at themselves for their own faults and shortcomings. Like doing that is really fruitful. Not only does that hurt but these has driven other tg's to have low self esteem/self worth and disfunctional or worst to suicide.

I don't think one should be too quick and call someone a racist because she stated an opinion based on her experience/s like me or Vanessa. No one can ever dispute those horrible experiences because it's not their experiences to begin with. That's all. If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

It's just tiring hearing people size you up or call you a hater because you happen to be different - transgendered, gay or lesbian or when you have a strong opinion about something which are formed and based from one's own life experiences.

~Kisses.

HTG

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And there it is, when you have to go through your "black friends" spill, you know its an issue. I have never in my life had to justify my stance on race by recalling how many white friends i have.

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I reiterate Hara ain't racist

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

1. because it's common knowledge that majority of black folks are religious. And where does God, religion and homosexuality i.e. lesbianism, transgenderism came together in agreement? Never.

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I agree with this to a point. But this really has nothing to with being black, but Christianity. How many white evangelical or Catholic's agree with gay marriage? Not many. But where is gay community when this group bashes the gay and TS community?

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

2. because like Vanessa, when I was in my early stages of transitioning - I too have experienced being treated badly i.e. verbally abused, publicly ridiculed, looked down upon, made feel less of a person, physically assaulted just for being tg. etc. by both black guys and girls. And I didn't even do anything to them.

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Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community. So let me ask you something. Is ok for a black person to hold bad feelings against whites and some Asian groups for treating them the same way you say blacks have treated you? If a black person at this forum complained about how bad they have been treated a lot of you would tell the black person to just "get over it" or "stop being so sensitive"

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

But I guess being that you're NOT tg yourself you cannot even begin to comprehend how horrible those experiences were for many of us.

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You're right I'm not a TG. I'm not black either. Even though the gay and TG community has faced a tremendous amount of bigotry. I think it pales in comparison to hate and bigotry that many blacks face on a daily basis.

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Originally Posted by RubyTS

this thread is ridiculous lol, people get so defensive.

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Everybody gets sensitive when people start making ignorant generalizations. Like a lot TG would get if someone starts a thread about "TG only care about shopping and money". Think about it.

it goes to the motivation of the girl, if she is vers then the guy any guy would be more prone to giving it a try. If you have a guy especially a black guy that has never been with a T-Girl before then he is not going to be willing to give up the ass unless he can return the favor.

Just for clarity, a person can be racist and date people outside of their race. Especially have sex, I guarantee if the price was right, those girls who say they don't sleep with this race or that race would do it if the money was good. In my undergrad days, I lived in the same dormitory as a racist southern that was open about it. Everyone knew that this guy was racist, but that didn't stop him for liking or dating latin women. Need another example...look at slavery.

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Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

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Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug

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Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

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Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug

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You mean Native Americans? lol j/p j/p

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Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

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Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug

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You mean Native Americans? lol j/p j/p

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Originally Posted by fitz207

Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

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Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug

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Yes that's true.

Bottom line, any escort weather it be TS, GG, or male that has an ad talking about professionalism and offering a service, than says they don't see a certain race of people because of their "preference" is a racist. Your offering a service to certain races of people, but not to others. If you were a legitimate business you would be up to an giraffes neck in discrimination law suites. Dating is one thing, everybody has the right to choose who that want to date. But when u offer a service but excuse certain people, than you are discriminating against people based on their race.

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Originally Posted by RubyTS

this thread is ridiculous lol, people get so defensive.

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Everybody gets sensitive when people start making ignorant generalizations. Like a lot TG would get if someone starts a thread about "TG only care about shopping and money". Think about it.

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your right fitz, I was wrong for thinking this forum was the last place a race would be judged based off stereotypes, generalizations, biasness, and personal experiences that was caused by a few individuals.

I guess I could of ignored it like everyone else but as was stated earlier. This something I'm very passionate about. Plus it coincides with what I'm getting my M.S in so....

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Originally Posted by RubyTS

this thread is ridiculous lol, people get so defensive.

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Everybody gets sensitive when people start making ignorant generalizations. Like a lot TG would get if someone starts a thread about "TG only care about shopping and money". Think about it.

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your right fitz, I was wrong for thinking this forum was the last place a race would be judged based off stereotypes, generalizations, biasness, and personal experiences that was caused by a few individuals.

I guess I could of ignored it like everyone else but like was stated, this something I'm very passionate about. Plus it coincides with what I'm getting my M.S in so....

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But that's why I like this forum, and I think more of these discussions should occur. I think race relations run sour when we act like race does not exist and it is not a factor. At least hear people have the chance to try to intellectualize their racist view points. But like i said before, i dont get offended. If u think imma Virginia porch monkey because im black than lets discuss it. lol

On point, LOL

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I like you, Hara_Juku Tgirl, for the most part :), but sometimes you state your opinions in such broad sweeping generalizations that others miss a very important point you're trying to make IMO.

Hara_Juku, I feel that you've had the very unfortunate experience of being associated/been around some really ignorant Black folks, but you should recognize they are but a small sample and should not be used to extrapolate what Black people think as a whole.

I will agree, because I'm not TG, and most are merely referencing their own experiences, that TGs experience more verbal abuse than any group in public, and I'm not surprised if most of it comes from Black women.

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That maybe so, but granted as it were..I still go out and see black men and still am friends with alot of black girls. My first bf when moving here to the USA was black. It doesn't really bother me about skin color what bothers me is the fact that and let me emphasize for clarity - that a few/some black people tend to be tactless and too outspoken even when one wasn't really asking their opinions about being transgendered passing judgment on anyone for their own amusement without hardly looking at themselves for their own faults and shortcomings. Like doing that is really fruitful. Not only does that hurt but these has driven other tg's to have low self esteem/self worth and disfunctional or worst to suicide.

I don't think one should be too quick and call someone a racist because she stated an opinion based on her experience/s like me or Vanessa. No one can ever dispute those horrible experiences because it's not their experiences to begin with. That's all. If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

It's just tiring hearing people size you up or call you a hater because you happen to be different - transgendered, gay or lesbian or when you have a strong opinion about something which are formed and based from one's own life experiences.

~Kisses.

HTG

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And there it is, when you have to go through your "black friends" spill, you know its an issue. I have never in my life had to justify my stance on race by recalling how many white friends i have.

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I reiterate Hara ain't racist

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Racist and Ignorant are totally different. It appears one is rearing its ugly head.

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@ jjhill & dee757- i mean it was a harmless topic, even if you dont hold back on pcness but use tact when replying. All this prison talk and whos racist for not fucking black guys like u drink water is nuts.

We all have preferences. I agree that black guys as a whole are more closeted due to a more homophobic, and like vanessa said pages earlier but got ignored because of the race war vs Hara (who love black Guys. Trust me), Black guys lack respect in the streets and are quick to pull the "well ur still a man" card on a girl. Black guys are like Geminis often in saying one thing, and doing another thing when noones looking.

Who gets poked more is noones business cuz there is no winner other that whoever enjoys themselves the most while spurring their haters. Anything after that is moot.

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More stereotyping. :roll:

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If you say so.
I stand by my statement. I have as of yet been disproved.

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Unless you have met literally thousands of black men you cannot make this statement. It's racist and stereotyping. What kind of person believes some random fact until it's disproved? That makes no sense. So I can believe the Milky Way Galaxy is made of actual Milky Way candy bars until someone disproves it? Brilliant scientific method there mate. How about I just stereo type and say all TS girls are money hungry sluts that just want to get with someone to pay their bills, etc. I have not met all TS girls so saying this is ignorant just as your statement is.

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

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i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

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Isn't that why most people argue?

Not very many people argue thinking they're wrong.

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Originally Posted by RubyTS

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

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What is there to disprove? Sure, people can share their stories and experiences, but when someone says "all black people are this," or "most black people are that," they are making generalizations about an entire race based on their very limited experiences.

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

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how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

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Oh boy, where to begin?

You make a lot of assumptions about the men who've replied on this thread.

Neither you or I know what the men on HA do in the private lives.

"Bring the Black out?" I can guess what that means, but why don't you enlighten us.

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how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

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Those would be ignorant black people.

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@ jjhill & dee757- i mean it was a harmless topic, even if you dont hold back on pcness but use tact when replying. All this prison talk and whos racist for not fucking black guys like u drink water is nuts.

We all have preferences. I agree that black guys as a whole are more closeted due to a more homophobic, and like vanessa said pages earlier but got ignored because of the race war vs Hara (who love black Guys. Trust me), Black guys lack respect in the streets and are quick to pull the "well ur still a man" card on a girl. Black guys are like Geminis often in saying one thing, and doing another thing when noones looking.

Who gets poked more is noones business cuz there is no winner other that whoever enjoys themselves the most while spurring their haters. Anything after that is moot.

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More stereotyping. :roll:

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If you say so.
I stand by my statement. I have as of yet been disproved.

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Unless you have met literally thousands of black men you cannot make this statement. It's racist and stereotyping. What kind of person believes some random fact until it's disproved? That makes no sense. So I can believe the Milky Way Galaxy is made of actual Milky Way candy bars until someone disproves it? Brilliant scientific method there mate. How about I just stereo type and say all TS girls are money hungry sluts that just want to get with someone to pay their bills, etc. I have not met all TS girls so saying this is ignorant just as your statement is.

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Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.

and haze is black so there u have it! u guys dont see it because u are not their target

Everyone have different experiences, that's what it boils down too. I'm from one of the worst suburbs in a America. At one time, my high school averaged 4 deaths a yr. With all that being said, we had individuals that were homosexuals, lesbians, and transgendered. Not one time could I remember them being made fun of. Matter of fact I had gym with an individual in the early stages of transitioning. The only reason she was made fun of was because the gym teacher liked her. So I mean, I guess it's different for everybody. So when I hear statements like Blacks are the biggest homophobes I have to disagree based off my experience.

Ruby, you have no idea what you are talking about or who your agreeing with. I can't even understand what you wrote on the last page, it was one long run-on sentence that made no sense. Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to. HAHA ridiculous. It hasn't been proven or disproven, it's an ignorant claim that has no actual fact to it. So what are you talking about you don't see anyone disproving anything just posting experiences? By posting experiences we're disproving her generalizations.

Not to bright, are you.

thats a first.... ive been called a lot of things but not bright is new to the list. Thanx!

mr 24 posts telling me i dont know who im talking to or what im talking about... smh. Dude if u dont understand me, then mayyybe ur not so bright urself

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Ruby, you have no idea what you are talking about or who your agreeing with. I can't even understand what you wrote on the last page, it was one long run-on sentence that made no sense. Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to. HAHA ridiculous. It hasn't been proven or disproven, it's an ignorant claim that has no actual fact to it. So what are you talking about you don't see anyone disproving anything just posting experiences? By posting experiences we're disproving her generalizations.

Not to bright, are you.

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Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to.
Correction: <3 4sarah- In a bit of a hurry
Fucking idiot

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Originally Posted by RubyTS

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

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Ruby, at least feel me on this..... If you go into the areas where u live and they "bring the black out", You can not make this a representative of an entire race. This is your experience, with a group of people who happen to be black. I know the media shows u other wise, but we are a very diverse race just like any other. Black culture is not some giant living in the mountains, its very diverse.

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Ruby, you have no idea what you are talking about or who your agreeing with. I can't even understand what you wrote on the last page, it was one long run-on sentence that made no sense. Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to. HAHA ridiculous. It hasn't been proven or disproven, it's an ignorant claim that has no actual fact to it. So what are you talking about you don't see anyone disproving anything just posting experiences? By posting experiences we're disproving her generalizations.

Not to bright, are you.

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Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to.
Correction: Your English and grammar IS terrible therefore you are very ignorant. You have no idea who you are talking to...
Fucking idiot

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Fixed that for you. :P

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and haze is black so there u have it! u guys dont see it because u are not their target

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I lived in a housing project type of environment, and if you came through, you would have been called a man. I also lived in a middle class neighborhood, and you would have been called a man there too. I own a home in a neighborhood in which i rent out, and u can walk down the street and they will not bother you. The area where I live now is half black and half white and if you are a TS or Gay, no one bothers you. Is all in where you are, like i said before, we are just as diverse as any other group

JohnnyWalkerblacklabel should get a HA award for that word association thread. I am addicted